335m gt vs. 9800m gs

New tech vs old tech. Based on my benchmarks the 9800gs pulls ahead of the 335m but it gets really hot; about 100C at full load. Games are unplayabl unless I open up the bottom cover and put a cooler with the fan right underneath it. As for playing wow, I can play on ultra with 50+ fps in a dungeon; not overclocked. Btw this 9800m gs is in my asus g50vt-x5 with a p7350 c2d At 2.13ghz. Now we can get the i5 to at least 2.2 and oc the 335m with msi afterburner and it should surpass the g50? Some people are complaining how they can't play wow on ultra but I don't see why not. Wow isn't graphics intensive it's more CPU intensive.

 

I have an Asus G50vt-x5 (bestbuy model). It works great, but it's large and heavy. It does have more power, because of the stronger CPU. I have a C2D P8400 @ 2.26Ghz.

I have a M11x R1 but the processor is a low voltage model running 1/2 the speed of the processor in my G50vt.

The processor is not capable of keeping up with a processor running so much more voltage to it, and also 2x the speed.

The graphics card is also slightly below the 9800m GS from the specs I was able to find at notebookcheck.net.


My G50vt is a heavy boat that is heavier then many 17" laptops and it's only 15.6". The battery is shot and does nothing more then sit on my desk and power my large monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers.

For mobile gaming I'm not pushing a monitor larger then the laptops screen. I can run L4D2 on the M11x R1 between 40-60fps with Vsync turned off and AA and FSAA turned down or off. That was the #1 game I wanted and it plays beautifully

 

Yes, the 9800m GPU is more powerful than an nVidia 335M in raw power. In 3DMark06, we're talking about ~8500 3DMark06 vs ~7200 3DMark06. If you overclock the nVidia 335M GPU, you can probably push that score to about ~8000 3DMark06.

But you're not comparing apples-to-apples when you compare just GPU's. The Asus G50VT has a much higher screen resolution (1680x1050) than the Alienwre M11x (1366x768), and consumes a lot more power. The Alienware M11x was never intended to be an ultimate-15"-gaming-machine like the Asus G50VT. It was built to be a portable gaming machine.

A much more relevant comparison would be an Asus G50VT vs Alienware M15x. Both are 15" laptops that consume a lot of power, have high-res screens, and have a lot of very powerful (and power-consuming) components in them to give the best gaming experience possible.

 

The Asus G50VT has the same resolution as the m11x. But yeah I'm replacing it because the GPU gets way too hot!

 

what are you cooking on your laptop with a GPU at 100 deg C ? .. steaks ?

 

Clean the inside of your laptop regularly with compressed air and keep it dust-free, and also consider doing a repaste on your GPU/CPU, undervolting CPU helps a lot for the GPU temp too since they both share the same system fan. I have a G50VT as well, with my overclocked x9100, the 9800M gs never goes higher than 83 C when gaming, and yes I do have a zalman nc2000 cooler underneath the G50 too.

 

My mistake on the G50VT resolution. You are correct... 1366x768 is one of the resolution options offered with that model of laptop.

In any case, your laptop is still a very capable gaming machine. I would not replace the laptop just because of GPU temps. I would:

(1) Figure out whether the temps of 100C are typical for that laptop. There is an Asus section of these forums. Some people there would probably know.
(2) If they are NOT normal, then figure out why. Are your fans / heatsinks clogged with dust? Did your laptop fan die, and stop spinning? Did your thermal compound dry up, and need re-applying?

If you wanted a new laptop for other reasons, then yes, sure, consider buying other laptops. But if your only problem is high GPU temps, then it would be much faster, easier, and cheaper to fix the problem than buy a new notebook.

 

No dust or anything. I cleanly weekly. I actually have the bottom opened so the fas from my aluminum cooler can suck all the hot air out. Goes from 100C gaming to about 60-70!

 

That is definitely an airflow problem. If increasing airflow to / around the heatsink drops temps that dramatically, then there is something wrong with the airflow on your machine. 60C - 70C is a great temperature for a GPU under load. 100C is not.


I'd check:

(1) Are air intake / exhaust ports blocked by anything? Could be blocked by something inside the case (e.g. dust), or it could be blocked by something outside the case (e.g. laptop sits perfectly flat on a desk because the rubber feet on the bottom of the laptop have fallen off).

Are your temps still so high if you were to slightly elevate the laptop with something like a few business cards, or a deck of playing cards?

(2) Is the built-in fan on the laptop working properly? Does it look like it's spinning slowly (or not at all) when your GPU is under load?

 

Have you considered repasting your GPU? Alot of the ASUS G50VT models have an issue with heat. It's also quite easy to modify the cooling system on it, tons of YouTube videos. If you have the room, people have thermal adhesive'd additional passive RAM heatsinks on the GPU heatpipe.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/505552-asus-g51vx-overheating-fixed.html

 

Not necessarily; as others have mentioned, bad paste would also cause that, as that would mean that heat isn't being transferred to the heatsink to then be transferred to the fan radiator/heat exchanger. For that matter, it could also mean that his heat pipes are shot, and not transferring heat properly to the fan radiator/heat exchanger as well (a little less likely, unless he's been bending or denting them).

 

I'm willing to bet that it's not bad thermal paste.

If it was bad thermal paste, then the chip would heat up to 100C+, and stay there... no amount of airflow on the chip could cool it down to 60C. The only way that the GPU can get down from 100C --> 60C by simply increasing airflow (removing bottom panel and using laptop cooler) is if the heatsink is working properly... and that implies that the thermal paste is working properly.

 

Not necessarily. Bad paste could also mean an inadequate job, which means that, say, only 50% of the possible heat is being transferred to the heatsink. Then, by cooling the much greater surface of the heatsink directly with the fan, the temperature difference between the heatsink and the chip becomes greater, driving a higher heat transfer to the heatsink (don't forget that heat transfer isn't fixed; the higher the temperature difference between 2 objects, the higher the heat transfer rate). We also have no clue about how quickly it is or isn't cooling down, as that information isn't provided.

In any event, repasting the GPU isn't a bad idea, especially if it's never been done before (This is a 2-3 year old GPU we're talking about). Many thermal pastes do deteriorate over time.