AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

Could you elaborate?

 

Aside from tiling, one of the things they admitted to doing is introducing a primitive shader as a bypass. That is a similar change to why Maxwell lost raw compute, but jumped in fps for games. Now, here, software may not be optimized to use the bypass, meaning it is being rendered on the traditional shaders. That means lower game performance, but monster performance on professional tasks. Another possibility is the primitive shader was not put on the FE at all, meaning no way to get that extra performance.

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I've decided on getting the TR 1950X even if I only need 10c/20t. I really hope we get some better boards though. With less than three weeks to go, I was hoping for a little more information. Also has anyone seen an EATX x399 board?

 

Pretty sure it is EATX, 6 slot.

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Edit: https://rog.asus.com/articles/maxim...ming-for-amds-monster-ryzen-threadripper-cpu/

 

I'm hoping a TR 1900 / 1900x 10-core is a big step up from the Ryzen 1700 / 1700x / 1800x, for close to the same price.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_threadripper

 

If the 1900x exists it would also be stepping 2.

 

It will be. It is 2 cores per CCX, as is done by the 16 core Epyc. All improvements in that line will work on that basis. You get the speed, full access to the 32MB L3 cache, 64 pcie lanes, and quad channel. It makes sense...

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Links;
http://techreport.com/news/32262/arctic-cooling-liquid-freezer-aios-stand-ready-for-threadripper

 

Because of a pfsense/freebsd build, lack of funds (long story, things come up), I'll have to plan on the chiller at a later date. Looks like I'll get another 360 AIO (I'd get a 480 if they made them). I still wish they made a bigger base plate for surface contact, though.

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I am of the ilk to wait a bit.

 

I'll wait for the MB reviews, but I've roughly decided on the chip. $120-140 for a second 360 AIO isn't too bad of a startup cooling cost. But, I'm repurposing my 6700K to do a freebsd based machine with 8 ports, a squid cache service, antivirus, and firewall router. So, network security is important to me and this provides better features than the small business components, with continued update schedules.

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Which AIO are you using currently?

 

TT (thermaltake) water 3.0 ultimate (360mm) with 6x Noctua iPPC 3000 fans in push/pull. It has my 6700K running 4.8/4.7 [email protected] under 70C (full stability under multiple high power consumption stress tests). In fact, you can go to hwbot (same user handle) and check the temps I get while running 5.0 and 5.1 ghz overclocks using it.

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Edit: sorry, only one has the temps on it. Here:

 

Shoulda just looked at your sig, lol. That's a beast.

 

If I can do that with a quad core on an AIO, I'm pretty sure I can do decent with most hardware. Intel disappointed on the HEDT this round, so I'm looking forward to seeing what I can do with Ryzen. If I don't use an AIO, I'll pick up a full cover plate, a pump/res combo, and a 480x120, then put that in push pull. I think with just VRM and CPU (and chipset if they are included in the full cover blocks this time), that will be a good start. Have to just verify if I can afford it (costs came up and ruled out the water chiller to start, although it will come). Meanwhile, that intel rig, sans the Trident Z, will find a new life as a super router/firewall/squid/AV. Figure 2xquad port Gb NICs using PCIe 2.0 x4 slots should have enough throughput for the LAN and WAN (overkill in fact, but will support medium to large enterprise features I couldn't get if I sold the components and purchased those items separately for my network, especially based on costs).

 

None of the built in ones (like the Maximus) support chipset yet, I don't think. But I think I saw an EKWB that does.

 

Well, we haven't seen a need for chipset since around X99 boards, which did include it. That is why I'm leaving it open until I see what EKWB and Bitspower drop (they produce full cover blocks, not that they are the best water blocks out, although they are quite good).

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Buyer Beware! Reports Of Fake Ryzen CPUs Popping Up On Retail Sites
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-fake-cpu-amazon,35027.html

by Steven Lynch July 17, 2017 at 4:10 PM

"There are a number of reports of fake Ryzen processors being sold by third party sellers on retail sites such as Amazon and eBay.
Although this is the first time we have seen fake Ryzen processor for sale, the scam isn’t new. In the past, we have seen counterfeit Core i7 processors sold by reputable retailers, as well as fake AMD A-Series A8-7600 processors making the rounds on Amazon.

In this case, it seems the crooks behind the caper used low-cost Celeron processors for the scam. The process works something like this: The scammer buys a handful of legitimate high-dollar AMD Ryzen 7 1800X processors, scans the CPU heatspreader, and then prints a sticker and applies it to the face of the fake CPU (in this case an old Celeron processor). The scammer returns the counterfeit processor to the box, reseals it, and then sells it on eBay / Amazon. This type of scam works because the counterfeit processor looks authentic from the outside of the package.
Sometimes, the fake product is actually meant to scam the retailer.

As some of you are aware, retailers often place returned merchandise back in active inventory and resell it. It could also end up on Amazon’s Warehouse Deals site, after which the fake product ends up in the hands of a retail customer.

It's unfortunate that these things happen, but there are a few things you can do to prevent falling victim to this type of scam. Avoid third-party sellers on sites like Amazon, Newegg, Wal-Mart, and others. Pay for purchases with a credit card or services like PayPal that offer hassle-free refunds."

 

hmscott, yeah this is old news already. Buyer Beware should be a continual 'act', not just when a scare pops up for the masses.

See:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6nh0k2/another_faked_ryzen_large_scale_fraud/

 

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Build w/ GTX 1080 Ti - New 4K Rendering PC

 

RX Vega, Budpest report:

RX Vega Price Hint?!


AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest
http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/108055-amd-rx-vega-pitted-nvidia-gtx-1080-budapest/

AMD RX Vega Shown Against GTX 1080 at Budapest Event
https://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_rx_vega_shown_against_gtx_1080_at_budapest_event.html

 

EPYC Webcast
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6o28cu/epyc_webcast/
https://www.pscp.tv/AMDServer/1eaKbmEwypQxX

vaevictis84 50 points 1 day ago

"Watched it for a bit, heard Forrest say they were 'very confident' (I think, audio was very low) in the upcoming 7nm process and that they have been working on Rome (Zen 2) & Milan (Zen 3) for quite some time already. They didn't reveal any of the changes, but overall they sounded quite confident in the future products."

 

https://videocardz.com/71002/asus-gigabyte-msi-and-asrock-to-detail-x399-motherboards-on-july-25th

@Rage Set, @TANWare, @triturbo, @hmscott

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http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58486/asus-rog-crosshair-vi-extreme-announced-ready-ryzen/index.html

Crosshair 6 extreme incoming. $350

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Yup, on July 25th there is an AMD Partners briefing on x399 motherboards, so a lot of information about the x399 boards should be released.

Reddit pulled down the July 25th AMD Partners x399 announcement someone put up recently:

Meet the experts - X399 Motherboards - July 25
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6o0g6j/meet_the_experts_x399_motherboards_july_25/

Here's the Reddit thread about the July 25th releases:

ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI and ASRock to detail X399 motherboards on July 25th
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6og3sv/asus_gigabyte_msi_and_asrock_to_detail_x399/

AMD Ryzen Threadripper X399 Motherboards for July 25th!
https://www.eteknix.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-x399-motherboards-july-25th/

" Ryzen Threadripper X399
AMD’s Threadripper is officially being launched early August. Beliefs are that AMD will reveal the performance and final details of Threadripper, at SIGGRAPH in 10 days time. Of course, having a high-end processor is all well and good. However, if you don’t have a motherboard for it to go into, it is irrelevant.

AMD is working hard alongside its partner’s to provide new X399 boards for the platform. Currently, there have only been for X399 motherboards to date. These are offerings from ASUS, ASRock and Gigabyte.

However, MSI has indicated they are working on the platform too although no information is revealed yet. There is a high chance that we will see multiple M.2 slots and higher PCIe lane numbers due to the high support for more PCIe lanes of Threadripper.

AMD will be hosting a special episode of their monthly ‘Meet the Experts’ on the 25th July. Be sure to tune in at 9 AM (GMT-6) or 3 PM GMT Time. The show is expected to last 45 minutes and we are to believe that the X399 lineup will be revealed."

 

That board does look promising. How many power pins / connectors does it have?

ASUS X399 ROG ZENITH EXTREME: 2 x 8 pin.
ASRrock X399 TAICHI: 1 x 8 pin + 1 x 4 pin.
Gigabyte X399 AORUS Gaming 7: 1 x 8 pin + 1 x 4 pin.
ASROCK X399 Professional Gaming¨: 1 x 8 pin + 1 x 4 pin.

The ASUS X399 ROG ZENITH EXTREME looks like the top dog so far, with a heat pipe leading to the VRM's:
https://rog.asus.com/articles/maxim...ming-for-amds-monster-ryzen-threadripper-cpu/

Asus X399 ROG Zenith Extreme ThreadRipper Motherboard Debuts At Computex
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-rog-zenith-extreme-x399-threadripper,34650.html

Hopefully all the details will fall out between July 25th and July 27th when the ThreadRipper releases

 

That board is for the AM4 and I thought I saw 2x8 pin. Plus, it usually has a power connector for the pcie, but we'll see.

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From the Asus Crosshair Hero VI Specifications page, it's got 1 x 8-pin and 1 x 4-pin EATX 12V Connectors:

1 x 8-pin EATX 12 V Power connector
1 x 4-pin EATX 12 V_1 Power connector(s)

ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO, Specifications:
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/specifications/

So far only the Asus X399 ROG Zenith Extreme ThreadRipper Motherboard has 2 x 8-pin CPU power.

 

It very well may be that the engineers caught the need for more power and cooling for the CPU / VRM's early on the x399:

"The Zenith Extreme board hosts a 2x 8-pin EPS12V configuration, deviating from AMD’s reference spec of 1x 8-pin + 1x 6-pin (typo?, should be 1x4-pin), and also features 1x MOLEX for GPU power.

The board seems to run an 8+2-phase design, with yet-unspecified power components. From what Gigabyte told us, a 6-phase Vcore VRM did not provide sufficient performance, pushing the Gaming 7 to an 8-phase design for the production model. ASUS seems to agree with this for its flagship."

ASUS X399 Zenith Extreme Threadripper Motherboard Specs | Computex
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2941-asus-x399-zenith-extreme-threadripper-board-computex

ASUS X399 Zenith Extreme Threadripper Motherboard | Computex


There are videos on x399 in this thread, check the other pages too:

Computex 2017 - Events, Announcements, Video, Articles...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ts-video-articles.805342/page-8#post-10538155

ASUS Zenith Extreme
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6ogye0/asus_zenith_extreme/

 

EPYC™ Facebook Live Tech Talk: Scott Aylor, Forrest Norrod, Kevin Lepak


The "official" cut, posted by AMD...

 

Ryzen 1500X 1600x & 1800x Retest Review

 

This is an odd one, MacOS vs Boot camp Windows + Nvidia 1080 / AMD RX580 vs Radeon Pro 560 (internal) - eGPU.

MacBook Gaming Still Sucks in MacOSX

 

ASUS X399 ROG ZENITH EXTREME motherboard unboxed
https://videocardz.com/71009/asus-x399-rog-zenith-extreme-motherboard-unboxed

Spoiler: Photo's

" ASUS X399 ROG ZENITH EXTREME

Well, it appears that first press samples are starting to reach reviewers. This is the first known X399 motherboard in the wild. It appears like a retail product, as everything is in place. The bundle seems to be full and this motherboard sure does come with a lot of cool stuff.

If you look you look close enough, you will see Threadripper CPU on the second picture

ASUS X399 ZENITH EXTREME is the top tier motherboard based on AMD’s first HEDT platform with TR4 socket. It comes with WiFi antennas, PCIe ethernet card, VGA holder, ASUS DIMM2 extension card, LCD screen and four reinforced PCIe slots.

This is currently the only X399 EATX motherboard (which is wider than ATX)."

 

Noctua TR4 vs. AM4 heatsinks

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Noctua-TR4-Socket-Cooler.jpg

Noctua Heatsink Protoypes for Threadripper TR4/SP3 Sockets and AM4 CPU Cooler shows at Computex 2017


Can You PASSIVELY COOL a Ryzen 7 CPU?

 

Jesus Christ those things are ungodly large!!! Goliath of a heatsink.

 

Some more 'gaming' benches of Vega FE and nvidia GPU's@
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-r...rks-bf1-assassins-creed-unity-sniper-elite-4/

What baffles me is that FE effectively surpasses Quadro P5000 and P6000 in PRO software and costs MUCH LESS in comparison to BOTH GPU's (even FE liquid cooled edition is by $1000 cheaper vs P5000) and can be undervolted to reduce power draw, heat emission and of course keep the 1600 MhZ turbo clocks where they are for as long as the user needs them... its gaming performance however does not reflect a same uplift right now though... and I am really hoping that its' not because AMD simply die shrunk Fury and overclocked it (because AMD could seriously use a good boost in GPU high end division).

What are your thoughts on this?

 

My thoughts is watch Jay-Two-Centz from yesterday (Morning Jay with coffee...derp). As he mentioned, the fire pro he had is basically the gaming card with different firmware, but you saw the same thing back with the 7990 and the fire pro, so just chill for now.

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Hardly upset.... anyway, saw the video and all, and yeah, pretty much says that gaming performance has (at least historically) went up while compute went down with a simple bios/firmware/driver change... even though the hardware is the same.

have to wait and see how RX Vega performs of course once released.

 

Sorry, I meant chill as wait and see, relax, not thinking you were upset. The rest was to address other videos saying Vega is crap. Sorry, once again, if I gave offense there.

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Lol, don't worry about it.

 

CPU Talk 2017 Ep. Infinity - News on Intel's Coffee Lake - AMD & GloFo 7nm & Intel Dogs Itself?!?
AMD discussed throughout, but mainly starts at: 13:30

 

RX Vega at PDXLAN 30 7/23/17

 

Ryzen Chief Architect Interview: Micro-Op Cache & IPC Gain

Asus ROG Crosshair VI Extreme Review

 

So, evidently this is the TR box...

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"I do...."

 

This may be one of the best boxes I've seen for a CPU! Great marketing on it!

 

Maybe AMD is saying... "I see you..."

 

The Eye of Sauron is the first thing I thought of when I saw that case. It's much wider in circle and many distinguishing features from it, but...

 

First thing I thought of was a Ryzen (rising) sun! (Even though it does probably look more like a SETTING sun!)

 

And with the fearless chieftain holding it.