AMD Fusion Info Thread

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DDR3, DDR2 from your DM3z will not work.

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How does the cpu performance compare to the intel SU9300? I know gpu is better, but what about cpu(not talking about synthetic tests but real world day to day test)?

 

Should be about the same. The E350 performs somewhat worse in application benchmarks than the SU4100, but they're pretty close so I doubt you'll see any difference in real life.

 

So say I buy an x120e in two weeks with 2x 1GB SO-DIMMS.

I buy 1x 4 GB SO-DIMM to up the RAM to 5 GBs. Will I get a performance hit since the memory SO-DIMMS in the computer aren't equal? I know in the early days of Intel GMAs there was a gigantic (something like 10-25%) performance hit when you put in unmatched pairs of memory into a computer with the Intel GMA.

And also, this is kind of unrelated, but how much battery life do you gain from a 5400RPM HD compared to a 7200RPM HD?

 

Err what about my SU7300 in my Latitude 13...only difference I see between that on the SU9300 is like 100 MHz..

I mean the Acer Aspire AS5253-BZ602 with the E-350 and 6310 GPU feels just as fast as my Latitude 13.

 

I really like the X120 and would like it more if it came with Llano(and was a tablet), but I am pretty sure the better gpu(not sure by how much) is going to make up for the the slightly slower cpu, no?

 

Is Llano expected to compete with Sandy Bridge? What is the predicted battery life, performance, and graphics performance relative to the market today?

 

Llano is not intended for tablets or small form factors -- that's the domain of Brazos.

Relative to Sandy Bridge, the CPU is expected to be worse while the integrated GPU is expected to be better. Not much is known about the battery life or the magnitude of the differences.

Because Llano is based on the same crippled K10.5 architecture as the current 20W+ AMD laptop CPUs, I expect the CPU performance to be much worse than Sandy Bridge and the battery to also be worse, but this is speculation -- AMD may have done something clever in addition to the die shrink. The GPU should be substantially better, perhaps as much as a factor of 2 relative to Sandy Bridge (but this is again speculation).

 

Well if there is full voltage i core cpus in 12in devices like the X201t or HP 2540, why not in a slightly smaller 11.6in device? So, is Brazos like AMDs ULV(maybe even LV) competitor? And how does that compare to Fusion and Intel ULV(either C2D or i core)? Thanks.

 

What would be the next model up from E-350? E-450? And is the GPU dx11 capable/enabled? What about overclocking abilities, will that put it over the ulv 1.4ghz cpu in my X360 from Samsung?

 

There isn't yet. E-350 is the current top-of-the-line Bobcat based APU. It is a dual-core 1.6GHZ with a 500MHZ 80SP GPU, it is DirectX 11 capable, but that is only in name only. DirectX 9 games will run on it at decent frame-rates. If you're looking for better performance, wait until next year (when quad-core 28nm Bobcat-Enhanced APU will be available) or for Llano based APU sometime in 2011Q2.

 

Will these quad-core models be seen in 11-13in(not those large Dell 13in) devices? I also take it Llano would be better than Bobcat?

 

No idea, all I know is that AMD has them listed on their roadmap for 2012, 1-4 28nm "Krishna" cores.

 

Look for that in 2012, from both Intel and AMD:

 

Bulldozer Goes to 11 | Business Blog

 

@Phinagle, dear god I hope not. Just when there's a light of hope that AMD has finally gotten heat under control, and then:

I seriously hope they're not going to be hot like previous generations. :\

 

Yeah I noticed that too, hopefully AMD doesn't go back to the 2006-2009 era of super hot processors. I doubt they will, there's no reason to.

 

Maybe then I should wait and see what Intel, and/or AMD brings out in the quad core lower price 11in-12in devices, pref convertible tablets. I take Wichita would be the quad core model? Now would it be wrong to assume since these chips would be a 28nm battery life should be pretty fair? I think I can wait if that means a 11in quad core tablet pc, and maybe by then IPS and AFFS screens will catch on more.

Out of curiosity what would the Intel equiv be referred as?

 

That seems to be for desktop and server Bulldozer cores, which we have no idea how hot they are (I'm guessing since some are rumored to be 95W, quite well). Additionally I don't think you'll see many laptops with those in them (I'd imagine 0).

@coldmack, I'd imagine they would have good battery life (much like current AMD "Bobcat" cores). I don't know if Intel has posted its 2012 Atom plans, but the 22nm Ivy Bridge processors are in a different league altogether.

 

Yeah that what I was asking for a comparable low power quad cores either LV, or ULV. I had some unfavorable experience with Atom netbook so a quad-core Atom doesn't really sound that tempting to me.

 

So is Zacate and/or Krishna/Wichita cpu AMD's ULV/LV competitor or is like their Atom beater?

 

It is more of an Atom beater, but apparently the E-350 does nearly (key word) as well as their old K325 in CPU performance, but much better in graphics performance, battery life and thermal characteristics. Krishna/Wichita are a year away, and as far as I know AMD hasn't disclosed much about them... beside 28nm, 1-4 cores.

 

Atom beater really? Because I heard the gpu is suppose to match the SB gpu. That is pretty impressive from what people tell me.

 

They're being a bit facetious here: there's almost certainly a temperature-based cutoff. I don't think they'd fry the chip rather than shut down Turbo Core.

 

There's no implication that Bulldozer will run hot in that quote, it only states that the Turbo function will not be influenced by external temperatures. There's also the key phrase "if you choose" which suggests Turbo will offer some user control....possibly through AMD Overdrive, and similar to how desktop HD6900 have power limiters.

 

Will AMD offer a 2.0ghz version the Zacate cpu?

 

I'm in the market for a Fusion 12" machine... Was looking at the HP DM1Z, but now Im reading that it has an issue with the fan staying on all the time. Can anyone confirm?

Really, I like to Toshiba better.. I guess Ill just wait and see.

 

There is a dm1z thread, probably will find more information there. Also which Toshiba model? Asus has the 1215B, MSI has the U270. Both of which are 12" fusion powered machines.

 

Lenovo X120?

 

Well that is 11.6", I thought he was being very specific... If we're going with 11.6" as well there is the Sony VAIO YB, Lenovo x120e (and S205 if not in North America), and probably a few others.

 

It seems to me that the new Zacate E-350 CPU is less powerful than the Neo L335 dual-core, but the GPU is more powerful, is this true?

 

That is correct. The Neo will be faster clock for clock (and hence overall), but the Fusion GPU is better.

 

So what is more important when running Hulu fullscreen 720P, the GPU or CPU?

 

Well I looked up the MSI model and google said it was 11.6in, or is that wrong?

With the latest flash I think both, as it supports gpu acceleration now, but in the past it was generally only dual core cpus(not sure about the lower end models like the ULV Celeron dual core of the SU line) that were able to play flash HD video.

 

It is probably right, I just read that it was 12" but they were probably rounding. Are there any 12.1" laptops out there yet beside the Asus 1215 series?

 

Thanks brookedale1 and gdansk,

A 11.6" machine is fine. I am just wondering if it might be better to wait a couple of months for the bugs to be worked out of these new fusion machines. I was very impressed with the heat difference in a post I saw on this thread, but I can't have the noise of the fan going all the time.

I am also looking for value though. I like the quality of Toshiba laptops. They are solid. That's why I mentioned them. I am open to suggestions though. Thanks again.

 

Hmm.. Im also looking at the Asus and Lenovo 11.6" machines. Is there a site with comparisons of all the current 11.6" options?

 

I was a bit intrigued when you said Toshiba, as the only Fusion powered models they have are 10.1" and 15.6", I was hoping for an 11.6" or 12.1" Toshiba powered with AMD Fusion, but I haven't heard any rumors of such a device at the moment.

So far all the AMD Fusion powered 11.6-12.1" that I've seen:
HP dm1z (11.6", E-350, shipping)
Asus 1215B (12.1", not shipping yet)
Lenovo S205 (11.6", not shipping yet -- maybe never in North America)
Lenovo x120e (11.6", available for order in February)
MSI U270 (11.6", not shipping yet)
Sony VAIO YB (11.6", available for pre-order on Amazon)

I'd imagine almost everyone mentioned by AMD (Acer, Dell, Fujitsu, Samsung and Toshiba) are working on something in this category... just will have to wait a while. If any one else has seen names and/or specifications for other (11.6-12.1") models powered by AMD Fusion, let me know. Thanks.

 

vaio yb or hp dm1z, which is better?

 

Hi... Vaio Yb Or Hp Dm1z? Which Is Better? Thank Q!

 

Any 13" fusion laptop with usb3.0 and backlit keyboard yet? Anyone could overclock the APU?

 

Honestly, AMD is budget at this point and USB 3.0 just adds cost to the laptop for an addition that only 5% of the people would use. Most people don't know the difference between USB 1.1, USB 2.0, and USB 3.0.

 

I think the MSI U270 willl have USB 3.0, but the glossy screen ruins it for me.

 

Asus Eee Pc 1215B have 2 x USB 3.0 and 1 x USB 2.0.
IMHO, this is the most complete notebook/netbook, as long as one doesn't need optical drive.

BTW: it looks like all Fusion based platforms will have SATA-3/SATA-6Gbps.

 

LLano coming soon Thanks to 22nm Intel Ivy Bridge coming so soon:

 

AMD Confirmed to Release New CPUs at CeBIT, Probably Bulldozer Chips - Softpedia

MSI WindPad 110W eyes-on (video) -- Engadget

 

YouTube - AMD Fusion APU Llano in a Multi-Tasking Technology Demonstration

 

Wow I forgot about this thread. Llano quads are looking good!^ So the 6620M is integrated graphics?

 

Put a dual core Llano in a 13in notebook or tablet with a matte screen(along with SB like battery life), & I am sold.

 

I'm quite impressed, I just wonder how well its near idle performance will be, because simply put, that is what matters for me.