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Does the word <That>... Mean now or past in English?
I know the article is old
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It means at the time the article was written or the time it is written about, "that" was true.
It's also means "now and forever" it is true for that point in time.
That's, that.
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HeHe, +rep
Nice learning how English works.
FYI. Intel could just release 7960x and still have the fastest cpu. There was no need for 18 cores this time, but hey, they was scared enough to make it
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It's a title, you can think of it as a teaser, or click bait for the article, to get you to read it's specifics contained within. It's meant to elicit an emotional or intellectual response quickly.
Any title that works on your desires or preconceived ideas is meant to be a draw in to read the article.
"AMD Ryzen Threadripper: The Fascinating Story Behind The Processor That Beat Intel"
The subject is AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper, and the title draws you in with one of the controversial side effects of being that subject, that it Beat Intel.
What did AMD Beat Intel on, or with? Read the Article.
You both assumed it was speed or performance that AMD beat Intel on or with, but it didn't say that specifically in the Title, did it?Last edited: Sep 29, 2017 -
That's what a title is, to interest the potential reader into picking it up and reading the content. A title is far too short to tell the "whole story".
If a title told the whole story, what would be the point of writing more content?
Getting picayune over a title term, rather than discussing the actual content, tells me that someone hasn't actually read the content. It's a waste of our time, and deflects people from actually reading the content links posted, and instead waste time over nothing.
Next time read the article and then contribute to the illumination of the knowledge it contains, add information you have to add, rather than P&M over the title.
"To delve deeper into Threadripper's origins, I spoke to some of AMD’s big guns as far as Threadripper was concerned; AMD Senior Vice President and General Manager Jim Anderson along with Corporate Vice President of Worldwide Marketing John Taylor ,who have both been heavily involved in the Threadripper project; also Sarah Youngbauer of AMD’s communications team, plus James Prior, who’s AMD Senior Product Manager and closely involved in the Threadripper inception.
Forbes: What can you tell us about Threadripper origins and how it came to be?
Sarah Youngbauer:
There’s a unique story surrounding Threadripper, but one that gives testament to the spirit that’s emerging in the company as we go through this transition since 2014 when we announced our Zen architecture. It’s not really a story of roadmaps and long-term planning or huge R&D budgets - it’s a lot more personal than that and stemmed from a skunkworks project and a small group of AMD employees who had a vision of a processor they’d really want in terms of a high-performance PC.
They worked on it in their spare time and it was really a passion project for about a year before they sought the green light from management, which is quite unusual – it was something they really cared about. The result, several years later was Ryzen Threadripper, which is the world’s most powerful desktop processor. Without this group of people Threadripper may not have happened."
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" Forbes: James, you were part of the original team that came up with the idea. What’s your take on it?
James Prior:
Myself and a few others were in a very cross functional team that get together for various different projects and as we got the first hints of what the Zen core performance and efficiency were like and started looking at the internal roadmap, which is a constantly changing thing and noticed a gap between Ryzen and EPYC. Certainly, something that stood above Ryzen with more memory bandwidth, cores, PCI-E lanes. To get to this product, which sounded great to us as enthusiasts, we found we’d only have to change a few details. So we put together this skunkworks team where we had platform architects, people that deal with core design, business unit, marketing team, to work out how to use what’s already here and to go to the boss – Jim Anderson and say we’d like to do this. This was all happening in 2015.
There were lots of late nights, calls, Skype messages and between-meeting conversations where we’d see what progress was being made with Ryzen and EPYC that might be useful to Threadripper and quickly discuss ideas. The cardinal rule here was not to go against the grain. So the 20 or 30 of us spent more and more time working on it until eventually when Jim came on board from Intel and we found out he was an actual CPU enthusiast, this was perfect for taking the project forward."
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" Forbes: So, were Ryzen and EPYC the only two processors planned?
John Taylor:
That’s correct. The existence of the EPYC server CPU enabled us to create Ryzen Threadripper, but Threadripper was not part of the original 2017 AMD product roadmap. That only included the Ryzen 3, 5 and 7 ranges of 4, 6 and 8-core CPUs, plus versions of EPYC ranging from eight to 32 cores. Interestingly, some of the original team behind Threadripper joined AMD from the press, with a critical and appreciative eye for PC hardware from years of reviewing a wide range of products. This perspective was core to creating the Threadripper concept and product definition. It is very much a CPU made by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts. The story behind it hasn’t really been told before as we announced and launched Threadripper this summer in a very short period of time. Before May 2017, no one knew it existed, and by August it was in people’s hands, but it’s a very good example of the company AMD is today."
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" Forbes: I’ve been impressed not just with Threadripper’s performance, but also its memory compatibility and stability out of the box, which was much better than Ryzen’s launch. Some teething issues were to be expected of course, but you seem to have learned lessons here.
John Taylor:
There was a teeth-cutting that we were going to have to work through with Ryzen’s launch as the first all new CPU core and platform in some time – a whole ecosystem had to be built around the platform. However, we worked hard to solve the problems, blogged and posted consistently about our progress, and provided regular BIOS updates for motherboards. We built this work in Ryzen Threadripper from the start, so the product launched with a strong stable ecosystem and high-speed memory support."
And, there's lots more...
The content is far more interesting than the title, don't you think?
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IDK, that seems like a loser, the first in a while from Nvidia.
The RX 56 OC'd beats a 1080, so that 1070ti is going to have to beat Nvidia's own 1080 to make a difference.
I guess like any Nvidia GPU it'll sell, but it's not an AMD "killer" without killing it's own 1080
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I know what their theory is, all you've said, but in reality Nvidia now have 2 1080's at different pricing and 2 1070's at different pricing, 4x the buyer confusion from only 3 cards
It's not going to make a choice easier, and there will be splinter groups arguing the merits of 3 Nvidia cards at both price / performance points, where AMD will have 1 clear choice, the RX56 that beats them all.
Then all AMD needs to do is get shipping quantity under control, and buyers can OC the RX56 to beat all 3 Nvidia GPU's, the 1070, the 1070mkII, and the 1080. For less money, and no confusion.
The 1070 Mark II is a dumb idea. Except it does get us talking about Nvidia instead of AMD
A small price drop for the 1080 and 1070 would have been enough, with maybe a commensurate price drop for the 1080ti. It would have cost less overall than coming out with a new GPU with the market spending less on Nvidia GPU's either way.Last edited: Sep 30, 2017ajc9988 likes this. -
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Could be, but I doubt their fab failure rate is large enough to sustain that many GPU's to fill the channel for a new card.
My thinking is that Nvidia needed something, anything, to get some press, and that's why the 1070ti. Not that it's needed, or even wanted.
There is something to be said to provide 3 choices over 2 choices, people vacillating over spending $$$ on a 1080, but not gonna buy a 1070 that they can afford, now have a compromise on performance and $ that might swing the sale.
It will be interesting to see how many sell.
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Other than the fact that the GTX 1070ti is a total rumor right now, and isn't shipping right now, and isn't for sale anywhere - right now.
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So about to shutdown the TR and start building the loop. The waterblock came in and looks awesome! Now to strip the case, drill as needed, and assemble!
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It's nice to know the Ryzen CPU's can run full OC under load on air-cooling - a little noisy at 100% fans, but still nice.
The new 8700k can't take the heat on air-cooling and needs to move to water-cooling to OC.
jayztwocents needed to do just that for his 8700k bench test system, while the Ryzen comparison system ran just great on air-cooling.
Intel i7-8700k... does it suck?
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You can't even get an 8700k, and certainly if you found one odds are it'll be $500, and it's rumored to be that way until after the new year.
And, there have been $50 off sales for Ryzen recently. Maybe they won't continue if Intel can't ship product. That makes it a $110 difference. It looks like newegg has already raised the 1700 price again, I guess they have no faith in Intel delivering 8700k product.
Plus, as Jay said, he used the more expensive 1700x, and most 1700's will OC to run the same as the 1700x OC, or the 1800x OC, they all pretty much run the same.
A good 1700 configuration, with air-cooling instead of water-cooling, a budget motherboard in the B350 class (still OC's), and you can save hundred's. And, get a computer that will perform close enough to the 8700k that you won't notice a difference.
For most people the 1700 OC'd will be great desktop, or laptop.
Besides, Intel has been screwing us for 10 years, and they screwed AMD and the other competitors for 30 years, time for a timeout for Intel, and time to support AMD by building and buying systems with their CPU / GPU, even if it means trading off some top end performance.
Wow, newegg has the 1700x for $100 off - $299, only $5 more than the 1700 right now!!
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819113429Last edited: Oct 7, 2017ajc9988 and Robbo99999 like this. -
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AMD CPU's are not as bad at 144hz / FPS as you are making it out to be, you drop a couple of quality settings, likely things you won't even notice, and get the frame rate you desire.
It's easy, quick, and painless, and you are funding AMD for the long haul... AM4 / TR4 are long term - 4 year - life-cycle.
The Intel route requires buying all new motherboards many times over in the same time frame. The z270, z370, z390, z??? all need to be bought and built new in that same time frame if you go with Intel, that's way more $$$$ than most people realize.
Intel costs way too much as a platform compared to AMD, for little performance benefit that can be tuned away with a couple of game options.
Switching to AMD is as easy as that, it's not only possible, you could actually do it today.
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AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Rage Set, Dec 14, 2016.
