AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

Threadripper cant come soon enough

 

links;
https://www.lowyat.net/2017/135174/amd-announces-capsaicin-event-siggraph-2017/

 

You already posted this announcement...

 

Yeah, just another take or confirmation. not much NEW news as of late.

 

It's not going to get much better till after the Canada / US holiday weekend

 

http://segmentnext.com/2017/07/03/amd-ryzen-ddr4-speed-barrier/

 

That's awesome, finally some headroom for the Infinity Fabric.

 

I am really looking forward to some cool software updates for Ryzen, greater clock speeds and better utilization of RAM will be massive!

 

I want more info. So far, getting above 3600-3733 without bclk is not possible from what I've read. We have to remember, above 105mhz, most boards dropped pcie down to 2.0. So I just want a bit more, even if it is good.

Also, my M8E does 4K, but cannot run the XMP on my sticks. Meanwhile, the memory controller doesn't like being forced to 4000 on skylake. So it isn't that far behind. Sure, Kaby had more support, and possibly this years X-gen., but I still an waiting for TR numbers.

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From the article:

 

They have reduced it to one generation gap, which should be applauded. But, more will come.

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I'll applaud when it arrives and is vetted by third parties too.

 

EPYC Launch – The Ice Box
(a different view / presentation, not the same video)

 

A curious thought/question just occurred to me.
Will Asus ROG Stryx laptops with all AMD hardware have Ryzen with B2 stepping?
They are being released during the summer, so ... is it possible?

 

No. It isn't. The B2 stepping currently is only used in Epyc and TR. Ryzen Rx series is not currently slated for the stepping revision from what I have read regarding that issue, including people towing the line on their NDAs. So, who knows on the APUs, the Pro series, etc., but the current answer on the R7 1700 (edit: and 1700X and 1800X and 1600X, etc.) is NO.

Edit: a good discussion on this issue, which I've read elsewhere as well and talked to others about.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293130-Ryzen-Return-of-the-Jedi/page31

 

That's a shame.
Still, I would imagine that Ryzen on 14nm+ would certainly incorporate it, along with Summit Ridge APU's.
The APU's are slated to be released at the end of this year or early next year, so, it's anyone's guess if they will incorporate B2 stepping into those (but I would imagine they would since it's a work in progress and a much later release).

 

I would definitely leave the door open, as B2 had changes to I/O support and that may be needed for the integration of the Vega graphics unit.

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Please again stop the fighting, I had to do allot of mass deletions here. Not that there may have been some minor relevant info but you all both are contaminating the posts irreparably.

 

AMD RX Vega Official Launch Date!!

 

That is great for DIY's and boutique systems. We need to see in the market a flood of OEM systems. 9 out of 10 PC's purchased are such, with no representation on the shelves of desktops AMD will not get true penetration into the market share. Once this happens you will probably see AMD stock get a good lift.

The problem is as always, you can not buy what is not available for sale.

 

Level1 News July 3, 2017: In Japan, They Call It The Radeon Balrog
5:52 - The Radeon Vega Frontier Edition 16GB Air Cooled Review
12:28 - Radeon Loom

Spoiler: Full Index

Article URL's referenced in show:
https://www.one-tab.com/page/39lLV2myQ3OIwUnG3H9qLw

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Top 5 Best CPUs, Ryzen 3 & Threadripper In Mind!

 

Link, I forewarn nothing official about it. Also he claims (at 2:10) the TR does the Blender benchmark instead of 13 second but under 10. I tried to get a link or proof from him but it was a no go. I have had issues before with his stuff;




http://segmentnext.com/2017/07/03/radeon-pro-wx-9100/

 

This covers several vendors, but it's mostly about AMD GPU shortages due to mining.

How Manufacturers Feel About Mining

 

AMD RX Vega Benchmark Revealed & Compared | LEAK


Leaked AMD RX Vega Benchmark Reveals It Is Faster Than The GTX 1080
https://segmentnext.com/2017/07/05/amd-rx-vega-benchmark/

"According to the AMD RX Vega benchmark, the GPU managed to score 31,873 graphics points which is more than 4000 points higher than the GTX 1080. It is about double what the GTX 1070 scores. The GTX 1080 Ti has a lead with over 38,000 points. Still, the GPU is competitive and it all comes down to pricing.

It is important to note that the AMD RX Vega benchmark mentioned here seems to be an early leak and it is likely that the drivers are not optimized yet. Having that said it is likely that the final performance will be closer to the GTX 1080 Ti as compared to what we see here. Then again these are benchmark numbers and we need to look at real world numbers before we can make judgments.

To sum it all up AMD Vega could be 15% better than the GTX 1080 and 35% better than the GTX 1070. These are some impressive numbers but seeing how Nvidia has already introduced Volta for the professional market, Nvidia could release new cards any time it wanted to."

The article and the video come to slightly different conclusions how the mystery AMD card compares against the 1080 / 1070 / 1080ti... early leak, early drivers, unknown tuning, but it's "something".

Those AMD testers really need to get the whole "scores updated over the internet" thing figured out and blocked / disabled

 

AMD also needs to work a bit on their power consumption if this is accurate.
Their polaris line can be quite efficient when undervolted.
If they are doing something similar here, then it's quite possible that Vega can be undervolted much like Polaris was and lower the over power requirements without actually sacrificing any or some minor performance.
But then again, we know AMD is usually WAY ahead of Nvidia in compute performance, which is why their cards can have a higher power draw... but as I said, their GPU's don't come out optimized with power draw usually from the production line.

Even Fury X was successfully undervolted which brought power consumption within 10% of what Maxwell GPU's were using.

Then again, I am very cautious about Wccftech articles.
They are notoriously unreliable and have a history of posting unverified information and jumping the gun.

At the very least, this article makes the possibility that the scores could be wrong and we should wait for the final Vega release.

 

It's not a wccf article, but I'm sure they will cover it soon if not already. It's sourced from a Futuremark entry, I'm not sure who found it first.

Anyone can search the FM system, but I haven't looked.

Maybe it's time to start looking for more FM AMD "oops" entries

 

Gamers Nexus covers Vega RX / FE & Ryzen Pro, see left side of video for time / segment, first one runs from 00:54-03:47

HW News: Vega Expectation Reminder, QLC NAND, Ryzen Pro


Vega FE vs. Fury X Clock-for-Clock: "IPC" Tested

 

Ok, so the IPC test was disappointing to say the least because at same clocks in games, Vega Fe scores (with current drivers) identical to Fury X... indicating 0 increase.
Shouldn't we be seeing 'some' kind of increase if IPC was indeed higher?

But then, you go over to the PRO testing, and the differences are from 8% to nearly 8x increase in performance (depending on the usage).

This is a good indication that the gaming mode on this gpu is unoptimized (the PRO section of drivers also need more work) and practically none of the Vega gaming improvements seem to be utilized.

This does go to show we need to wait for RX Vega release with drivers that use all its features, and then we can compare differences.

There's also the fact that FE is a PRO card more than it is a gaming card.
Too many unknowns as of yet.

 

Not sure if this is new or not;
http://myhostnews.com/2017/07/amd-e...latforms-and-global-server-ecosystem-support/

 

I believe AMD GPUs uses CISC and RISC like processors. I don't know the exact specs that GPU processors employ. Nvidia uses bigger chips aka CISC in lesser amount so more space and more energy than RISC. AMD uses mixes both bigger and smaller chips that makes it suitable for gaming and mining.
Sorry I can't remember exact terminology that Graphics processors use. Very sorry.

 

Yeah; that's old. Here it is from the horse's mouth.

See:
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-epyc-datacenter-2017jun20.aspx

Including the appropriate CAUTIONARY STATEMENT and Footnotes that should be used to their logical end.

 

That new benchmark is a engineering sample, x370 south bridge, stepping 1. I doubt this one.

 

I'm not even sure it is an ES. The B2 was spotted on ES at or before March. I'm calling all around fake.

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And, again, this is what I say to that:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=A...rome..69i57.6582j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Someone is spoofing 1800x scores and presenting them as TR.
In other words, it's FAKE (in the sense that it's probably NOT TR).

 

So, x86 chips are CISC. ARM has RISC and CISC, but many are the former. Now, what makes the AMD graphics cards better for mining (at least in the past, the 1070 gives awesome value and great future processing on ethereum) was the brute power and due to changes made by Nvidia to the maxwell architecture, although their performance is so much further than polaris, it overcomes that by a good ways. And it's all good. What matters is the discussion...

 

AMD's Ryzen 5 1600 Skyrockets To No. 2 On Amazon, Passmark Submissions Increase
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-amazon-cpu-1600,34926.html

"Just in time for the Fourth of July, AMD's Ryzen 5 1600 rocketed from the No. 5 spot on Amazon's bestselling CPU list to the second place position over the weekend, unseating Intel's Core i5-7600K. "

 

I found this passage interesting:

Just goes to show that all these 'indicators' are as good as garbage at predicting what is actually going on.

Just like I don't believe AMD's sales are flat, I also don't believe that Intel's sales have taken a serious hit (yet). Gut feeling...

There is room for both in the market right now.

Do all the amazon sales and passmark scores/submissions get adjusted for systems that were bought and subsequently returned? Probably not.

 

Benchmark R 290x

 

RyzenWatch, Can It Push 240 fps?
Mostly a build video...

ASUS Strix X370-F - The Perfect Ryzen Motherboard?

Ryzen 1700 Mini-ITX Build & Benchmarks w/RX 580

Gaming PC Build and Setup 2017 w/ AMD Ryzen 7 1800x

 

Yes, the video showed Ryzen being able to push >200fps for the most part in Overwatch & CSGO, but he didn't test other games. If you want to base a PC build around high refresh rate gaming you're still better off going for an Intel i7-7700K and overclocking it to 5Ghz.

 

A 7700K and a GTX 1080 TI too. The idea here is can we have a 240 FPS gamer with 6 cores we can use for other things as well. The user has to decide if this compromise would work for them.

 

Yep, I agree (compromise to be had).

 

Some more 'reports' on Vega performance if you can call them that:
https://ocaholic.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=16760
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58363/amd-radeon-vega-fe-crysis-3-46fps-average-1440p/index.html

If the gaming and PRO mode offer 0 difference in terms of drivers, then isn't that just more evidence to support the idea that the gaming side of Vega is anything but optimized or ready?
Usually there are quite a lot of differences in performance between the two... PRO cards don't do as well in games and gaming GPU's don't do as well in PRO software.

Vega FE might be different if the hardware is identical between the GPU's (sans of course VRAM size)... in which case, AMD needs to optimize gaming drivers and make them to work properly when switching between modes.
I still maintain it's too early and not necessarily viable to use Vega FE as a 'baseline' for gaming since right now, it doesn't really perform any better IPC wise than Fury in games, but is FAR superior in PRO software in comparison.

I guess we need to wait and see.

On top of that,we need to take into account that AMD might be pulling another Polaris on us by releasing a GPU with inflated voltage to increase yields, resulting in higher TDP's (well, that and the fact that the clocks might be pushed to levels where efficiency doesn't show (which begs the question... why were they able to tame the efficiency and optimize voltages on Ryzen from the get go, and why is their GPU division having the issue doing the same?).

Infinity fabric isn't going to be used on GPU's until Navi arrives if I'm not mistaken, unless they do a Vega refresh with it.

 

Some next level stuff right here! Can't wait for the results lol

 

What they should have done is been more patient. You drill the holes like they did, but you get a copper shim to use, and reuse the large original sink that went into the card. You attach the heat sinks to that and rig up a fan to blow either on or across those sinks and you should have a nice final product. Just saying...

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AMD Capsaicin Siggraph 2017 July 30th - FREE Tickets!!
by Advanced Micro Devices
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LOCATION
The NOVO
800 W Olympic Blvd A335
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" DESCRIPTION
Experience the art of the impossible in person at AMD Capsaicin SIGGRAPH 2017.

On July 30, learn about our newest additions to the Radeon™family featuring the cutting-edge Radeon™ “Vega” architecture. Hear from our partners on how AMD’s product lineup is revolutionizing the creative pipeline, leading industries from entertainment to engineering into a new era of precision and performance.

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6:30PM PST - Doors open

7:30PM - 8:45PM PST - Formal presentation

8:45PM - Midnight PST - Demos and reception

AMD will have a booth located at #301 on the SIGGRAPH exhibition floor, where visitors will be able to see professional workflows powered by Radeon Pro graphics products."

 

VEGA doesn't have cold slow!

 

Holy hell, this means, you can to infinity and beyond! This is huge man, huge in the AMD world!