6TB 2.5" SSD to be released soon!

I'd love to have one of these!

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2921...d-drive-youll-need-for-a-good-long-while.html

 

Yeah. $800 for the 1TB version. Was gonna post this this morning but I can't imagine many people buying it when it will cost more than their laptop.

 

well I'm sure they'll reduce the price once they see noone is buying them. How can a 1TB cost 800 USD when an 850 PRO 1TB costs 500 USD or so! that's insane! What are they thinking? people would just jump ship and buy SSDs from an unknown company that costs more than a LAISEX eye surgery? LOL

 

This kind of thing is good for raising the bar, but not something I'd be looking to actually buy.

 

Unknown company with unknown nand, processor and firmware with my data? NEVER going to happen.

Even at $0.01 a GB.

EVER.

 

Given that 1TB has been available in the mSATA format for over a year, fitting 6TB into the 2.5" form factor is no great achievement in either electronics or manufacturing.

If one needs very high storage capacity in a notebook then it's preferable to have slots for multiple devices, which some manufacturers offer. I don't want a storage device which is too big to easily back up.

John

 

Chicken

 

Damn. Wouldn't even test drive a 6TB drive for $60? C'mon now.

 

Let's see, with 6TB worth of data worth at least $20K, trusting it stoopidly to a $60 drive has nothing to do with testing or being chicken. Insane is more the word that comes to mind.

 

Funny enough, there's actually one of their brochures next to my desk at work. The NAND they use is A19 and A15, i.e. Toshiba.

If you actually bother to look at their website, though, it's clear that they aren't a consumer oriented company. Their focus is entirely on enterprise/industrial applications, with what looks like somewhat of a specialization for HPC. Even if you wanted to buy one of their SSDs, chances are you won't be able to since they'll never be sold in retail.

In terms of pricing, let me give you some perspective. A modern rack server these days can hold around 6TB of RAM. Server RAM right now is about $10/GB. You can do the math.

From how they're advertising their SSDs (fast write, consistent performance, high bit density), my guess is they're tackling the high performance video market.
Maybe some example use cases will help:

Uncompressed 4K RAW video at 30 Hz (16 bpp) has a data rate of 480 MB/s. A single 6 TB drive has just enough bandwidth and enough space for a bit over 3 hours of video.
Uncompressed 8K RAW video at 24 Hz has a data rate of 1.5 TB/s. RAID (not stripe) four of these together and you can stream 8K video for about 2 hours.
If you wanted to do something really crazy like 3D 8K high speed video (120 Hz), then there's really no storage option that will suffice. But that's what the 6 TB of RAM is for, and you'll eventually need to flush that to non-volatile storage.

 

Trusting any data to any drive is dumb then. Any drive can fail for any reason at any minute. Not everyone had $20k worth of data either, as a matter of fact most people don't have 10% that.

 

Not sold on Toshiba 'anything' - let alone their nand and/or ssd controllers. And an enterprise/industrial bent doesn't mean quality either. I understand editing video on the fastest storage subsystem possible, but nothing gets displayed raw/uncompressed anywhere. That would be a fools usage of this type of high capacity storage.

No, trusting data to a drive is not dumb (but to 'any' drive still is). There have been a few that have proven themselves extensively over the years...

And $20K worth of data is relative. Someone who has their entire photo collection (even from just a phone) from the past decade would say that it might be worth more than that. I know of shoots that became instantly rare and pricey because the subject died tragically soon after.

Would anyone pay that much to recover such data if they could? Maybe, maybe not. But for some, $20M may be in line for some kind of data.


Both;
Either way, my point is that this product from this manufacturer does not interest me at all. Not even at McD's prices. I am convinced by the info I read that a 'happy' meal, this is not.

 

Damn dude. To test drive a 6TB @ $60 I wouldn't put valuable data and thrown it in the mix. I would throw data I already have backed up and play with it. And since it's a 2.5" drive it can easily be thrown in throw away laptop. But I use Samsung ssd's mostly which you frown upon. But OTOH, I have data backed up on platters, solid state and optical in a safe. I trust the optical disks the most.

 

pukemon, don't trust those optical disks, they are treacherous backstabbing bastards, betrayal their nature.

 

Optical discs too can get corrupted or lose their data after a number of years of non-use. I've had a lot of games which I copied for backup purposes go bad this way.

 

What? Just back it up properly and you don't have to 'trust' anything because you've got your own back.

 

Lol. Out of all the 3 mentioned, optical has longest shelf life if kept proper.

And did you not notice I mentioned I have all 3 as a backup? When I backup I go all the way. Mainly it,s just music, photos and videos but also software. I think I am covered.

 

Despite what is stated about optical media, burned optical media only has a realistic life of about 5 years max. The chemical coating just is too susceptible to decay and damage from, well, just about anything. In any case yes, if you have multiple backups, that's the best backup you can have. And if they had a 6TB SSD at $0.10/GB, I'd buy that for mass storage. If found reliable I'd update my server to those things.

Besides, I find optical drives cumbersome to use. You have to babysit the backup process, manually handle the discs every time. I guess as a disaster recovery measure, doing an annual archival backup that way isn't a horrible idea. Just I would need to make TWO optical backups and do an integrity check of the data every time. That can take a lot of time.

 

I'd love to have 2 of these in RAID 1, mmm!

 

Optical disks. NO (ever). As backup? lol... Everything I buy that comes with a CD/DVD installer gets copied to (multiple) HDD's and the optical disk filed (never to be seen/used again).

I am inclined to believe that old saying 'you get what you pay for' and although these drives are not $60, my point is that even at that price point, they are not to be trusted as of now.

Samsung SSD's are not something to be frowned upon (when they work). The company is something to be avoided like the plague if you want real world results that even remotely match the marketing BS put into the sale of their products.

The problem is that their SSD's don't work as I expect them to (in any example I've seen/used since 2009/10). A laggy storage subsystem is not something I tolerate from HDD's. Why would I be expected to think that is normal for an SSD?

Getting back to your post though, buying a 6TB SSD @ $60 and putting this in a throwaway laptop and testing this (for a year or more, to do it properly) is not something that makes sense to me. That is what I would trust the manufacturers to do (Intel) for me. And something I would also pay a fair price for.

Once again, nothing about this inspires confidence in my view. Nor does being a beta tester so I can say I was 'first!' sound appealing either. I want 60 and 600TB capacities I can afford and trust (and not test for the next major portion of my remaining lifespan). And not something I can do already with 6+ SSD's (in my desktop workstations, granted). YMMV.

Intel, SanDisk and Crucial will have my full attention when they offer 2TB+ capacities at reasonable prices.

Fixstars? A company that has reached revenue of $26.8M in 2014 since 2002? Not in my lifetime.

Especially since SSD 'expertise' is not even on their radar - let alone on their 'about page'.

See:
http://www.fixstars.com/en/ssd/about/


Everyone else here can be their guinea pig if they want. Myself? I've seen this movie before...

 

lol. funny thread. i would stand by optical or hdd for data that was thrown in the back of closet and forgotten about and would expect some if not all data to be recoverable in 10 years or whenever it gets found. anyways, i'm not arguing that point, was only semi-serious about the $.10GB thing since it hypothetical anyways. the most important thing is to have backups of backups and that other backup be offsite or safe/semi-safe if on site because i keep that backup of backup in a water/fire proof safe since i can't realistically have an offsite backup.

 

Hopefully it pushes other manufacturers into higher capacity models, being stuck at 1 TB forever is no good. I want a single, large SSD!

 

Be prepared to have your wallet massively raped though

 

FWIW I have a bunch of games on CD that are almost 15 years old and they still work fine when I pop them into the optical drive. (granted CD-ROM not CD-R or CD-RW)

But for the ultimate backup, trust none other than the tried and true ink and paper. Will easily last you a lifetime if properly stored, without having to worry about data corruption, format obsoletion or any other #firstworldproblems you can think of.

 

OMG that data density. Don't even get started on I/O performance.

The ultimate backup for small amount of important data is inserting the data secretly into some popular public information. People will create unlimited number of copies for you.

 

Commercial optical media are completely different than burnable. Commercial CD's, DVD's, and Blu-Ray's are actually manufactured with a press to physically stamp the pits. So it's a hard copy, literally, so could last forever as long as the surface isn't scratched, marred, or warped. Burnable drives just use lasers to burn a bit on a chemical coating which can easily be corrupted considering how sensitive they are to light, heat, humidity, and handling in general, not to mention passage of time.

 

Yeah after I posted that it hit me that CD-ROMs must be manufactured differently since I have a Math Blaster game purchased on CD almost 20 years ago, and CD-R's certainly didn't exist back then lol.

That being said, I have a couple DVD-R's that are pushing 9 years old, and a bunch of random CD-R's over 7 years old and they all read fine, so eh.

 

I would need 2 for all my PO*N, Ahhm, I mean research

John.

 

The biggest bottleneck in my computer is my external HDD 4TB which holds all my ehemm....... everytime I reboot, it adds 6 to 8 seconds on the boot time because Windows is that stupid for some reason when an external HDD is connected the boot time is much slower. Also since the HDD goes IDLE after sometime, everytime I open my computer my laptop would kind of freeze for about 4 to 5 seconds until the external HDD spins up and I don't want to disable the IDLE power shutdown otherwise I may kill my external HDD and lose my life's saving of ehmmmm ehmmm


So getting a 6TB SSD or even two and putting them in RAID to have 12 TB of capacity is stellar! HEck give me HDDs that are 4 TB for the laptop and I'd be a happy bunny.

 

Four TERAbytes of popcorn?

Jeez you need to find a new hobby lol!

 

Yeah, I lost my life savings to an encrypted hdd, I cried that day, I had to start all over again, but i put my back into it and my collection is better than ever.

My nephew replaced his dvdrom with an 2tb Samsung hdd for storage, his boot drive is an Samsung SSD and he has not mentioned any boot slowdown.

I wish i could put an 2tb in my HP Rove 20, But it has only 1 hdd/ssd connector, though i did notice an empty mSATA connector on the motherboard, so it might be possible, but buying an mSATA SSD and an 2TB HDD is a lot to buy at once.

John.

 

IKR. I like the Swedish Chef too, but 4TB of it is a lot.

 

I can see @tilleroftheearth recommending partitioning 3TB of the total 6TB to empty space in order to extend its life.

Anyway... A 6TB SSD? Kidding me? That's a lot of porn, mate.

 

Nah, partitioning does not extend the life of a drive. But leaving ~30%+ as 'unallocated' capacity helps immensely with performance consistency... I'm still using Intel 520 Series drives with 65% OP'ing and have no reason to replace them in most of my workstations (they are used as CS6 Scratch Disks). With no OP'ing, they barely replaced the VRaptors I had before for my workflows, even if Windows did boot faster (yawn).

 

Was just joking.

 

I know. I'm lol here too.

 

Tiller you OP king