AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

I just subscribed to it, so I'll keep AMD here and collect the rest there (except what is useful for comparison purposes). Thank you for starting the thread!

Edit: Nvidia presentation 5/30 11:30-12:30 Taiwan time = 11:30-12:30 pm EST tonight!

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Intel's massive 18-core Core i9 chip starts a bloody battle for enthusiast PCs-Pcworld.com

"Intel and AMD have a real fight going again, and we’ll have to wait and see who’ll end up on top. With Core i9, Intel’s just staked an aggressive claim to the high end of the market. AMD will now be forced to disclose the 14, 12, and 10-core versions of its Threadripper parts, as well as their prices. Intel’s laid down its cards, but the hand has yet to be played."

Overclocking is a huge focus
Not surprisingly, Intel’s not recommending that the new X-series parts be air-cooled. Instead, the company will sell the TS13X cooler, designed for the 165 watts and 140 watts of thermal design power heat the new chips will dissipate.

 

Does Intel even have Alpha hardware for these things? Will Intel now need to introduce their own CCX CPU's with these? Will the new CPU's fit into the same socket even if the same chipset as the lower core variants?

 

Courtesy of @ole!!! :
http://wccftech.com/asus-rog-strix-notebook-amd-ryzen-7-8-core-cpu/

 

For a laptop, that should be an awesome machine for productivity. Sorry we non gamer's can drool too.

 

Expect Crippled firmware. Ryzen 1700 can pull more power than nice OC'd 7700K. And you know what will happen in a thin chassis. Damn HOT!! The results... Yeah, you know.

 

Stock firmware on any laptop is crippled. Finding someone to help fix that is the key. But, you are definitely correct. I bet the cooling is horrible and they went too thin, meaning limits. But, a 3.7 all core 8 core laptop that can livestream 1080p for gamers that do that, this could hit Intel a bit in mobile! If it is so gimped you have 3.5 all, then it will hold less sway (but still some sway as Intel's mobile GPUs are horrible)!!! It is a 3.0 base, 3.7 boost chip, so we'll have to see how Asus messed it up soon enough...

 

Not all models can be fixed with unlocked firmware. And we will see even more secure locked down firmware!! See newer Alienware. You are doomed!! But if Intel still want push out 6 core 45W BGA... Then, You know Intel will lose against AMD

 

Insufficient cooling can never be fixed. It is pure horrible product design! And Intel will still push the BGA. But, if you have more socketed choiced, we still are moving in the right direction (even though Nvidia is moving it with Intel in the wrong direction).

 

Yeah, exactly. Nvidia claims in their statement (blog) that ODM's already make improvement in the cooling department for the new laptop models. If so... Why launch crippled graphics? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ecture-2017-2018.794920/page-35#post-10534238

 

@Papusan - Intel slide on pricing. This is the beat:


I'm rather unimpressed and feel the 12-core will match the AMD flagship on pricing. If AMD does the 10-core versus the 16-core on pricing, Intel will really feel the pain! Especially with the base on the 16-core being 3.5, meaning as the cores go up on Intel, it will be harder and harder to match the ThreadRipper offerings. But, just 16 more hours before the AMD event, approximately!
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8206/intel-introduces-x299-kabylake-skylake/index2.html

 

Those 7900x CPU's are due end of year or maybe even well past. So I wouldn't count on those prices till then.

 

One article commentator mentioned that this might be Intel recommending pricing so AMD doesn't do a blind bid and WAY undercut them on margin, while giving them months (up to 8 months) to reign supreme. Personally, it's time to see AMD's cards on pricing. If the yields really are 80%+, then let's hope for them to just smash Intel on pricing...

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Interesting article just loaded to HardOCP (they overclocked all CPUs to their max):
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/05/26/definitive_amd_ryzen_7_realworld_gaming_guide/1

Ryzen 7 about as good as overclocked i7-2600K for gaming. Main two takers are though: 1) If you're gonna do an AMD CrossFire GPU setup do not use Ryzen, i7-7700K gave a huge significant increase in framerates across the board. 2) If you've got a 144Hz monitor don't get Ryzen, go i7-7700K instead. We knew Point #2 already I think.

 

At least 8 months to reign supreme. Even then it is not unlike them to release in tiers so it may be a while before we see those top end bin products. By then alot can happen on the AMD side and the war may still yet continue.

I think they should do a sever undercut, make Intel lower the 6950 to chump change. It serves them right for charging us top dollar when they have been holding back on any real advancements till now.

 

I want the severe undercut as the argument for gaming is weak on these systems, so it is a non-starter. With a deep undercut per core, Intel's performance premium will be slaughtered. If they release more than one sku per core count, and the lower skus overclock like they did on Ryzen, Intel is in real trouble! ($330 for 1700 = 1998 @ $660 + MCM (that doesn't vary, fixed cost) and other features. That means the non-X could see as low as $800 for the 16-core, if rumors of lineup are correct. That would be 50% of the cost, which, if able to reach the same OC as the X, approximately, means Intel cannot compete. You would have to be brain dead to consider Intel for either the 10 or 12 core.

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Don't expect one of them will put too low prices. Intel will sell more chips and AMD know this. Better with some money in the bank than nothing Competition will never be so hard that they both will offer the chips for free

 

Free, I heard that.

 

Yes, but I'm not suggesting for free. I'm suggesting having the higher core offerings so low that unless you have a need for the IPC, you would be a fool to choose Intel. Some still will, but higher margin with less market share or lower margin with more market share. Remember, the Zen2 should be socket compatible, just like CL-X will be. By getting more on the platform now, you can increase on margin more for the 7nm product. I'd say that long-term thinking will serve them better. Also, it acts as a later **** block on CL-X, which will release before the 7nm chip.

So, there are many strategic reasons to do this aside from thinking short term margin. This is to really take the win.

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http://wccftech.com/gigabyte-x399-aorus-gaming-7-amd-ryzen-threadripper-motherboard-pictured/

So, the board has 64 PCIe lanes instead of the 44 on the X299. Did the rumors get the number of PCIe lanes wrong? Could AMD have 20 lanes over Intel? Only 12 hours to find out!

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It's exciting to read, but the reality isn't anywhere close to this.

A new processor isn't dreamt up overnight. This isn't Intel's response to threadripper... and AMD won't disclose 10, 12 and 14 core versions either - if they weren't planned for months already...

Intel is already lowering the prices vs. what was previously charged... this isn't Intel suggesting to AMD what to price anything. It is properly communicating with it's intended customers (most, of whom are not in this thread/forum, btw...).

If AMD has the hardware to compete with Intel and decides to give it's work away for pennies on the dollar; I weep for them. That is not a sustainable business model... nor a platform I or any of my colleagues would give real $$$$ for...

AMD needs to price their products fairly for the performance offered - anything less will win them online friends for now - but in the long run will also bankrupt them too (again...).

Yeah; we do have a fight again and I welcome it. AMD has made huge steps to becoming a real contender (but don't let that fool you into thinking it is pushing Intel around even a little, yet).

Winning the next dozen battles or more won't determine a winner in my mind. 2020 to 2022 is when I'll be re-evaluating what is offered by both and taking a serious look at their past few years and how they addressed any problems or concerns - that will be worth more to me than even a 50% CPU price cut or a 20% performance improvement (for either side).

All this posing and showing of limited 'specs' is rather entertaining right now. But nothing you can rely on for a $2K decision... let alone anything that starts multiplying exponentially beyond that (for multiple workstations).

When I can get actual Intel and AMD platforms that 'should' be effectively similar in most respects and within $500 of each other (on a $3.5K platform...) - then I can begin to decide which way to jump.

Right now? Theory, IPC spreads and the endless rumor mill is all anybody has to feed this multicore dream (at the consumer level, at least).

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-x399-threadripper-overclocking

Hopefully they will do a preview at the OC competition like they did for the X299 last night! Potentially over 5Ghz on 16-cores!

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If the Threadripper does do 5 GHz then it is over for Intel at least in the short term. Now if it requires liquid Nitrogen, that is another story.

 

I'm guessing liquid nitrogen. I'm praying they got rid of the 4ghz-4.2 limit on air. But, I am getting jazzed to see the performance numbers tonight!

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Rise of the tomb raider Ryzen patch! self.Amd
Submitted 7 hours ago by iDoNTADC
"Rise of the tomb raider has received Ryzen updates.
I get over 50% increase on FPS!"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6e670r/rise_of_the_tomb_raider_ryzen_patch/

[05-30-2017] PC Patch notes for patch 1.0.770.1 (Patch #12)

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11472/dell-launches-amdpowered-inspiron-gaming-desktop
Asinine comment on the "Right off the bat then, the specs turn out to be quite interesting. Instead of using Intel chips, the system will be powered by a selection of AMD processors, from the 7th-gen quad-core AMD A10-9700 APU on the low end to the more-powerful 3.8-GHz AMD Ryzen 7 1700 CPU on the high end. The choice of AMD’s processors makes sense for the low-end configuration given the budget pricing, while at the higher-end it’s an interesting show of faith on Dell’s part (though equally likely, they want to use the same motherboard throughout the line)." But, putting the snark aside, it is a shame on the GPU selection, but overall solid build for the pre-built mid-range ODM market. Dell getting on board is a good start. Let's see what else may come.

Edit: http://www.techradar.com/news/dell-unleashes-a-trio-of-new-all-amd-desktops-for-media-and-gaming

 

http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/36308/asus-introduces-first-ryzen-powered-laptop-at-computex-2017/

Looks like Ryzen is making it to laptops now. With 8 cores and 16 threads to boot.

Specs are:
https://www.techpowerup.com/live/images/Computex_2017/asus_002.jpg

Even though it lists just 4GB VRAM, I don't see a reason why they can't go for the 8GB one. Looking forward to a Ryzen/Vega combo one, even though I probably won't be able to afford it haha.

EDIT: The RX580 is only 65 watts so I'm guessing they had to downclock it.

 

the pricing are out for 7800/7900x

 

Pricing is out but until the hardware is available it may not affect the pricing of the ThreadRipper. AMD also needs to consider the cost of the main boards as well as these go into consideration when deciding a platform build. I anticipate the x399 boards may be priced higher as for the socket and extra PCI-e lanes and capabilities etc..

 

Potentially over 5GHz on 16 cores - maybe. But a little hard to do without an actual CPU populating the socket.

 

No one expects 5 on air, maybe LN. I would like to see 4 GHz or slightly better.

 

Yes, if AMD can get me 4.0 to 4.2, it is an instant buy for me. I really hope AMD provides information on 10c/20t. $600 would be great!

 

So, for those that follow benches, the demo of X299 last night gave 8 world records and 23 first place positions.

Let's see if AMD takes some back. That event used liquid helium, showing no or little cold bug/cold boot bug. Tonight may hold so much fun! ;-)

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Dell's RYZEN PC Presentation | Computex 2017 Highlights
Published on May 30, 2017
Dell presents the new Inspiron 2017 Desktops with RYZEN processor at Computex 2017 on May 30. It is FIRST EVER PC on RYZEN processor architecture from AMD! 8-core processor Ryzen in Dell's desktop called Inspiron 2017. This is the compact version of Dell's RYZEN PC Presentation at Computex 2017 5/30/17.

Dell best Computex 2017 offerings

 

what i mean is, pricing for the cpu is out, and we can purchase them by june 30th, up until 7900x i think

 

about 1 hour to go, so far there is no video feed on the live stream. TBH I do not care what I can get with LN, I care what I can get for home.

 

Well, they will be showing real life performance during the presentation. The overclocking event is after and comes later, if they do it. So, that is for need purpose only.

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[quote uid=130744 name="hmscott" post=10536804]75 minutes to go, no AMD reminder, but I think I found it, or at least the prep for it:<br /><br />Join the webcast of the AMD COMPUTEX TAIPEI 2017 Press Conference on Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10 p.m. EDT.<br /> https://www.amd.com/en/events/computex-2017[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /><br />this is the video URL from the AMD page you linked. Once it goes live, we should be able to click on it and watch it from here.

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Boring stuff, Epyc, Vega Instinct and now OEM's. Waiting for the good stuff. My one question watching this is how did Intel get so caught off guard? I mean their road maps would have been allot different to begin with if they anticipated such competition. As it is now they seem to reactive to a situation.

 

And here we go on the Asus ROG laptop:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/asus-rog-strix-first-ryzen-laptop

Looks like the system I want to get.
1700 (8 core, 16 thread CPU), 580x, etc.
NICE.
I was looking to get a comparable desktop actually.
If this laptop has those specs, I'll be buying that instead.

I think it might be a winner.

EDIT: On a side-note, I would have been ok with 1600 or 1600x as a CPU as well, but both it and 1700 have comparable TDP, except you get 2 more cores (which is always a bonus).

Couple that with 580x... and it really is good... but, I hope the 580x is at least properly binned for a laptop (meaning a TDP of about 95W to 110W - comparable to E9550).
I wonder how the cooling in the laptop was thought of.

Question remains on the price of course, but I think these won't necessarily be cheap.
They 'might' be cheaper than comparable units with Intel and Nvidia GTX 1600, but it depends by how much.

 

Suckage, no ThreadRipper release date, benchmarks or prices. Vega for FE has a release date, Vega for Gamer's end of July.

Edit; I am so disappointed. Almost ready to just build an Intel system. All hype for me has been deflated.

 

I am not sure what to think. AMD is playing their cards way to close to their chest. As @TANWare stated, no release date, benchmarks or prices. We won't know about Vega (consumer cards) until the end of July. Something is up...

 

Such blueage from that! They confirmed 64 pcie, up to quad crossfire on 16 lane slots, Vega, as you said, but not pricing... Btw, the blender ran in 13.xx seconds for that render, which is huge speed. But, I was expecting more. For the next couple hours, if at the show, they are doing performance stuff, so we may see more in articles.

But I WANTED PRICING! (As I sound like an impudent little boy).

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TBH, way too close. They should had been all over some real world benchmarks at the minimum and some better release dates. I was all hyped as there were supposed to be announcements over Threadripper and Vega and I know no more than before watch th entire presentation. Intel's reactive information is more forthcoming than what they are reacting too.

AMD just lost a major amount of respect from me at the very least. I am sure others that were expecting more are in shock as well.

Edit; 64 PCI-e has been known for a while. You could even see that from the x399 boards etc.. And no they were not violating NDA by showing them early.

Edit 2; you are right to want to know price and timeline. They seemed to be promising anouncements of just that to pull this. I have been Ripping Intel for this same thing, vaporware. if you can't get them out I do not want them. I will wait no longer so my plans now are to build a i9-7900. that should still do me and there is a date and price but that could change if AMD reverses in very short order.

 

Even I expected more. I thought when Su got back up, they'd show pricing and blow up Intel. They are doing roughly what they did with Ryzen, except this is the December Horizon show. That means they won't give the deets until end of July for an August release of TR. (Trying to give comparative, but man they are making me mad!). Let's hope they do allow people to bench TR there. If they do, at least that will make up for some of it, but not all.

I agree, cards way close to the chest. They may want to see Intel performance first with this month's release. But GDI!

Edit: blender test-- TR 13.04 seconds. Ryzen 7 @ 3.4 all cores = 35.57. So some decent scaling, although I want someone with an 8 core Ryzen 7 to download it and run it with the faster clocks and ram to get a better feel.

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My point was that the graphic shown was just Photoshopped at 5.05... and, there is literally no CPU in the socket.

 

I held off on a Ryzen setup based on Threadripper and now August or beyond, not happening. Because they are waiting they will loose quite a few potential consumers. I know I am one. If I have to wait till September or October for the supplies to become available for the best parts I may as well wait till end of year for the 18c,36t Intel variant.

My point was again no one expected 5GHz on air, I am sure the graphic was a teaser but who cares as there is nothing at all to back it up.

 

See:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11476/computex-2017-amd-press-event-live-blog-starts-10pm-et


So, August will be when some details get released about threadripper? Including when it will actually be released?

TANWare, doesn't look like Intel was caught off guard all that much?

I've made a post elsewhere (sorry, can't seem to track it now) where I state that Intel's so called 'response' to AMD isn't what is seemed.

After all, processors don't take a month or two to design, let alone whole platforms (CPU's, M/B's, Chipsets).

This was coming whether AMD showed up for the dance or not. Did it come earlier than Intel may have wanted? Possibly. But it wasn't whipped up in response to Ryzen nor threadripper, that's obvious.

 

I planned on waiting for, at minimum, a twelve core anyway. Intel won't have that until August. So, since I was going to wait until that same time either way, the wait isn't the issue on the cpu side, for me.

$1k-1200 is my tops, which I'm predicting is their top end 16C. The boards are equivalent. So, it is ram support and performance that I want to see. Then not giving that will lose some to the 10-core this month. But, considering 12 and up is what they are shooting for, we'll have to wait and see.

Also, Intel hasn't shown the IPC comparison, which I think they want for better pricing decision. It is just annoying at this point.

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Depending on which Core model you choose, the IPC comparison will highly favor Intel. With their 1MB per core L2 cache (a 4x increase...) they're expecting 30% over gen 7 models.

But once again: IPC means squat. The platform as a whole is what matters. Can't wait for summer to get here and autumn to be over!


See:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-eighth-generation-core-i7-coffee-lake,34578.html