AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

You miss the point. Above six cores, all processors go down regarding gaming, even Intel's! That is why, if gaming is the whole purpose for you, this is irrelevant. You make it sound bad, but compare a stock 6900K or 6950K, you'll see the same thing as AMD! Educate yourself!

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Question if there will be a four core version with high cpu-clocks? These eight core monsters I do not know how are we gonna benefit of them other than video encoding which can utilize all CPU cores. If so and will be there a four core version and will bring similar performance in gaming than the above mentioned Core i5 at same or lower power consumption, than I will agree with you.

 

There is a quad core, but NO comparisons of that to skylake or Kaby lake have been done. Now, there is a way to get a benefit for above six cores, so long as you have a custom loop or water chiller. What you do is put all tasks on the two cores with the weakest performance by setting affinity in task manager (don't know if AMD allows, but Intel does. It's just been awhile since my last AMD). You then set the six cores to run your game. Then all background is done on the two cores while six are dedicated solely to your game. But, if gaming is your main thing, the quad core is your goal. But, considering there are zero comparisons to Intel quad cores, amd either has a slower chip, or is trying to do a Hell of a surprise. I'm guessing is the first one.

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We just have to wait and see... Nothing is certain yet, CES is about 2 weeks away anyways!

 

Does anybody know if there will be Ryzen laptops any time soon? I've seen leaks of quad-core Kaby Lake laptop specifications and the Pascal gaming thread even has a laptop for sale (in India) so it's a pretty safe bet that they'll show up in January. On the other hand, I have not seen anything at all about Ryzen for laptops. I think Intel has basically stopped trying and is in dire need of serious competition so I'd strongly consider a Ryzen machine. However, my current laptop is half-dead so I would prefer to upgrade soon.

 

Ryzen is their desktop chip. Different name if you are taking mobile. Except for Clevo and msi, no one does lga, so you are likely talking a BGA chip which is in a VERY different class compared to ryzen...

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Thank you for the clarification. I thought Ryzen was the name of the architecture (much like Kaby Lake which includes both desktop and mobile chips), but it looks like that is actually Zen. So, with that in mind, when are Zen laptop chips expected to be out? To make it even more explicit, I'm interested in AMD's competition for the Core i7-7700HQ.

Since they haven't even announced them yet, I suspect it won't be any time soon (or maybe they're planning a massive surprise for CES).

 

Those will likely be announced soon as well

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http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/100807-cryptic-rumour-points-air-cooled-amd-ryzen-hitting-5ghz/

 

LOL! Last Easter egg of the year.

 

I'm a bit skeptical myself but I reserve judgement when final hardware is out. CES this year is going to be fun. No more super fridges as the headliner, please.

 

If it does 4.6-4.8 on air without tweaking it (so the auto-OC), on all threads, then AMD has a winner on its hands. But no use speculating with so little time left. Also can't wait for Vega!

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Do not expect much better processing performance difference with this new low entry Kaby lake BGA i7 vs. Previous gen trash from Intel. Even if AMD push out a low entry BGA model to compete with Intel, you would be disappointed http://laptopmedia.com/news/exclusive-first-intel-core-i7-7700hq-benchmarks/

 

But, if the 8 core is a beast and is a 90-watt class chip, if it does well in dual and quad chips as well, AMD mobile bga chips may outperform Intel bga chips.

Also, if the 5ghz 8 core chip on air is true, Clevo may need to take a look. But we'll know in a couple weeks...

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/notebooks/42386-raven-ridge-zen-apu-2h-2017

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"It is becoming clear that the desktop version of Ryzen will put Intel under a lot of pressure in the high end market, but it remains to be seen if the architecture can scale down to lower TDPs and let AMD compete with Intel’s highly successful Haswell and Kaby Lake Core i7, i5 and i3 based notebooks that have been shipping for quite some time".

Spoiler: Don't expect.... from BGA

Trash is Trash!! AMD or Intel BGA doesent matter brother!!

 

My comment on Clevo meant lga amd chip. The BGA was just to mention to the other that Intel bga trash may fall away to amd bga trash, if amd bga trash scores in the 4ghz like our lga chips. Considering we are using 90W chips now, if the 8 core 90W chip can match our clocks and have extra cores on air... If thin and light bga trash amd out clocks Intel thin and light bga trash...
Also, no one has been able to discuss the quad core desktop chip. If the 8 core hits 5ghz on air, how far does a quad core go?

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In any case... Do not expect more than about the same performance from 4 core AMD BGA vs Kaby lake refresh processors Core ix 8000 series low TDP BGA Turds in the 45 Watt TDP range. 4 Core AMD or 6 core i7 BGA... DOESNT MATTER!! http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...lake-refresh-will-be-core-ix-8000-series.html

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/6-...oing-mainstream-in-2018-with-coffee-lake.html

 

I doubt that it would be the 8 core hitting 5Gigs. Maybe it was a hint for the quad.

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT. We are yet to see RX-480 from them.

 

If it is the quad, depending on IPC, it would be a skylake competitor, but Kaby would likely win.

As for Clevo, they do what people buy and until recently, amd had little to offer. For video cards, Intel has been trouncing, but when amd had good offerings, they supported it. Meanwhile, with only them and msi using mxm slots, having brand allowed hardware has started limiting things.

I was saying quad core lga, which has received practically ZERO news coverage.



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I don't think quad core lga from Amd will make my interest. And same will it be for Clevo. I'm sure 6 core i7 (Kaby lake-X) will be the next big in Clevo. I will not buy a new Clevo now. Too much happening in the background from Intel - Amd. If Amd being a successful cpu, I will expect Intel wil rush out new tech before time.

 

If they are supporting kaby-x, that is skylake-x socket/chipset, meaning support for the cannonlake-x, meaning panther replacement. That even interests me (especially if quad channel memory support in it).

What interests me, if boost does do very well, is that "fabric" used to increase efficiency, which is not currently used by Intel on any chips. But once out, if not under patent, it is only a matter of time for an Intel equivalent or license.

But, as you said, there are lots of behind the scenes going on by both parties right now, plus Intel may be pushing up/changing road maps to compensate with that and GloFo moving to 10 and 7nm in the next couple years, meaning zen+ will be at cannonlake and they may get to 7nm first with the zen based design...

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If Clevo will use Kaby-X... They could lock out bigger chips with Firmware. But a 112w chips would also be a better choice than quad-cores as today. I'm about 100% sure Hexa core will be the next in similar socket models of laptops like P870 we have today, because low powered 6 core BGA Junk is soon in the JokeBook's. Clevo can't skip Lga Hexa core in their biggest power beasts. 6 cores i7 is the future for all laptops now.

 

Firmware can be fixed! ;-)

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Say this to us former AW owners Fully and truly locked... like a +80 years old virgin Imagine a fully locked 45w Hexa core BGA i7 in all the Apple thin JokeBook's!! What a waste of your money Noo. Can't be a waste for Intel. They got rid of the not useful silicon!! They sell it for max price!! And people buy it gladly

 

Thanks for the link, although it is extremely disappointing. I can't wait another six months: even if this machine lasts that long, it cannot play games at all in its current state and gets very hot even under a moderate load. Unless AMD revises this plan at CES, Kaby Lake it is.

 

Process Lasso can do this automatically.

Also, I'd say hexacore is the best choice for pure gaming *IF* it clocks as high as, and has the same IPC (or around it) as the existing quadcores. Octocores is bleeding into productivity work no matter how you slice it; games simply won't touch them at all for the most part. But I'd say hexacore is the minimum for anyone who's a heavy gamer (especially with 144Hz)

 

So, story was true. The reviewer got 5ghz on air on the 8-core cpu... But it was only on one core. But it was also an early production sample.



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Not bad, I guess with a simple AIO cooler, 4.5-5GHz should be possible on all cores .. anyways we'll know in a few days

 

Exactly. Now we will find out this weekend what it looks like at CES. But, the IPC is Haswell/Broadwell-E level, meaning Skylake-X may beat it with lower speeds...

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But if AMD can push Intel hard enough now, we may get a pleasure from it at the next crossroads Hope also AMD can do it against nGreedia Only proper competition can force a change to the better

 

Well, the next part is to find the average OC on air of Ryzen and skylake-x. If it hits higher speeds, it may cancel out all ipc benefits comparatively.

Also, amd is doing 0.25 multipliers on these boards (confirmed by the original source of the story). So that could help teetering scores on OC...

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I'm going to put on my Optimistic Hat. AMD has major hardware coming in Ryzen and Vega, while "smaller" projects like FreeSync 2 (which doesn't appear to be free anymore, losing one of its major advantages over GSync) and others look to add/strengthen their revenue streams. My hope is that they have learned from some of the hard lessons in the past and come out stronger. I don't think they have a chance with Nvidia but they might be able to cut Intel at the knees.

 

AMD claims that would get four gens out of Ryzen and would push for improvements on each iteration. So, I read it as - AM4 would be viable platform for 4 years and hopefully 15% (more likely 10%) improvement per generation. That's pretty sweet considering how things are going with competition (even if you get the first and then the last gen, that would still be quite the upgrade). More here.

 

I read that last night. I've been waiting for certain stats to come forward before I posted. Considering the F3 version of the chip is 36/39, it leaves it open for the F4 revision to be clocked a little higher. This means that the flag ship black edition will likely beat broadwell-e 6900k straight up with those clocks (which some have suggested a $499 price tag on).

If the boost to 3.9 or higher is all cores (they didn't specify that when mentioning the 3.9 boost), it may OC very well. Also, some have suggested 28, others 32, pcie lanes, so I need a final count, especially since msi is promoting an x370 board with 3x16 lanes for sli/crossfire on one of their boards...

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Where did you find that info about the msi board? I only found listed 9 models/4 brands motherboards and no info about them. And yes, we'll have to wait to see for certain. I usually try to stay away from rumors, but it's too damn tempting

 

@triturbo - Check out this board: http://wccftech.com/msi-am4-x370-motherboard-ryzen-cpu/

 

So has AMD not launched this yet? The article says that it will be March 2017 till anything comes out.. Wasn't there anything more shown at CES about this?

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AMD confirms all RYZEN processors can be overclocked

"AMD also announced that there will be several Ryzen models, models with perhaps 6 cores as well as 4 cores"
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-confirms-all-ryzen-processors-can-be-overclocked.html

 

So far, CES unveiled 3 things: 1) they are doing a hard release, not a soft open, and that it may or may not be in the first quarter (they'll push if needed to have volume on release day); 2) there will be multiple variants for each core count and an F3 engineering sample had 36 base, which beats Intel for all cores on 6900K and likely beats it at boost even with any difference at IPC, and that the F3 boosts to 3.9; and 3) motherboard super show, showing the offerings for the chips, while offering no clarity on pcie lanes, which I find ****ing amazing no journalist can ask that question our get a straight answer.

I'm keeping an eye out. Just as important is what triturbo pointed out on the four year life cycle, which the articles discussing this make sure to mention that this doesn't rule out process node shrinks, rather they will be refining the architecture during that time. Implicit is that the motherboards may be able to work the entire four years, which would be nice if you didn't have to get the 2019 AM4+, but you still have the issue of them adding new new features and hopefully quad channel...

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Hahaha, you noticed that too? You should know CES is all about showmanship and "Look it's shiny" tech. It is normally the smaller companies/booths that show innovation (damn Amazon's Alexa is everywhere). I was looking forward to picking up a NUC but I wanted to see if/when a company could offer one with Ryzen.

 

Well, I know it's about showmanship, but I still expect journalists and bloggers to know what to ask and how to push for answers.

As to Alexa, you know that it can record ambient noise and concession when activated, that Amazon keeps those recordings on its server, AND that federal law enforcement has already in a case received a warrant for those recordings. In other words, you are putting the equivalent of a government listening device in your home. Just saying...

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I had high expectations for these journalists a while back but these trade shows have turn most of them into extensions of press releases. I understand the majority of these products are not ready for "reviews" at this point but the NDA's keep a lot of the answers to the questions we would have asked, tucked away.

My response to the Echo and the rest of the digital "assistants"... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/police-ask-alexa-did-you-witness-a-murder/

 

AMD Has Ryzen!


Hands LITERALLY On AMD Vega (Ryzen)!


AMD Ryzen Platform Top 5 Features

 

MSI to manufacture 20 different model RYZEN motherboards
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-to-manufacture-20-different-model-ryzen-motherboards.html

Spoiler

"You have already seen a good number of photos on a AMD AM4 X370 motherboard models a few days ago. New info reached us that MSI will be manufacturing roughly 20 different models motherboards for AMD Ryzen processors.

This obviously includes the three main chipsets for socket AM4 Ryzen compatible processors. The fact that MSI is going all in confirms that they have strong believe in the new AMD processors, and face it from all info that has surfaced, everything certainly is looking good. This years CES mainly was all about Ryzen news wise. It looks like AMD is on track for a release late next month. Fingers crossed, as once these processors and platforms actually have been tested by valid media + we know actual pricing, we'll know for real what AMD has got to offer.

For us mainstream to enthusiast class PC DIY and gamers the X370 chipset series will be the most interesting. X370 will see USB 3.1 (Gen2) support at 10 Gbps with combined several normal USB 3.0 ports as well as four SATA3 ports for X370. These boards will also get two SATA express ports. The chipset will offer eight PCI-Express 2.0 lanes. The processor itself supplies PCI-Express 3.0 lanes.

Obviously motherboard manufacturers will add additional SATA3 and USB 3 controllers from ASMedia etc to make these motherboards as advanced and versatile as you are willing to spend on them. And yes, I do predict some RGB LED activity as well.

With a X370 chipset and a Ryzen CPU nets you 32 lanes of PCIe connectivity, two USB 3.1 ports, and ten USB 3.0 ports.

That's certainly not bad, but it puts the AM4 platform much closer to Intel's regular desktop machines than the Broadwell-E setups that come to mind when we talk about 8-core processors. Correctly the latest news is that there will be Ryzen 8-core processors with a 3.6 GHz base frequency and 4.0 GHz Turbo on a 95 Watt TDP."

AMD AM4 Motherboards For Ryzen Processors Unveiled – Powerful X370 Designs For Enthusiasts, Desktops With Ryzen Ready
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-am4-x370-motherboards-ces/

Spoiler

"AMD has unveiled new high-end AM4 motherboard designs which will support the upcoming Ryzen CPUs. The new motherboards were showcased a few hours before the Vega event where AMD is expected to unveil a lot of details of their next-generation GPU architecture.

AMD Ryzen / Summit Ridge Platform Ready – Full Showcase of 16 Brand New AM4 Motherboards
The AM4 motherboards displayed consist of designs utilizing the X370, B350 and A320 chipsets. ASRock, MSI, Biostar, Gigabyte, Maxsun revealed their motherboards at the event. There were also several system builders who displayed PCs featuring AMD’s Ryzen processors. These PCs will be immediately available when Ryzen is introduced in Q1 2017."

"“2017 will be an unforgettable year for AMD, its technology partners and the PC industry as a whole, and we’re thrilled to kick off the year at CES by showing wide arrays of high-performance motherboard and PC designs from our OEM partners for whom the future is Ryzen,” said Jim Anderson, senior vice president and general manager, Computing and Graphics Group, AMD. “AMD and our partners are committed to supporting enthusiasts, gamers, and creators with a new generation of computing innovation and choice through AMD Ryzen processor-based motherboards, custom-built PCs, and coolers built to support these impressive systems.” via AMD"

"Motherboards built by various AIBs will be aimed at the PC DIY market with loads of CPU and I/O features. General availability of the high-end boards is expected around February / March 2017. Let’s take an in-depth look at all of the chipsets:

AMD X370 For Enthusiast AM4 Motherboards:
First up, we have X370, a high-end chipset for overclockers and tweakers who need robust platforms. This chipset provides the ultimate low-level control to its users and delivers ultimate graphics card bandwidth. By bandwidth, AMD is referring to max PCI Express lanes as this is the only chip in the stack that supports multi-GPU functionality. The chipset supports both, CFX (CrossFire) and SLI. Features of X300 series chipsets include:

• Dual-channel DDR4 memory
• NVMe
• M.2 SATA devices
• USB 3.1 Gen 1 and Gen 2
• PCIe 3.0 capability"

"AMD has mentioned two full x16 (Gen3) lanes for GPUs. AIBs can add additional lanes through a PLX chip but that would add to the cost. X370 features full overclocking support with a very sophisticated GUI that will allow the best overclock tools and experiences. Since all AM4 CPUs have an unlocked multiplier, record breakers will definitely put X370 boards to the test on liquid and LN2 setups. The X300 series motherboards AMD displayed at the event include:

• ASRock X370 Taichi
• ASRock X370 Gaming K4
• Biostar X370GT7
• GIGABYTE AX370-Gaming K5
• GIGABYTE AX370-Gaming 5
• MSI X370 XPower Gaming Titanium"

"AMD and its motherboard partners today debuted a wide array of new motherboards from ASRock, Asus, Biostar, Gigabyte, and MSI, all built upon two upcoming desktop chipsets for AMD Ryzen processors: the X370 and X300. X370 chipset-based motherboards are designed for those who need the most performance, cutting-edge features, and superior I/O connectivity from their PCs including support for overclocking 1, and dual graphics. For users looking for performance in a more compact size, the X300 chipset also features an AMD Ryzen-ready AM4 socket while utilizing the mini-ITX size ideal for small form factor PCs. via AMD"

" AMD B350 For Mainstream AM4 Motherboards:
AMD B350 is the mainstream chipset and offers the most value in terms of I/O and functionality. This chip offers lower lanes compared to X370 since AMD believes that most users don’t go multi-GPU in this segment. Aside from that, the chipset does retain overclocking support for all AM4 CPUs that will be offered in the future. This chipset replaces the 970 and A78 platforms.

The AMD B350 chipset features 70% power reduction over its AM3+ predecessor (5.8W vs 19.6W). The latest DDR4 memory controller also offers 22% more bandwidth compared to DDR3. Following is the list of all B350 chipset motherboards displayed by AMD:

• ASRock AB350 Gaming K4
• ASUS B350M-C
• Biostar X350GT5
• Biostar X350GT3
• GIGABYTE AB350-Gaming 3
• MSI B350 Tomahawk
• MSI B350M Mortar"

"Some general features of the AM4 platform is that it offers new I/O capabilities. We are looking at faster DDR4-2400 MHz memory, PCIe Gen 3.0, USB 3.1 Gen 2, NVMe and SATA Express support. These features have been missing on AMD platforms for a while but it’s nice that AMD is finally making a proper comeback with modern feature support."

" AMD A320 / A300 For Essential and SFF AM4 Motherboards:
Next up, we have the low-end chipsets for the Promontory stack. The A320 is the essential platform for plug and play users who just want their PC to work with decent capabilities. This chipset replaces the 760G and A68H based platforms. Most of the features from B350 will be retained but there will be no overclocking support on such motherboards. This chip has 4 PCIe Gen 2 lanes and 1+2+6 (USB 3.1 Gen2, USB 3.1 Gen1, USB 2.0) support."

"The A300 is the chip designed for Small Form Factor (SFF) computers and generally, HTPC builds. This offers the ultimate power and space efficiency in the entire product stack. This is a new chip that has been exclusively built for the SFF niche. A300 has limited functionalities but will be extremely cheap and allow for great SFF setups.

• ASRock A320M Pro 4
• GIGABYTE A320M-HD3
• MSI A320M Pro-VD

AMD is also working with 15 cooler manufacturers to deliver new 3rd party thermal solutions right in time for Ryzen’s launch. At launch, Noctua will be providing their flagship NH-D15 cooler and silent NH-U12S coolers with full compatibility for the AM4 socket. Similarly, EKWB will also be offering full support for the AM4 socket by offering a large number of liquid cooling solutions."

 

I apologize in advance if its been mentioned but is there even a whiff of a rumor for laptops carrying ryzen?

 

None yet. Currently clevo is the only one who might attempt it on AM4

Ravenridge details are sketchy atm, all we know is it's going to be a 4 core cpu + Vega apu

The CPU performance is going to be lesser than 7700hq :/ most probably

 

We don't know what the four core can do! Meanwhile, if it is less than a 7700K, there is no reason for them to make a version for a quad, although, the same socket can hold the 8 core variant (not as good for gaming, but great for encoding/mobile servers, etc.).

Also, Clevo hardware level disabled the iGPU, meaning that unless it could access the HBM2 as a fourth level of cache/ram, you wouldn't get it with an apu! Just letting you know that...

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Thanks guys, shame. So my options in the future are 7700k in a laptop or BGA? at least until any details point us in that direction. My fiance is starting to itch for a replacement of her GE40-2OC and she doesnt want to repeat being stuck on a BGA laptop.

Hopefully some day the RX 470 will actually get some reviews unless I missed it...Anyways was hoping I could get a Ryzen + RX 470 laptop for the ol' lady. Guess ill have to dash those hopes? lol

 

I just quickly skimmed the last 6 or so pages in this thread - the holiday's were very busy... - and a question for those following Ryzen more closely; is there really anything (concrete) to get excited about (yet)?

Yeah; honest question.

 

Honestly not really, i expect the 8 core ryzen will be little faster than a four core Intel and only if we run video encoding or such a stuff.
The only exciting thing, which hopefully is coming an APU with four ryzen cores and a vega gpu.