AMD Fusion E-450 coming soon?

Does anyone know the release date for AMD Fusion E-450 chip?

Thanks.

 

Q3 2011 is the most exact date we have so far.

AnandTech - The Brazos Update: AMD's E-450

AMD E-450 processor is in the pipeline | Ubergizmo

I wish the CPU would be higher than only 1.65 Ghz. If the graphics turbo was instead added onto that, it'd be in the i3 2130 level. Kinda seems like a waste to me.

 

^^you are kidding me right, on par to the i3 2310?

 

My thoughts exactly.

The E-350 1.6GHz scores 732 in Passmark. The 2310m 2.1GHz scores 2563.

The slight speed boost the E-450 has over the E-350 won't get it to i3 levels.

 

AMD made E-350 and E-450 to battle Atom + Ion combos.
Intels i3 2310m is in another price league.

 

Ha, yeah total brain stutter. For some reason I though the E450's turbo was something like an extra 400mhz.

Amd e450 - Turbo Core in the APU Zacate E-450 will affect only on the graphics | GadgetMorning

Oh well.

 

that STILL wouldn't get it to i3 levels....you can't compare clocks straight up like that

 

^^indeed, if it were like that the llanos could beat the crap out of the SB quads, which aint the case, far from it actually

 

What? The highest Llano quad is clocked slower than the lowest SB quad. There is only 1 Llano dual-core with higher clock speeds than the slowest SB quad, at least if we are talking about mobiles

 

The i3 would still be a better chip, duh, but they'd at least be competing with each other, especially at an 18w TDP for the AMD.

Both are dual core with hyperthreading and virtualization. The E450 would loose out horribly to the i3's graphics (max of 600 Mhz vs 1.1 Ghz) and cache (1 MB L2 vs. 3 MB L3).

But with a 2.0 Ghz CPU speed against the 2.1 Ghz i3 and the huge TDP difference, it would become a much more noticeable option to anyone eyeing an i3 based model. I don't expect everyone to agree with that but it's at least on the radar where currently it's only a netbook processor.

@Mr.MM, I don't know what you're getting at there. I'm comparing two specific chips while you're talking about one series vs another. Even the lowest clocked 17W SB notebook quad turbos to 2.6 Ghz so on paper they certainly don't look superior to Llano's top of the line 45w A8 3530MX that reaches 2.6 as well.

Nonetheless, this is all uselessly fanciful anyway cause I misread (or maybe didn't?) one of the speculative articles a few months ago about the E450.

 

heh, now I was the one confused, mixed up this line with the last years phenom, sorry about that

 

so you still don't realize you can't compare different cpu architectures by clockspeed?

ps, people don't stuff normal voltage cpus into netbooks(the vaio z would beg to differ, but it still doesn't qualify as a netbook by virtue of bigger chassis).

 

No simply no.

I would bet that graphically they would compete, since the e450 comes with a 6310m

the e450 has a base clock of 1.66, the turbo doesnt really matter, its just a higher binned e350

1) there isnt a quad ulv chip, it wouldnt make sense.
2) the clocks dont matter, the llano cpus are about the same performance of the phenom line of last year, and they competed with core 2 duos.
3) there is 2 great things about llano[A something something] (not zacate [e450] that you were talking before) is that the igpu is great, and that the battery life is on par with what intel offers, the cpu performance is quite lacking, for the average user is quite fine, since core 2 duo is quite fine, however I do use it, so for me its out.

you did misread.

 

I think vendors are preparing E-450s because current E-350 models in Australia like the hp dm1z and dell m102z are on clearance.

 

I vote yes, (simply) yes for the same reasons that you give for Llano's appeal below.

I'd bet you're right on that. That was the point of Fusion after all. I don't have use for GPU power so I've not ever payed much attention to how the APUs do what they do. The A8's are only clocked at 444 Mhz on the GPU side so I'm not sure how that comes together.

I realize that but I was saying if it had a bump up to 2.0, 2.1 Ghz. That would represent warm and fuzzy goodness, I would possibly buy one. The turbo imo unfortunately doesn't at all matter because it's only for the GPU.

Yes, the 17w and 35w i7's are dual core. My mistake there. Still a valid point though, which abbadon caught first, is that comparing the straight clock speeds to the i series doesn't favor Llano. Llano is very appealing to battery life freaks like myself but as far as I can tell, its largest downside is not the weak CPU compared to Sandy Bridge. It's that they're currently only available in large, heavy laptops where battery life isn't very important. No luvin yet for the ultra slim & portable where the chips would really show their strengths.

@ Generic User. I was not comparing architectures, I was comparing finished marketable products. Hence why I mentioned the power consumption, virtualization and so on. Architectures are always different outside of a chip series. SB is not Arrandale, Llano is not either one but the final package is what's most important. 99.99% of end users couldn't care less how it's accomplished.

 

are you for real?

 

Brazos is not the CPU you are looking for. [waves hand]

What you want is one of the future Llano chips, when they get to actually having a dual core die instead of using harvested quads. Get the lowest wattage one of those and you'll have your in-between-Brazos-and-current-Llano.

 

I'm just hoping the E-450 will be coming as soon as possible holding off before buying one.

 

Guys I think it's time to stop this nonsense of Intel vs AMD. There is no point arguing that the E350 and the E450 are weaker than the Core i3 series in both processing and graphics power/speed. But this is not an issue as AMD made these APU to compete against Atom and not Core i processors

You might argue that there are Core 3i laptops sold at the same price as E350 laptops. That's true, though I doubt that AMD has anything to do with it. It is apt to the manufacturers to decide on the design, specs, and selling price of their products. The fact is that the A4, A6, A8, and maybe A2 in the future, are what AMD has to offer to compete against the Intel Core i series. Whether these APU are enough to compete with Core i is another issue.

At the end of the day everyone is free to buy either AMD or Intel

Most computer users don't know and won't notice the deference between the two any ways so there is no point arguing this matter further. Besides, the aim of this thread is to let the forum's members know that AMD will soon launch a new APU called the E450 not to argue if AMD is better than Intel or vis versa.

 

Well
E-450 has shown up in a number of notebooks and for some silly reason, even a 17inch

I'm definitely interested in the Asus 1215b update to E-450
Fusion C-60, E-300 and E-450 APUs coming this September - Notebookcheck.net News

HP Prepares AMD E-450 Powered Pavilion G4 14-Inch Notebook - Softpedia

Acer's Aspire 7250 Is Powered by AMD's E-300 and E-450 APUs - Softpedia

 

This is true. It may be something that us tech-heads forget as we engulf ourselves in specifications.

The 17" is probably to hit a price point. There are probably consumers out there who want a ginormous notebook, but will only buy the cheapest one.

The 14" model is a bit more interesting, since it is big enough to not be confused for a netbook and thus may attract buyers who don't want something with a 9-12" screen, but don't need anything faster/more expensive.

 

This is exactly what I was thinking.

To me it makes more sense to have the E-350 and E-450 on 12" to 14" laptops. Anything bigger than 14" should have a Llano CPU

 

After having two systems with defective GPUs, I'm going to hold off on getting a Fusion based system until the next generation of APUs. However, until the system started taking a dump on itself, I got extremely good performance. However, this was with an A8-3500 with dual graphics. The only thing I don't like about the new Fusion chips is how slow the CPU portions are.