AMD Fusion Info Thread

This thread will be for info on AMD's upcoming Fusion processors including 40nm Ontario and 32nm Llano, plus 32nm Bulldozer. All are due for a 2011 release.

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Llano:

• Aimed at mainstream notebooks
  Sabine Platform
• Combines 32nm Phenom 2 quad core cpu and 5000 series ATI graphics
• 1MB of L2 Cache per core (No L3)
• Support for dual channel DDR3-1600 ram
• 2.5-25W per core
• 20-59W TDP
• Sata-6GBs Support
• Integrated PCIe 2.0 controller
• USB 3.0 via Hudson M3

Ontario:

• 40nm
• Dual Core 18W Zacate APU is aimed at netbooks and thin and light notebooks
• Bobcat CPU Core
• Brazos Platform
• Out-of-order execution, unlike upcoming dual core Atom N550
• Combines 40nm dual core Bobcat cpu and DirectX 11 capable 6000 series ATI graphics
• Sub 20W TDP
• Uses DDR3 Ram
• Releases in Q4 2010

Bulldozer

• Brand new architecture due for release on desktops H1 2011, unknown for notebooks
• 32nm
• Hyper-threading
• Introduces L3 cache to AMD processors

 

Source Denies Excessive Power Consumption of the First AMD Fusion Processors.

AMD to integrate USB 3.0 support in upcoming chipsets; to launch more CPUs in 2H10

Early AMD Llano and Ontario performance numbers tip up

 

Thanks for posting all this new info.

Once this gets released i hope i can get a 13" subnotebook with USB 3.0 at a reasonable price point.

 

Report: Two low-power AMD APUs coming late next quarter (no usb 3.0)

 

i really don't think anything's going to come from AMD till 2011.. it took them so long to take out the new phenon and athlon processors and they expect to take out some more new stuff? But one thing is for sure , AMD stuff will be miles cheaper than intel forever.

 

AMD has started a Bulldozer Blog and plans to announce info on it as well as Bobcat and other architectures on August 24th.

 

i definitely will be watching the progression of AMD's new Llano

meanwhile i will be experiencing with their newly Phenom

if things are good and expected, definitely will want to own a Llano notebook in 2012

 

Notebook vendors to launch AMD Ontario-powered models in Q1 2011

 

That's because they've been focusing on this project for a while now...

 

What I think people don't get is what AMD wants to do with this....it is not sandy bridge,it is not a plan to force AMD IGPs....their plan is to kill the CPU.
They claim by 2015 that they will not be throwing X86 cpus into the APU,look at it,right now for 65 watts you can either get a 1200 Gflop 5870mr or an overclocked i7 at 65 Gflops...look at the watt per flop number.
Even if they have to emulate x64..it will blow the doors off of an i7,intel does not have the ability to do this,no high output gpu experience.
Nvidia does.....2011 will be a huge year for AMD...expect the CPU tables to turn.

 

^^^^ What he said, more info here and here.

 

Is this for both desktops and laptops? I don't see this as very practical, because eventually the gpu in the cpu chip is going to be outdated and needs to be faster.

 

..thats the beauty...it standardizes the GPU socket!
The Death of MXM,just the APU Socket,of which will probably be predesignated to be DDR4 compatible in hardware to let you upgrade to a CPU made 5 years later,like Socket AM2,+, and AM3.
The best way to explain it is that it will be very close to the Field that is AM2 CPU's.
Do you want to upgrade?
You get a APU machine,two years later you can get a new APU that is roughly the same wattage,maybe even a hardware lock to keep you from putting a 65 Watt into a 25 watt socket,the cost is that you will not have lets say DDR4 or some new feature..but you do have DX12(lets say) and maybe 10-20% more power.
There are huge capabilities for this.
AMD...Good luck....

 

...but first, look at what programs the 5870MR can run and what programs the i7 can run. The Gflops obscure the nature of how CPUs and GPUs work. A specialized piece of hardware like the GPU will always have better Gflops -- if it did not, there would be no point to its existence at all -- but those Gflops are calculated only in a situation that is most favorable to it.

In the case of GPUs, this must be some task that can be split into a massive number of parallel sub-tasks (like processing pixels to make images). If you try to use a GPU for a single or dual-threaded tasks (except for gaming and video, these constitute the entirety of everyday computer usage), then first it will not work because nobody in their right mind would have compiled the application to work with GPUs, but even if you work around that, the performance will be utterly miserable.

AMD is not trying to kill the CPU and their claim is most certainly not that they will stop using x86 CPUs by 2015 (that would be insane). They're trying to merge the GPU with the CPU, just like Intel is doing with Sandy Bridge. The difference is that in all likelihood, Sandy Bridge will give you a superior CPU while Llano will you a superior GPU.

Sandy Bridge, Ontario and Llano will all have the CPU and GPU on the same die while the initial version of Bulldozer will not do (as far as I can tell, anyway -- not much is known about it). However, it's pretty clear that all processors in both desktops and laptops will eventually feature this.

Discreet graphics cards will go the way of discreet sound cards: you will still be able to buy one if you want (it'll probably work in tandem with the processor much like Arrandale does with Nvidia's cards), but since every computer will come with one, far fewer people will bother. This is a very good thing -- it might even bring about a revival in PC gaming since the install base will be everyone with a PC rather than just the people who shelled out $100+ for a discreet video card.

 

AMD Looks to Boost Fusion Ecosystem Through Investments - PCWorld Business Center

 

Very interesting points!

 

If Fusion means the death of discrete cards then I better be able to Crossfire APUs.

 

AMD based gaming notebooks with superior upgradeability. ;D
Cant wait for the tech of 2011, so many choices.

 

Maybe they need a dual or even quad cpu/apu socket board

 

AMD, ST Microelectronics to Detail Future Projects at Globalfoundries' Conference.

AMD's Fusion Processors Are Designed to Be as Fast as Discrete GPUs

 

AMD on Discrete Graphic's Future

 

ATI Logo to Dissappear

 

Calling the new GPU AMD Radeon HD 6000 makes no difference to me.
I think its a smart move to unify all the stuff AMD owns to a single brand.

Looking forward to AMD Catalyst 11.1.

 

Today is the day, Bobcat and Bulldozer detailed:

Engadget
PC Perspective
ExtremeTech
Anandech



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good news but i'm waiting for more solid stuff.. unlike ATI ,i can't trust AMD CPU stuff because they're always underperforming..

 

Acer might be the first out with an Ontario based notebook, launching this year: Link

 

ya it should be the case... acer usually is the first to release AMD notebooks..

 

Acer is too big a customer for intel to bully.

 

wow.. dell was also too big right?

 

And that is why Dell does not lead the industry in mostPC's sold per quarter any more, not for a couple years. Both HP and Acer passed Dell up, and both offer AMD options. Link

 

well after seeing how toasty AMD options are i'm not suprised that dell doesn't want to use that many.. but guys at least its third

 

Right, because 3rd is better than 1st. . . I don't see your logic. Just because AMD can't compete against performance based i7's and i5's doesn't mean AMD has no market. They thrive in the mid to low-end markets, where they offer viable alternatives which draw less power, cost less and perform the same, if not better. More people look for cheap notebooks/desktops that can perform daily tasks than expensive powerhouses.

 

Dell didn't use AMD CPUs because they were getting pushed around by Intel, Dell didn't use AMD CPUs because Intel paid them $4.3 billion not to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/business/23dell.html?_r=1

Dell was the biggest profiteer from Intel kickbacks...to the point where in 2007 76% of Dell's reported earnings were directly from Intel's rebates.

 

Dell didn't use AMD CPU's because they were inferior - and they got paid for using a superior product and providing it to their customers too.

 

No. This was back in 2003 and until 2007, while Intel was selling mostly Pentium 4s. AMD was dominant in those years; their Athlons were better in every way (except price). Once Core 2 Duos came out in the summer of 2006, the strategy was no longer necessary.

 

I think you missed the wink. It represents that tilleroftheearth was speaking tongue-in-cheek.

 

So anyone excited for Bobcat? Does anyone know if there will be a dual core version of it? From what I can understand, it is only a single core + gpu at the moment?

 

I think Bobcat is only the core architecture and Ontario with have 2 Bobcat Cores + GPU.

 

Great, I think dual cores should be the lowest standard by 2011. I wonder what price point these products will ship at.

 

A die of Llano's:

 

Ontario next to a coin:


9W Ontario for netbooks, thin form devices
18W Zacate for notebooks and desktops

[URL="http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3196]Bobcat vs Pineview die size[/URL]:

 

I so hope AMD kicks Intel's in the CULV/Netbook platform. Intel's new Core i CULV processors are worse than the CULV Core 2 Duos!

 

not really.. battery life is slightly less but performance wise , the i5 and i7 CULVS are way more powerful than core 2 duos..

 

Hmm, you'd think the TDP would be lower for both the single and dual cores, considering Bobcat is supposed to be sub 1 watt capable.

 

I'm noticing across the board 2-3 less hours of battery life on all the new CULV i processors compared to CULV Core 2 Duo ones.

 

They're both dual-cores.

9W is for a dual-core with an 80SPU IGP at 40nm...and initial reports are that Zacate will be the same but with higher clocks.

IFA - Specifications and pictures of AMD's Fusion - Hardware-Infos


I wouldn't have minded if Zacate did double up on the Ontario hardware though...a low power quad-core with a 160SPU IGP would make for a nice home server APU.

 

How much power does an 80 SPU GPU have?

 

Depends on the clocks and, since it's an IGP, the memory controller. Ontario's IGP will fall somewhere between the HD4225 IGP and the discrete Mob. HD5450.

 

Fusion is a pretty neat concept, but AMD needs to clean up their act and come out with more powerful solutions on the mobile market.

I applaud them for being energy efficient and all, but being a generation behind behind Intel in performance is a bit discouraging to say the least.

I would love for AMD to make a comeback with solutions that will rival Intel at least to a degree (even if the Intel solutions are still say 10 to 15% faster in contrast, it would be a worthy competition for a much lower price tag).

Right now, the AMD mobile quad core at 2Ghz is barely able to rival an i7 620m in multithreaded tasks, which is not a good thing because it's essentially comparing a dual core vs a quad core.

 

I don't know how many times it has to be said, AMD is not currently competing with Intel on a pure performance platform. They are trying to appeal to the mainstream, non-enthusiasts segment that doesn't need the power of an i7 or want to pay the price for one. In that regard they are doing well.