AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

New AGESA to 1.0.0.6 was released. I updated today and was exited to see my Ram booted up at XMP settings. I have not had time to test with TM5 for errors and have to go to work but here is Cinebench and Aida 64 Cache & Memory. There seems to be no difference between the speeds I was getting before at 3000 18,18,18, 36 though. Nice to see they are supporting higher speeds though and working on it.

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57928/amd-ryzen-threadripper-16c-32t-3-7ghz-sample-teased/index.html

 

Microsoft has been promising to since Ryzen. But let's remember it is M$, the one that brought us Windows ME, Vista, 8, 10, & now creator's edition! So it may take awhile before it works. But, the fact they have said it publicly helps a lot...

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http://wccftech.com/amd-threadripper-1920-12-core-cpu-vega-16gb8gb-cards-leaked/

 

A 12c/24t TR chip is in my future for my personal AMD build and a Ryzen 5 or 7 for my girlfriend if she lets me. Believe it or not, she's still using the first and only DT I built for her from years ago. It has a Core2Quad Q6600 in it, hahaha.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...D2D90FEED34B6C5EB0BED2D90FEED34B&&FORM=VDRVRV

 

Every AMD Ryzen CPU TESTED on AGESA 1.0.0.6

 

I am not sure how real these are but doing a search for Vega these images came up.

Edit; added pics but nI should also state the EXIF info on these pictures is pretty bare except one with an author name and a D810 was used to photorgaph. That is the one with a watermark for accreditation.

Also the last pic actually looks to be like a marketing image not necessarily a real chip, but you guys decide.

 

aaaah, so much AMD goodness! how long has it been since we had that warm fuzzy feeling inside seeing a new AMD product line emerge? personally, it was with the first 7970M user benchmarks leaking here on NBR

 

The problem so far is it seems about everything is fall off from information from Computex. That now is getting old as the same things keep getting repeated in the news. Without fresh information to feed the machine people will start to loose interest.

Not having prices, benchmarks, release dates, and the like discussions are not being fueled. Decisions are starting to be made from the lack of information. Their holding information so close to the chest is actually hurting them in the long run.

 

Ha, I remember that, I remember thinking what no way, 5000 odd points in 3DMark11 in a notebook, no way!

 

I don't entirely know about that.
To me it seems like AMD is doing the same thing they did with Ryzen. I could be wrong though.

 

My issue is they took Vega for over a year already just like this, delay, delay and yet another delay. Ryzen has had some of it's own delays too. So until I see some much better results coming out of AMD I have to go by their history.

Edit; as an example if at Computex the x399 boards displayed had some actual chips and coolers etc I might believe they were in final testing of stable bios etc. It seems to me they are no where near market at all, in other words I am just not convinced and they are not helping the situation.

Edit 2; we are all getting excited about an Ailienware 12c,24t well see below as this was posted on 3/26.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56849/amd-ryzen-12c-24t-appears-excites-much/index.html

 

The 12c,24 T with the old one being Alienware too


I can't confirm this, hope you haven't had you daily intake of salt yet, but;

 

Some links to enjoy;
On the note below think eventually of a multi-port 10Gbps NAS with TR and the 64 PCI-e lanes
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11523/qnap-launches-ts1277-nas-with-amd-ryzen-cpus

At 4:10 the video is a computex of 2 systems running blender, not sure of the two systems as I had not seen this before.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...8AE771C86E62B2CB65338AE771C86E62&&FORM=VDRVRV

 

Interesting rumors about Vega:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57544/amd-radeon-rx-vega-nova-599-beats-gtx-1080-ti/index.html

but bearing in mind they are just that... rumors.

 

On this, see my argument of Intel forcing an HEDT board sandwich, with the comment that MB manufacturers messed with AMD launch back in March. If it is a repeat, I'm calling BS as the leaks suggest that they are one step away from final silicon, which is enough to get a good working bios. Also, they, by this point, should be stacking inventory for release, meaning MB manufacturers should have it. Meanwhile, they only showed 3 boards at computex, focusing on X299 instead. But, as gamers nexus explained, people want to know more about X399 and threadripper. I think MB manufacturers bet on the wrong horse!

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Don't care about who bet on what, I want product!

 

The only thing we can do is wait until we get a product launch.
I sincerely doubt that we will get much more info on Vega until it actually launches.

 

Expect info before time if the cards do it well And silence if the case is opposite

 

This is my worry with the TR right now. Will it actually deliver better productivity (and not just better 'scores' in inane bm's like cinebench)? Will it even come close to Intel's available performance? Is the price as elastic as some here think it is in a top of the line HCCP?

Will it even arrive in a reasonable time frame? From everything I've read... I was expecting reviews of it (TR) by now.

With all this secrecy from AMD right now, it isn't looking good from them - which means that if true, Intel could back down or postpone on their promises too.

Come on AMD! Deliver and Communicate! If you actually can. Stop playing childish games that may get you a leg up on your competitor, but lose you a million customers too for the next half decade. AMD: great on marketing pr/bs - not so much on delivery (yeah; not even Ryzen for me...).

 

I do not believe it will be more productive than a similar core count of an Intel chip. It more than likely will not be as good at 1080P gaming as Intel, but acceptable. I am of the same ilk, get us data to make decisions based upon.

 

Keep in mind, we will have data in a matter of months. Intel doesn't even have ANYTHING on the 14-18 core chips (because they are vaporware and won't be here until 2018). In fact, vendors at Computex didn't even see the 12-core coming in August. So, considering only the 10/6/4 core has been shown, primarily only in regards to LN2 or LHe performance, you've got about the same info on both (slightly more from Intel, but ONLY ON THE HARDWARE RELEASED IN ONE WEEK)! So why hold the two companies to different standards?

 

Agreed, this is why right now if I were to make a choice for Intel is would have to be the 10 core, x7900. Not two different standrds, if TR is here before the decision is made fine, but I hold no hope of that.

Edit; if I were to go Intel it would be a x7900 hopefully eventually at 4.5 GHz, and yes that would not be a TR but it would be more than a Ryzen 7 1800x as they stand.

 

This is why I'm betting/hoping for them to drop some info with the release of Epyc. Those chips will be reviewed, likely, just to understand whether or not TR will take a hit or scale well with infinity fabric.

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I'm curious what the Infinity Fabric performance hit is outside the CPU's, like when linking multiple CPU's.

That's where AMD hopes to scale well past 64 cores, on to 128, 256, etc.

 

Agreed, one of the reasons seeing further info on TR and even Epyc would be great but again they are holding it so close to the chest. I like the idea of TR, as many it seems do, but at what cost? It is so hard to make a decision except it is much easier to do so with known info.

 

Ryzen's issues with 1080p are entirely game related (meaning they lack optimizations)... and to make it clear, they are not really 'issues' since Ryzen already delivers more than enough performance at 1080p (and extremely close to Intel).
Besides, if people can afford Ryzen 8 c/16th... then it stands to reason they will be more likely to game at 2k at least, rather than 1080p - even with RX 580.

I see Intel being reviewed frequently at 2k or 4k... but not 1080p.
This 'fascination' with 1080p really needs to be put to rest.

Even Tomb raider got Ryzen optimizations, and those are just the beginning next to microcode updates.

As for Threadripper... aren't we getting ahead of ourselves here?
The product was barely announced not so long ago, and AMD said they are on track with releasing TR soon (late this month or sometime next month).
Intel won't have their own consumer Xeons ready until next year.

As for how much will TR deliver... probably the same compared to Ryzen in single core while delivering much higher multi-threaded performance (and of course with the option to OC - now, whether TR is able to clock higher than 4.0GhZ to say 4.3 or 4.5 remains to be seen - I'm a bit skeptical about it considering that those speeds are likely reserved for 14nm+).

given I do 3d studio Max work, would be nice to have 16c/32 threads working on rendering... alas, I will have to 'settle' for 1700.
:-D

 

Thanks for adding "Vega GPU's" to the discussion

 

this thread is my #1 source of ryzen / AMD info now. Thanks @TANWare and everyone

 

I asked TANWare to add it to the title because we already talk about Vega here, so lets make it official. Thank you @TANWare

 

Hm... looks like some kind of interesting deal between AMD and Dell:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3197...-alienwares-area-51-will-have-it-in-2017.html

I said 'interesting'... don't mean its necessarily good.
It still leaves the option to get TR in DIY systems (which is probably what most people opt for anyway), but locking out other OEM's seems like a bad move.
Or will it matter?

 

Links, come and get'm All Alienware for now);
http://pcworld.com/article/3197759/...-alienwares-area-51-will-have-it-in-2017.html
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...rds-and-monitors-plus-a-threadripper-area-51/
http://techreport.com/news/32085/ar...ition-abducts-every-one-of-amd-many-core-cpus
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/alienware-area-51-pcs-amd-231546290.html

 

Couple things in there. First, the 16 & 12 are confirmed and potentially released end of next month (when Vega is supposed to drop). Second, the ram timings are stable enough that an OEM is willing to ship all units at 2933MHz.

Then there is no timeline on Intel 12-core (no surprise).

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More importantly:

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With this latest info (above), an Intel based system with Optane Memory (which can be used with an SSD, contrary to what the articles say) is the best bang for the buck, imo, for productivity. It won't be a slouch with gaming either, btw...

Extreme Gaming? Well, if you 'want' more; TR seems to give that with the great PR info; 'all TR platforms will be overclocked' (yay). But at least the above opinions seem to indicate that in gaming they aren't needed (and I take that to mean in any current game).

With 45 days from the date of TR being available for ordering... and a mere 26 days later when the Intel Core X systems become available... ordering either of these Dell systems is asking for a world of hurt, imo. But not waiting for both to be available (including from other vendors) would be worse, by far. Sure; you can toss a coin and gamble to see how 'right' you might be, but... if you can gamble with $1.7K+... this discussion is not for you.

Whether AMD or Intel platforms at this price level (min $1.7K and up...); custom build your own if you want the maximum performance, features and flexibility going forward. This won't be a system only for July/Aug 2017... these will be the platform(s) that will take you past 2020 if a HCCP setup fits your needs 'today' and into the foreseeable future.

Thanks for the consolidation of links TANWare.

 

ThreadRipper isn't exclusive to AW

" Clarification: We've clarified our initial story, which overstated Alienware's exclusive access. Smaller boutique OEMs will indeed be able to build Threadripper-based PCs at launch."

The real worrisome AW Area-51 configuration is the Kabylake-X X299

I can't believe anyone would be so clueless as to buy one of those over a Skylake-X or an X270.

For just a slight bit of research more they could get a Skylake-X and reap the full use of all the memory slots and all of the PCIE lanes, and all the other X299 goodies that require a Skylake-X CPU to unlock them.

Buying a Kabylake-X has to be the closest current equivalent of buying an Edsel

 

It does not state Optane does not work with SSD's just that it is offered with HDD's. Sounds like a high speed Intel turbo cache, older mini pci tech, but we shall see. Also if you catch the pricing they will be offering up to the $1,000 CPU or looks to be the 10 core only. You are welcome for the links as I said confirmed to be available hardware is open for discussion.

 

The Optane cache is a slim shadow of it's future, and it does work in front of SSD's, and in the right application could really help with it's super low latency in front of the SSD. But, where Optane Cache shines right now is in front of 2TB+ HDD's, where SSD's get too expensive.

It sounds risky but a 32GB Optane cache and a multi-gigabyte HDD as a boot drive would work nicely right now.

Optane won't really stretch it's legs until it's several steps past use as a cache, past large sized PCIE x4 SSD's, and past DIMM slot use.

Probably well past x299 as well...

 

While off topic, Optane may offer better options for the future but this is a discussion for elsewhere and a later time. For now your assessment on the large HDD's seems valid as large even SSD cache structures have worked well in the past for HDD's. I hope it works well for x299 and hopefully we will see some help for AMD based systems with just HDD's.

 

Thanks for the articles and what they do tell us, by the end of July we will have TR. @TANWare I know you want to go with the best CPU for your money but if that date is anything to go by, I think you should wait until the end of July at least.

 

For me Optane is the only thing that makes Intel interesting, while at the same time Intel shoots itself in the foot by not providing enough PCIE lanes in all their CPU's to take advantage of Optane SSD's

AMD should be able to use Optane SSD's, Intel might just be silly enough to make that not work, but Micron can step in and fix that.

Ok, no more Optane SSD's talk until it comes out

 

I can't say I will be waiting that long but I am still open, AMD opening up a bit on info might help there.

 

I've already posted a link to a video where Optane Memory does intensely accelerate current platforms.

See:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-900p-optane-ssd-computex,34558.html

See around 1:30 in the video where a game loads in ~18 seconds vs. ~46 seconds...


There is nothing to wait for; we have seen.

And this is only gen 1.

The implications of Optane are far reaching. Just like CPU + RAM = Productivity (i.e. 'Work' done...), an Optane powered system is an order of magnitude faster (latency...) than anything we have today - more cores or not.

This is nothing like Turbo cache or worse; an SSD caching a HDD... It's the real deal.

The Optane version to wait for will be the 900p or later, in ~1 or ~1.5TB capacities or more.


(Btw, Intel confirmed that the Optane 900p will be available by the end of this year at Computex - sadly for us notebook enthusiasts in only DT form factors (to start)).

 

Again this is acceleration of HDD's, turbo cache etc did works as well too. Maybe not as fas as this stuff but again later on we will see excatly how much. If it is so fast thee is probably no need to use optane to accelerate an optane SSDD= as well. Again as it all hits market information will prevail.

 

Optane at this point is a distraction. When it does get to 256GB at current SSD prices then it starts to get interesting. when Intel gets optane into 1TB dimms , its game over of AMD , unless they come up with equivalent tech

Other angle here is Micron, They were supposed to have their own 'optane' which i'm guessing is cross platform

 

Within Intel Optane is ready for notebooks-desktops in normal size and prices... Maybe Samsung's Z-SSD technology is out. Not much info lately about this new tech, but we will probably see more later. Intel Optane will get competition.

SAMSUNG’S Z-SSD PCI EXPRESS STORAGE DEVICE FOUND TO HAVE 800GB OF STORAGE-Digitaltrends.com
"What’s important to note is Samsung’s initial description of the Z-SSD in August. “Samsung’s Z-SSD shares the fundamental structure of V-NAND and has a unique circuit design and controller that can maximize performance, with four times faster latency and 1.6 times better sequential reading than the Samsung PM963 NVMe SSD,” the company briefly explained."

Samsung Begins 3D XPoint Assault With Z-NAND SSDs And HybriDIMMs-Tom's hardware.com
Shots Fired
"Samsung's line of attack with the Z-SSD might help price 3D XPoint out of the market for storage applications. Combining the storage assault with lower-cost HybriDIMM memory alternatives will also provide additional pressure. The kicker is that Samsung based all of the new products on proven and mature technologies, which is important for the lucrative data center market that Intel and Micron are chasing."

Samsung points high-speed Z-SSD smack-bang at XPoint-Theregister.co/uk
"There could be 2TB and 4TB Z-SSDs in 2017. ®" This is as well as Optane too early.

Samsung Shows Off A Z-SSD: With New Z-NAND-Anandtech.com

 

If my right lung were better off I could aford to give my left one for them.

 

Yeah, but nothing wrong with 1080p 144Hz! And hell, 1440p 144Hz is just as hard to drive for the CPU, if not harder!

 

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 review-Guru3d.com

The Final Words
"In a previous review I've already stated that I feel the age of the quad-core processor is behind us. Testing the Ryzen 5 1400 does reconfirm my feeling. A six or eight-core processor simple feels snappier and faster with all the things we do simultaneously on a PC these days."

The RAW Performance
"Overall we like what we are seeing with the Ryzen 5. The performance overall lack a tiny bit at default clocks, bit hits a nice sweet spot when tweaked. Combined with a 3.4 GHz Turbo frequency the Ryzen 5 1400 processors still remains to be very capable. The technology arena is slowly transitioning to six or more core processors in the next 12 to 24 months. For those that are shouting four cores is enough, hey... we had the very same discussion moving from two to four cores, remember? So if you hang on to that thought for a moment, in this year of 2017 would you still purchase a dual-core processor over a four-core one? Nope, and along these lines you need to think as we need to advance in hardware, the software will then follow in this technological evolution."

 

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-specs-performance-leak/
New benchmark comparison of the TR 1950X versus a BW-E 16 core Xeon. Note how slow of ram was used. Intel had 2400MHz ram (normal, and doesn't benefit as much from fast ram) compared to AMD having 2133 (and greatly benefits from faster ram, with around 10%+ going to 3200MHz because of Infinity Fabric, which would be running around 50% faster).

edit:
https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/source-amd-to-launch-threadripper-in-august/
Release date rumor TR

Edit 2: https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/2217479
Here is an 1800X overclocked to 4.0. So take the WCCFtech bench with salt. The link they use doesn't work and the naming scheme does not match at all with any other rumors.