AMD Finally outs new CPUs!!

I think the problem AMD has is churning out Dual Core Chips for the mobile Platform.
As you know almost all Phenom CPUs are quad core either with 1 or 2 Core disabled to make it a triple Core or Dual Core.
However TDP and Power require for mobile chips has to be different.

 

Yes. They could come out with a Phenom II quad and put it in a laptop, but TDP would be massive. (further lowering their rep)

 

I wish AMD could get some kind of Phenom based notebook cpus to the laptop marked.
But if AMD made some kind of AMD Turion II / ATI Mobility HD 5000 combo i may buy them.

Offtopic:
I got a desktop with a AMD Phenom II x3 710 paired with a ATI HD 4770 and its a great preformer compared to what i paid for.
And now that AMD released their HD 5000 series i may get a second ATI HD 4770 as soon as it gets cheaper.

 

For me I have to gauge the performance increase first.
Specification are out here.
Looks disappointing.
Flagship model max out at 2.6GHZ and we know Phenom II design is still lagging after Intel C2D not to mention Core iX.
However it will be a pleasant surprise if we could unlock extra cores on Turion II

 

If people could unlock quad cores on their notebooks it would be sweet.
Im considering getting a i7 powered notebook but the prices here are laughable.

Heres the Dell Studio XPS 16 i7 720qm price for USA: $ 1,573 (Without the savings ect.)
Heres the norwegian price for the exact same system: $ 3114,35 (Also without savings.)

Its crazy!

 

WOW! It is the double! Not worth it!
(and getting it via a relative in the US?)

 

I have no idea what it would cost but if someone's interested heres the norwegian customs rule.

http://www.toll.no/default.aspx?id=3&epslanguage=EN

Thats why im looking for cheap notebooks, but i really want high resolution screens and backlight keyboards. xD

100 Norwegian Kroners = 17,88 US Dollars

That means that it should cost 7822,65 Norwegian Kroners. (or more, not 3000 USD!)

 

ouch that is a lot.. best bet is to go to UK or somehwere else in europe and directly buying it from a store..

 

Now. Back to topic/

Hey, finally AMD used the 4200HD! The Compaq listed in the OP, uses a Turion II x2 and an ATI IGP 4200HD!

 

Thats a nice deal.


Offtopic again, i fell like im spamming.

Checked Dell.uk, they sell the same system for 1199 GBP.
That is 10908,5 NOK, much more reasonable price, but im unsure how much it will cost once the norwegian customs add taxes and stuff.

But if i got the system build and shipped from the US, then just get the norwegian power adapter and the backlit qwerty keyboard from the norwegian dell site i should save quite amount of money.

 

DEagleson, I highly suggest the What Notebook Should I Buy Forum for further info. A lot of people will help you there more than we can here. (it is a more active forum). And you are not spamming, dont worry.



I have not heard any news of AMD Neo being refreshed, but I think they are already on second generation, or not yet?

 

Okay, thanks for the advice Serg.

Just looked at the norwegian HP site, they use AMD Turion II x2 M500 2,2 GHz paired with a ATI Mobility HD 4650.

Cant wait to see some reviews of the new AMD prosessors.

 

Those are the new ones, and that is a good GPU. Go to that forum, fill the FAQ, and I am sure you will get a lot of help. Good luck!

 

Any word on laptops with these yet? So far I've only seen a few Turion M300s, M500s in some HPs at Best Buy Canada, but any news of others?

 

The only manufacturers I know that use AMD are HP and MSI...unfortunately that is what happened to AMD when they got the doors shut.

 

I recall there being mention of an Asus with one of the Turion IIs as well, but In haven't heard from it yet. Well good thing is that the new HPs with Turion IIs and the HD4200 start at roughly 550-650$CAD which is decent enough pricing.

 

And being the 4200HD a bump from the aging 3200HD, for that price tag and performance, it is really nice!

 

Well it'll depend on how well the Turion II chips compare to Core 2 chips. Core 2 Duo laptops can be had for 650$ at the lowest.

We all agree the HD4200(or even the HD3200) eats the GMA4500HD for breakfast so it really comes down to how much of an improvement Turion II is over Turion Ultra.

 

And the Turion II Ultra. But it is important to note that specs on AMD and Intel are different, so that is why we see smaller cache numbers, and different stuff...and people is just not used to it.

But I definitively agree with you, at the price point, and the market targeted these new CPUs must deal with C2D that are going down on price more and more. So I hope they can keep up. (C2D will last easily another year before it disappears, perhaps more)

 

Best Buy in the US has this HP machine:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9554671&type=product&id=1218123526907

CPU : Turion II M500
RAM : 4 GB
Graphics: Radeon 4200
Display: 14.1'' WXGA

Quite portable but it doesn't list the battery life.

Is there a big diffeence between a 4100 and a 4200?

 

Triple Core coming Q1 2010 for notebooks.

 

Those are great news!
And the price tag (knowing AMD) should not be that high.

Something to notice, AMD Phenom II has L1 and L2 per-core and a L3 shared IIRC

 

I finally came to a conclusion.
Maybe after the Caspians are out Griffin Prices will drop.
I will probably acquire a cheap ZM-86/ZM-87 then.
For now the performance isn't motivating enough and the non backward compatibility further discourages.

 

Does anyone know if any variants of the Caspian CPUs will be backwards-compatible with S1 socket processors currently available (e.g., Lion, Griffin?)

Got a buddy whose HP laptop has a Turion 64 X2 RM-70. Hotter than blazes. I'm not looking to upgrade the system in speed as much as to cool it down, and the thought of putting an M300 or M320 in it would be appealing if I could get the temps down that way. Wish I'd been around to give advice at the time of the purchase, as its fans are constantly at high speed, and portions of the case are a little uncomfortable to the touch. I like AMD, don't get me wrong --but I'd have recommended Intel as a mobile choice.

 

1)No it uses S1G3, Turion Griffins uses S1G2. Patrick Moore said it himself that it isn't compatible.

2) Undervolt the Turion Griffin.

 

I really want to see some Caspian M6xx benchies. If AMD can get close to mobile C2D like Phenom II did in comparison to desktop C2Ds, then I see the series as a success. Now, I just want a 14.1" form factor with the Turion II 2.6 GHz (M640?), Mobility Radeon HD 4670 w/ 1 GB GDDR3, 4 GB DDR2-800, and a backlit keyboard, similar to that Asus N60Dp, but with the M600 series CPU instead of the M520.

 

LOL! What the heck?

I was born in Ontario and i am considering buying the Orochi mouse(Really, go to accessory forum)

Heh, cool. Thanks a lot Serg!! A 4 core processor is something they needed next year for sure. Hopefully it uses less power like the AMD GPU's

 

Sounds like me, but I want a 15.4" WUXGA with backlit keyboard. Basically I want an AMD version of a Dell M4400, but I would have preferred to buy it from Asus. Too bad neither of them offers it.

 

not bad. but it all has that "day late; dollar short" feeling to it.

Neo could make a good splash in the netbook segment, though.

 

well, for what you pay for the AMD chips, I see no reason why these things, coming right under the C2D couldnt be a success. (I guess this is me wanting to see some competition and lower prices...)

I agree that Neo is far better than Atom, and some are faster than CULV

 

So basically, the top end standard Turion II is roughly equal to a T6500 or T8100. The Turion II Ultra series could be quite interesting then, for the right price.

Of course, we still need to see some power consumption numbers, and that's an area AMD has traditionally had trouble with.

 

Likely, we wont even notice the how any difference between on Turion II and say a C2D t6500. I went to best buy last night and there was a HP with a Turion II Ultra. It look pretty darn fast, but nothing extreme. There was another white HP with a lower Turion II and god that thing was LOUD. the fan is constantly on and whats worst, is that you can hear it.

 

The thing is, I don't really care about the performance of netbooks - my primary concerns are power consumption and cost. And at the moment, AMD Neo processors consume more power and cost more than most of the Atom processors. I think the real competitors of the Neo are the CULV processors, which are in more expensive ultraportables and compete at the same price segment.

Most people who I know who buy netbooks buy them because they're small and cheap, not because they want to play HD video or intensive games on them.

A 35W TDP triple core doesn't sound bad at all, but then again, judging a processor's power consumption by TDP can be a bit misleading.

 

HP's thermal design has totally sucked for the past few models. My dv5z was always running hot, and I hear that most other dvX models had the same problem.

 

Three new K10.5 45nm Neos are in the works as well for ultra-thins.

Expect them to be paired up with the HD4200 mobile IGP for a solid platform.

Acer and Fujitsu use AMD CPUs as well.

 

yeah...there...mostly the problem is also part of HP and not a good design. I have used those DV series with Intel CPUs and they were quite toasty too...

 

That's a better score than I expected for the M520 chip. I really want to see how the M6xx series handles versus C2Ds with the extra L2 cache space. I know it's very late of AMD, but if they can get this series architecture down and out into ultra thins, and develop a new standard notebook architecture (K11?), they could possibly catch up to Intel. However, they need to get on top of 32 nm real quick if they hope to do so.

Either way, it's nice to finally see AMD go beyond K9 notebook chips. These new chips should've been into market when the Turion x2 Ultras were introduced.

 

According to the chart on the first page, 32nm is planned for 2011. By which time Intel should have mainstream Sandy Bridge CPUs and will be on the verge of introducing 22nm Ivy Bridge CPUs.

I'm no fortune teller or analyst, but even I can figure out how this will turn out.

And the Phenom II should've been into market when the original Phenoms were introduced. I don't think the problem is that AMD doesn't want to introduce higher-performing parts, it's just that they can't.

 

Moore's Law is reaching it's limits and we've only got about 3-6 more years of die shrinks left before CPU makers hit a brick wall called cost effectiveness.

Intel will get to the smallest die-size first but eventually AMD will catch up.

 

By the way, technically there is no K9, K10, whatever. The K8 was the last family to use the Kx name. The Barcelona ("K10") was officially AMD Family 10h. The Turion Ultra was AMD Family 11h - even though it had basically the same compute core as K8, it had more advanced power management features. The Turion IIs that are being introduced now are also AMD Family 10h. I'm a bit disappointed that they seem to have abandoned the advanced power management that they had in Family 11. Probably it was too complicated for motherboard makers to support. (Kinda makes me think these new chips might be compatible with original S1G1 socket notebooks though, since neither S1G1 nor S1G3 has the split power planes that S1G2 sockets have.)

 

So far there are a slew of HP models (dv7, dv6, dv4, dm-whatever, 6445b, 6545b) and a slew of Toshiba models. Since these all use 16:9 screens (and quite low resolution, at that) I have no interest in any of them.

There's also Asus N60DP, Acer Aspire 7540, Acer Aspire 5542
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-AS5542-5462-15-6-Inch-Windows-Premium/dp/B002P8M6E8#moreAboutThisProduct

MSI CR610X

I haven't seen anything from Fujitsu this time around.

 

And Clevo is added to the list, sort of:

http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/clevo-to-distribute-notebooks-2009sept8.aspx

They're releasing *new* models using the current gen graphics cards (HD4570) but using *old* CPUs and the M690G chipset. ?

Oh well, ultimately it probably won't make any bit of difference. Clevo announced a whole bunch of Puma models back in July 2008 too
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=272285

but not a single one of them was ever sold, and those models (e.g. M760J) no longer exist on the Clevo products page.

Sheesh, I dunno why they even bother to print press releases like this when no products will ever result from them.

 

I didn't mean to write K9, I had forgotten that AMD skipped the K9 nomenclature for K10

 

LOL this is a very interesting talk.
I like to see Caspians on S1G1.
Then maybe guys on Griffin S1G2 will get their CPUS next release and the cycle continues...

 

We have a user who has gotten his hands on a M500 Caspian.
I have requested more info about the chip as well here.

 

The Gap is closing Clock for Clock (From Passmark)

Code:

                                               Score    Rank
Intel Core2 Duo T8300 @ 2.40GHz	                1470    196
Intel Core2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHZ           	1596   	181
AMD Turion II Ultra Mobile M600 @ 2.4GHZ        1309  	233
AMD Turion X2 Ultra Mobile ZM-86 @ 2.4GHZ       1155  	270

Too bad a generation late...

 

No kidding.

 

If they manage to keep up and later on catch them, I have no problems.

 

Well AMD really needs to push themselves not just for CPUs, but for the whole package to the mainstream market that can't name another CPU manufacturer other than Intel. The packages are there (Puma and Tigris) and AMD must promote to the public consumer that these platforms are superior for multimedia. Yes, most basic consumers don't think about that, but if spread a bit of knowledge, then they might view it as something important. Because sooner or later, every notebook gets put through it's paces running video, music, DVDs, and some end up having some light games put on them. When it comes to gaming and the casual market, all I have to say is "Sims".

AMD did not do this enough directly to the consumers with Puma. AMD needs to advertise the "superiority" multimedia capability on the showroom floor itself.