AMD AthlonTM 64 X2 TK-53 (1.7GHz/512KB) vs. Intel C2D T2310 ???

AMD AthlonTM 64 X2 TK-53 (1.7GHz/512KB) vs. Intel C2D T2310


What I'm weighing here is the AMD in the Dell Vostro 1000 and the Intel in the Sony Vaio NR. Both of these laptops are selling for $499. Both are shipping with 1GB RAM (could add later if need be), but the Vostro has an XP option. I'm wondering which is the better value and which is the smarter choice.

This will be used for basic stuff, not gaming.

How do their respective processors stack up??

Thanks,
Derek

 

Honestly, you are not going to see a difference between those processors. The Intel processor should be a bit faster but as I said, you will not notice the difference. The only way you would be able to see that would be in synthetic benchmarks and encoding tasks. Therefore you should base your decision not on the processor but on other items like the physical design, number/variety of ports, and battery life. We have a review of the Sony NR here:
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4075

We unfortunately do not have a review for the Dell Vostro 1000 at the moment but you can look in the Dell forum for user input.

 

I agree with Chaz over all but C2D are faster clock per clock than even AMD TL's and run cooler, so unless there is something much better about the TK I would go Intel.

 

The slowest part on a notebook is usually the hard drive, not the CPU. Upgrading to a faster drive will likely yield the biggest performance increase.

 

No question about it. Go with the Intel T2310. The TK-53 has crippled L2 cache. 256kb per core vs 512kb per core on the TLs.

 

The T2310 is a Core Duo, not a Core 2, so it'll be about 25% slower than Core 2s with the same clock speed. (It's actually a pentium dual core, which is basically a Core Duo with half the L2 cache disabled) Therefore the Turion, given its higher clock rate, might actually be slightly faster.

FYI, if you don't mind spending a little more money, you could grab this notebook for $626 before tax with free shipping. This IMO is a much, much better deal. It's on the Lenovo website under the T60 blowout sale.

IBM Thinkpad T60
15 inch TFT LCD @ 1680x1050 < - not customizable
Core 2 Duo T7200 @ 2.0 GHz 4mb cache < - not customizable
128mb Radeon X1400
1x 1GB DDR2 667 RAM
80 GB 5400 RPM HDD <- 120 GB for a $25 upgrade and 100GB 7200RPM for a $60 upgrade after coupons
Intel PRO ABG < - not customizable
Fingerprint Reader < - not customizable
6 Cell Battery < - not customizable but you could grab an extra 9 cell cheap on eBay

Except hard drives and processors are bottlenecked for different tasks. In my experiences, the CPU hits 100% way more often than the hard drive does.

 

Sorry Clutch66 but the T2310 and T2330 are Merom Core 2 Duo chips. We have proven this 100 times already. actually over 100 times.

 

By getting 100+ screenshots of CPU-Z? Seems to me like you only need one

Why sorry?

Regardless, Turion still wouldn't be much slower given its 20% higher clock speed and that the T2310 is still a cripped processor.

 

For most day to day tasks like Office and Internet you aren't anywhere near maxing out the CPU, but if data can be read faster off the drive, it seems faster. If you you're coding audio all day, then sure the faster CPU is the way to go.

 

True.. I didn't think of that.

But the only time that my HDD is noticibly at 100% for a sustained amount of time was when I use direct connect to download files. Transferring files to a external HDD or between HDDs on a desktop doesn't seem to lag Vista at all.

 

Sorry Clutch66. We have already proven that the C2D P.D.C chips SMOKE Turion x2s. I understand that you are just guessing. We sell 22 different laptops here all ranging from Turion x2, PDC, and C2D. We have the hardware here and we have proven it.

 

OK you say "we", who is that mouse in your pocket? If the PDC you mention is a Dual Core, then they do not smoke TL's, as a matter of fact the TL's clock for clock beat the DC's except in the magical tests you refer to but never share with the rest of us.

 

PowerPack, When I say PDC I mean the newer PDC based on C2D. All PDC laptops out now are T2310 or T2330 based which are C2D.

 

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAEC


According to Intel it's actually a Pentium Dual Core.

As for which is more powerful well, checking the numbers here:

http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=CPU_1489&name=Turion+64+TK-53+(34)

and here:

http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=CPU_1493

It seems that the T2310 does post consistently higher scores in most benchmarks than the TK-53 at standard clocks.

Also one would expect the PDC to be kinder on abttery life, so in straight cpu terms, the PDC would be the better buy, but the overall choice should depend on how all of the components of the laptop meet your requirements, like IGP, ram, hard disk, screen and price.

 

Moon all due respect but the 1st link is not good! Why well take a look at how they graph single and multiple tasks. Not concise and I am not going to read how to re-invent the wheel. I disagree with your conclusions but so be it I could be wrong.

 

Well there's multiple bench tests there with different applications that show the TK to be getting lower scores pretty much across the board at clock speeds. Ignoring the graphs for a second and checking the bench results at the bottom of the page, I'd say that that was about as good evidence as you'll get considering these two cpus are both reasonably rare at the moment.

 

Did I say that Turions were faster that C2Ds? I simply stated QUOTE: The Turion wouldn't be much slower than the pentium dual core given the Turion's higher clock speed and the crippled-ness of the Merom chip.

Please read first before ranting. Thanks

EDIT: Sorry onion, I understand that you are just guessing. Please look at the benchmarks moon posted. Does a 1.4 GHz cripped Merom chip "smoke" a 1.7 GHz Turion X2?

 

No, not so much "smoke", but it does perform better in most but not all tasks.

 

Clutch, I know from past experience that onion has a habit of posting misleading claims. Take what he claims as "facts" with a grain of salt.

 

Clutch66, You're not the first one I had to explain this to. You can look at as many laughable inaccurate benchmarks you want to online. Many benchmarks are based on clock freq. The problem is I am the ONLY one in this ENTIRE website that has the hardware to test various apps on and accurately measure CPU usage under those various REAL apps. We are not just running a stupid inaccurate benchmarks dependant on clock freq.

YES, Pentium Dual Core T2310 1.46ghz SMOKES A 1.8ghz turion TK-53.

Again, Please dont argue with me. You dont have the hardware and are just guessing. We have the hardware and we have proven it.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot, you use the unquestionable Task Manager as a benchmark . Please. When have you ever supplied us any non-laughable benchmarks? Moderators forgive my language, but onion: you are a dumbass.

 

We will be providing screen shots soon. As for your insults I will be alerting moderators.

 

How do you know that we don't also have other laptops like that? What makes you think that you are the only person in this world that has more than 1 laptop?

 

Its 100% clear that I am the only one for if I wasnt there would be no arguing.

 

You've made that promise in other threads before and never delivered. I expect nothing different from you this time. Btw, that wasn't an insult. It was merely an observation.

 

I am actually the CEO of both Intel and AMD. Outside of this internet forum I go by both the names of Paul Otellini and Hector Ruiz. Therefore I have access to every Intel and AMD CPU ever made and have personally tested all of them.

Anyways, you do realize that there are benchmarks made for testing REAL WORLD apps right? And you realize that those benchmarks were posted in the link right?

It's not just super pi...

Yes go "tell" on him. That really proves your point...

Why are people so stubborn on this forum? Especially after they've been proven wrong by published benchmarks by reputable sources. Another NBR Reviewer today actually fabricated a set of benchmarks to prove his point.

 

Ive got five laptops, if that counts for anything.

I would wager that Onion is correct. I dont know him but i know people who have those processors in their laptops, and the core 2 duo will defintely outpace the turion. I dont dislike amd, I would rather tell people to buy them, but I wont because the core line is very promising and strong.

Litereally at my house, I have a 3.8Ghz p4 hyperthreading processor, and I have an athlon x2 4200+ 2.2Ghz dual core. Yes we all know that the x2 is much more powerful in tests. When I use the machines, the 3.8 not only loads and runs programs better, but I would rather use it because it is fast. The x2 I would rather use for crunching numbers and stuff, becuase that s the only benfit it really has over the P4. Look we all know that the difference between these processors is minimal, but through tests and actual use of systems which have those processors, I am going to agree with Onion that the core 2 duo system is faster than the turion system.

K-TRON

 

That thread was locked down.

 

Ok, so post here, this thread is still going.

Until then, you have 0 credibility that you're the only one with 22 laptops.

 

There have been multiple threads (see below) where you could have provided proof of your claims, considering that you have "explained it a hundred times", and yet you have done no such thing.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=189945&page=3

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=198286

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=195616

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=195640

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=189945

 

lol if the intel is faster than the AMD is it really noticeable? i mean does anyone use THAT much processing power?

e.g if your using an intel and the useage is at 10% and im using an amd and its 15% or 20% so what? eitherway nobody really uses 90% of the power of any laptop processor.

 

I use my laptops to crunch numbers, and my AMD always comes on top, but thats because it is a server processor.

K-TRON

 

Are joking?? Those thread are locked down. Too funny!

 

So uhh....... hurry up and post them?

Also have you heard of making a new thread?

 

Does that excuse the fact that you have yet to provide us with evidence to back up your claims? Those threads were locked b/c you were arguing with others about the exact same thing; and you still didn't post benchmarks. In fact, the only thing you managed to do was get yourself banned b/c you were giving crappy advice to people who need help. Way to go, Mr. Arrogance.

 

I hate to do this, but unless this thread gets nicer really quickly it is also going to be added to the locked-down list. I do not think this thread has provided any value to the public since about page 2.

 

Seems like a trend in threads that Onion decides to input his superior knowledge...but maybe it's just me.

 

Why are you guys still slanging to and fro in this thread? The relevant answers have been given two pages ago, once again by me.

If you want to have a slanging match we have the political subforum for that.

Thread closed.