Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
Or put it the other way.... Todays flagship [email protected]. Yesterday's flagship AMD Ryzen ™ 7 1800X - Max Boost Clock 4GHz. Aka (Ryzen 2.0) MAX 300MHzAnd all those who complained about Intel's small steps. AMD is not so much better. They pushed as hard as they could but couldn't do much better. Maybe worse due no OC headroom. Eaten by AMD's improvement.
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For the 2700x 4.35ghz is the XFR2 bump, so a 4.4ghz OC should be likely, we've already seen one and its only the first day of release.
I wouldn't expect any particular all core OC range when drawing your new CPU from the pile, but I would try to OC to 4.2ghz first, then tune the voltage down to stable lowest voltage, and then run for a bit to see what the temps are, and then move up to 4.3ghz, 4.35ghz, and... whatever you can get beyond that.
If your all core OC doesn't exceed XFR2 speed for your SKU, your OC might not give much benefit beyond stock with XFR2 as seen in benchmarks already.
Technology is catching up with you OM, overclocking is now going to be automated in the CPU, and there will be little room for manual OC'ing.
We've been replaced by an algorithm.
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Yeah, Maybe or maybe not AMD should change specs. But I don't think they want. Not all chips manage 4.35GHz Why should they post confusing info on their web page many users/owners never will reach?
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2700x XFR2 has been published many places as being 4.35ghz:
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X and Ryzen 5 2600X CPU Review
BY SHAWN JENNINGS ON APRIL 19, 2018
http://www.overclockers.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-and-ryzen-5-2600x-cpu-review/
"The Ryzen 7 2700X has a base frequency of 3.7 GHz and a maximum boost of 4.35 GHz with a 105 W TDP."
http://www.overclockers.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-and-ryzen-5-2600x-cpu-review/
The 2700 doesn't have XFR2, so perhaps for consistency in definition AMD is listing the "maximum boost" as the non-XFR2 boost?
XFR2 maximum is determined by Level settings and a number of other factors including temperature and power available, so it's variable enough such that AMD won't list it explicitly as "maximum boost" in specs.
Like I said it's early days and these things need to get sorted out, but whatever the top XFR2 boost is for the 2700x, the XFR2 algorithm OC's well enough, fine enough, to do almost as well as the maximum all core OC for the same CPU.
The CPU is doing the full range OC within a small margin of manual OC. Pretty soon there will be no need for manual OC at all.
Maybe when Intel catches up with AMD and has it's own automated OC built into the CPU you can take up another hobby besides competitive CPU tuning?
How To Overclock 2nd Gen Ryzen by Sami Mäkinen
"Enchanced XFR" settings in BIOS run down at 05:00
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I expect AMD post correct info on their webpage as showed in my previous post. In same way as Intel does for their i7-8700K Otherwise it would be a big mess.
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Then if the CPU autotune's for best performance under any condition, instead of a fixed manual tune at a single setting, it should be able to better tune for the most performance at any given point.
It may not be there yet, leaving some performance on the table, but for the most part it looks like 1-2 FPS in games difference between stock + XFR2 and all core OC maximum stable - although I think a more experienced person could finesse a bit more performance for the OC by doing core multiplier staggering, that's not the typical user - so XFR2 could do much better for them.
OC has always been an anachronism, starting from the first time I considered applying hardware RF design techniques for tuning a circuit to a CPU by swapping a crystal to change "frequency", which was the first OC - hardware hack - but later with more settings in the BIOS it was possible to do it with software, and be more accessible to more people.
It was only a matter of time for the software to automate the process, I actually expected it to be so 10-20 years ago, and when motherboard makers started auto-tuning BIOS's I thought that was going to quickly get put in the CPU and automate best performance way back then.
It's taken a long time, and it may still take a long time to be perfected, or it may come with the new architecture CPU's, all the performance is available to the end user through real-time tuning by the CPU to get the best performance.
Manual tuning OC may be a thing of the past, something we tell the kids of tomorrow, and they roll their eyes at us, "sure, like people would waste their lives doing that", tell us another one.
Intel's auto-tune is where AMD was last year, typical - AMD invents it and Intel copies it and claims they did it first. Next release it might be all over, AI (Automation Intelligence) throws another human skill on the scrap heap.
Also: There seems to be a big power draw difference between XFR2 and all core OC in some tests I've seen, I'll have to watch for it some more before I can be sure, but it looks like a large power draw increase with the all core OC vs. leaving stock + XFR2, with only that small performance bump from the manual OC - with a large power draw increase to go with it, so maybe it really is time to let the software do the tuning after all.
Here in Cinebench power draw for the 2600x stock + XFR2 = 113.16w and the 2600x all core OC is 129.15w = 17w or about a 15% power increase, for essentially the same performance:
Wow, look at that crazy 8600K all core OC power draw: 147.6w !!
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Does the Ryzen 7 1700 work better with x470?!
Published on Apr 19, 2018
While I wait for Ryzen 2 I decided to test my Gigabyte Aorus Gaming Wifi x470 motherboard with my Ryzen 7 1700 to see if it overclocks better than the x370 chipset (3.9ghz). Stay tuned for HUGE Ryzen 2 coverage.... as soon as my retail sample comes
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It's hard to read, but his CB15 dialog "cores and ghz" shows 6 cores, and everything says 2700x, perhaps he saw the " How To Overclock 2nd Gen Ryzen by Sami Mäkinen" video and saw how to disable the "slow" cores and is running 6c/12t instead of 8c/16t, as a technique to get the best cores the power they need to OC further.
That's interesting to know that XFR2 still works after disable a couple of cores, something else to try.
I'll watch his channel to see what else shows up.
Still he has a good idea to watch the Maximum Clock rate in hwinfo64 to see how high XFR2 pushes each core to see just how high it gets.
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That's great news about the improved memory speed support just from upgrading to Ryzen 2 CPU on the same motherboard.
So far reports are that the x370 with updated BIOS is running as well as the x470, so unless there are physical features, or better power / VRM cooling, or other upgrades on a new x470, CPU performance alone isn't a reason to upgrade to the x470.
Same for speeds of PB2 XFR2, and I've spotted settings in the BIOS to set Levels on XFR2 - not sure about PB2 or if they are integrated, so there is Default Auto and Level1 - 4, assuming the higher the Level the more performance, and I see briefly the description for the options on the bottom of the BIOS page say some CPU's may not support higher levels. Something to play with before manual OC'ing.
It seems PB2/XFR2 are getting a good amount of OC performance automatically, and bumping the levels up from auto/default might get you better performance, without OC'ing.
Good thing you have good water cooling too, as that seems to be the deciding factor on some CPU's between 4.2ghz and higher - heat stops people using the box cooler - which is good, but not at the higher wattage outputs.
Please keep us up to date on what you find works, and doesn't work getting best performance from your 2700x.
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It could help improve performance of game loads and reduce stuttering in games loading levels while running, even when the games are installed on slow but cheap HDD storage.
AMD StoreMI Technology
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/store-mi
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Since they use several names to refer to the same product, it's not clear if this is a free trial for "Virtual SSD" or "AMD FuzeDrive" ("StoreMI"), as the text says one thing and the URL says another, but the text does say your request will be reviewed and the right software will be provided.
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Not as many 2600x reviews as for the 2700x, so here is a 2600x OC'd to 4.3ghz review from Guru3d:
AMD Ryzen 5 2600X review - Overclocking The Ryzen 7 2600X processor
by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/19/2018 03:00 PM
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_2600x_review,29.html
Overclocking a Ryzen 7 2600X processor**
You've been able to read all the tweaked/overclocked results throughout our benchmark suite/session. On this page, I want to disclose what we did in order to overclock as we did.
For this 2600X review, we made use of a stock AMD air-based cooler
You guys know it when you're gonna tweak, always invest in good hardware. And that includes a proper MOBO/PSU/Memory and cooling), the cheaper motherboards often are not well tuned for enthusiast overclocking with fewer power phases. Please. never underestimate a good power supply and sure, proper processor cooling. Overclocking with a more core processor (doesn't matter if that is Intel or AMD) is more difficult than you expect it to be. You could apply a fixed voltage.
What you need to do:
- Enable and start at 4200 MHz (42 Multiplier)
- Apply 1.40V to the CPU (or simply leave it at auto).
- Enable XMP on our memory kit (3200 MHz CL14)
A small tip
Mind you I mentioned voltage tweaking, the reality is that leaving the motherboard and altering just the CPU multiplier is sufficient as well. We reached 4300 MHz on ALL cores this way. A reason why you should tweak CPU voltage, however, is that you can define the lowest needed Voltage for your target frequency. Less voltage equals to less heat and power consumption, your choice of course.
Here is an example of the Ryzen 5 2600X at 4300 MHz @ all cores. This is based on the 'auto' voltage option. By manually tweaking that, you can probably suffice at 1.425v Again, we used a stock cooler here, 4300 MHz ran towards ~76 Degrees C range overclocked.
In closing, I want to mention that I expect most Ryzen Series 2000 CPUs to be able to hit 4.2 up-to 4.4 GHz with at least proper cooling. I expect most processors to hit 4.3 GHz stable, and some parts can reach 4.4 GHz. It's a bit of a luck of a draw really, also with a proper cooler you'll be more likely to yield better results."
** There's a typo on that page "2700x" instead of 2600x... every other spot they got it right.
Guru3d also OC'd the 2700x, to 4.4ghz!!:
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X review - Overclocking The Ryzen 7 2700X processor
by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/19/2018 03:00 PM
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_2700x_review,29.html
Overclocking a Ryzen 7 2700X processor
You've been able to read all the tweaked/overclocked results throughout our benchmark suite/session. On this page, I want to disclose what we did in order to overclock as we did.
You guys know it, when you're gonna tweak, always invest in good hardware. And that includes a proper MOBO/PSU/Memory and cooling), the cheaper motherboards often are not well tuned for enthusiast overclocking with less power phases. Please. never underestimate a good power supply and sure, proper processor cooling. Overclocking with a more core processor (doesn't matter if that is Intel or AMD) is more difficult than you expect it to be. You could apply a fixed voltage.
I have opted to test the processor on two motherboards, one from ASUS and one from MSI (both X470). AMD and the motherboard manufacturers made sure that tweaking is easy.
What you need to do:
- Enable and start at 4200 MHz (42 Multiplier)
- Apply 1.40V to the CPU (or simply leave it at auto)
- Enable XMP on your memory kit (3200 MHz CL14)
A small tip
I mentioned voltage tweaking, the reality is that leaving the motherboard at default and altering just the CPU multiplier is sufficient as well. We reached 4400 MHz on ALL cores this way, on both motherboards. A reason why you should tweak CPU voltage, however, is that you can define the lowest needed voltage for your target frequency. Less voltage equals less heat and power consumption, your choice of course.
Above an example of the Ryzen 7 2700X at 4400 MHz @ all cores. This is based on the 'auto' voltage option. By manually tweaking that, 1.45v would probably suffice. We used EK liquid cooling here, 4400 MHz ran fine in the ~70 Degrees C range overclocked.
In closing, I want to mention that I expect most Ryzen Series 2000 CPUs to be able to hit 4.2 up-to 4.4 GHz with proper cooling. I expect most processors to hit 4.2~4.3 GHz stable, and some parts can reach 4.4 GHz. It's a bit of a luck of the draw combined with component and cooling selection really."
Finally a competent technical person that knows how to coax a high overclock out of the 2700x and 2600x.
All of those "amateur" reviewers that rush the OC'ing, don't undervolt, and don't spend the time to get to know the settings to get the best performance aren't doing their reviewed hardware any justice, and promote a false impression of the hardware capabilities.Last edited: Apr 23, 2018Vistar Shook, TANWare and jaybee83 like this. -
now that is pretty sweet! that puts golden chips at 4.5 and diamond chips at 4.6 ghz into the realm os possibility!
really looking forward to silicon lottery's first batch of Zen+ cpus, curious to see the frequency distribution
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Guru3d also OC'd the 2400G and 2200G nicely; I wish they had taken it to the next level with an AIO cooler, but even so for the price range and audience, using the stock cooler is "cool" too.
" For the Ryzen 5 2400G reference review we'll use nothing more than a stock cooler."
" Our maximum was 3950 MHz on all four cores."
" We have been able to sustain 4.0 GHz on all cores, but with the stock cooler everything felt too marginal hence we settled at 3900 MHz all-cores. Memory wise we had 3200 MHz CL14 stable."
AMD Ryzen 5 2400G review - Overclocking The Ryzen 5 2400G processor
by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 02/13/2018 09:05 AM
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_2400g_review,34.html
" Overclocking
Overclocking and tweaking then. Always invest in good hardware by the way (MOBO/PSU/Memory/Cooling), the cheaper motherboards often are not well tuned for enthusiast overclocking. Also get yourself a good power supply and proper processor cooling. Overclocking with a more core processor (it doesn't matter if that is Intel or AMD) is far more difficult than you expect it to be.
For the Ryzen 5 2400G reference review we'll use nothing more than a stock cooler.
Overclocking multi-core on a high clock frequency is relatively okay to do job, and can be best managed from the BIOS. You can also use AMD's software tool of course.
Our maximum was 3950 MHz on all four cores.
The Rave Ridge 4-core parts with one CCX are not the best overclockers (at least not our samples). During our measurements, by trial and error we found that at 1.425~1.50 Volts you will end up at roughly 3.9 ~4.0 GHz. You could apply a fixed voltage, but we do recommend a voltage offset (start with +200Mv), or even better, leave voltage at auto and find your maximum multiplier.
BIOS Overclocking
The Guru3D reader-base overclocks mostly from the BIOS to try and find the maximum stable limit. The generic overclock procedure for multiplier based overclocking is as follows:
- Leave base clock (bus) for what it is right now (100 MHz)
- Set the per core multiplier at a maximum of your liking:
- Example 1: 100MHz x 39 = 3900 MHz
- Example 2: 125MHz x 31 = 3875 MHz
- Increase CPU voltage; though AUTO works fine on many motherboards you can do it manually as well. Start at 1.40 volts (or voltage offset (start with +200Mv)) and work your way upwards into a state of equilibrium in perf and cooling temps.
- Make sure your processor is properly cooled by adding voltage = more heat
- Save and Exit BIOS / uEFI
- Enable 3900 MHz (39 Multiplier)
- Apply 1.475V to the CPU
- Enable XMP on our memory kit (3200 MHz CL14)
Here is an example of the Ryzen5 2400G at 3900 MHz @ all cores. Here the stock cooler seems to run fine in the ~75 Degrees C range overclocked.
Results
Our default score was 206 second, the tweak now shaves off roughly 8 seconds of wPrime on a 1024M run.
For CB15 we are at an 820 CB default, tweaked we reach 863 CB.
For Time Spy the default CPU score was 3828, which tweaked is 4449.
Power Consumption
Adding extra voltage to the CPU for the OC also has an adverse effect on the overall energy consumption. Below, the power consumption for the whole PC measured at the wall socket side. Dark black is overclocked.
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The Tweak
Both the Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G have been able to reach 3900 MHz on all four cores with merely a crappy stock cooler. The 2400G, however, needs a lot of voltage, I halted at 1.475V at the close to 4 GHz domain. But it would have liked a bit more. Perhaps liquid cooling could have solved a thing or two, as again I have been testing with the stock cooler.
The Ryzen 3 2200G I left at default voltage, as it reached 3900 MHz on all cores perfectly fine. That's a great tweak, offering good value for this 99 USD part."
AMD Ryzen 3 2200G review - Overclocking The Ryzen 3 2200G processor
by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 02/12/2018 04:00 PM
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_3_2200g_review,34.htmlLast edited: Apr 23, 2018jaybee83 likes this. -
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The sad thing is Jay didn't even put much effort into 4.4ghz, he let the auto voltage get set to 1.50625v and let it hang... and gave up. Sigh.
How are we gonna know what the limits are to Ryzen 2 if all the reviewers are too lazy to find out? Sheesh.
4.35ghz can be had with XFR/PB2 on Level 3(4?) Enhanced tuning - if the cooling is there to support it. That's just a tad under 4.4ghz.
And, the 4.6ghz OC voltage was set to 1.46v even though his CPU-Z said it was 1.512v... there might be some AMD voltage reporting readings strangeness this go-around was well.
RashadQuickTech 4 days ago (edited)
Camper X Just check other yputubers review and see how well the 2700x can overclock and I didn't say it was easy to get that overclock I had to cranck up the vcore to 1.46v but on cpuz it shows 1.512VLast edited: Apr 23, 2018 -
Top guru's lead the way for the amateur OC'ers, that's how it's always worked. If the "top reviewers" are nothing but lazy layabout's not willing to put in the time and effort to attain high OC's - and share how they've done it, how are the eager amateur's gonna know what the limit's are?
Also, it's not just "turning up the voltage", it's tuning without too much voltage, and cooling is of utmost importance - you aren't going to get high OC's stable on the box coolers. The magic doesn't happen if the temperature shuts down the OC.
Past experience has taught me that less voltage get's higher OC's than too much voltage, and using auto-voltage is a sure way to get too much voltage.
Ryzen 1 was 3.8ghz-3.9ghz for the most part, with as one reviewer put it, "4.0ghz was Ryzen 1's Unicorn", but perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration - I've seen a few more 4.0ghz Ryzen 1's than Unicorn's.
It's only days since release, so I imagine some reviewers are gonna run out of material and need to get back to tuning - then we might see some good how to's taking the lead.
Until then, have fun on your own.
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Ryzen 7 2700X EASY overclocking guide 4.2-4.4GHz, 6 retail CPUs, Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 based
Both screenshots @ 4.4ghz
Published on Apr 19, 2018
I've played with 6 retail CPUs and they all easily OC to 4.2GHz and beyond. This is at least 300MHz better than first gen of Ryzen 7 CPUs. AMD has done a kick ass job in this small update and I cannot wait to see what they do with Ryzen 2!!!
This guide was created on Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 and it applies to all Gigabyte boards from this and last get pretty much. The process will also be similar to other brands as well. The amount of changes in bios are minimal!!!
dinos 22 1 day ago
hughjazz44 i ran an hour of prime95 on all 6 CPUs
dinos22 14 hours ago
Kwnstantinos Nikolaidhs I’ve already done a lot more than that. This particular kit just doesn’t like the board. I’ve switched to another kit and running 3600c16
Ryzen 2700X Overclocking Summary
(Bad Language, constant, beware)
4.3ghz 1.40v on Air Cooling (Noctua)
Published on Apr 20, 2018
Overclocked to 4.3. Will try for more.
This guy (below) is at 4.275ghz @ 1.384v, and goes through all of his BIOS settings, it's kinda primative - ok it's tough to watch, and he is obviously just learning, but he's been brave enough to change settings other than fixed multipliers and Auto voltage, so good on him, I wish the "guru" reviewers would have put in the effort he is putting in right now.
Ryzen 2700X Bios Settings and Memory Speed settings
4.275ghz @ 1.384v
TheUglyTech
Published on Apr 22, 2018
Ryzen 2700X 4.27GHZ OC, 3466Mhz - ASUS STRIX X370 GAMING-F
TheUglyTech
Published on Apr 22, 2018
Hi guys this is my overclocking with ryzen, I did this video just to debunk the 1.52 Volt to get ryzen overclock to 4.27 Mhz.
4.275ghz @ 1.384v
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4.325ghz, 1.376v, 138w, 62c on CPU under 100% load all core.
2700x steady 4.325ghz B350
Captin Camerica
Streamed live 5 hours ago
obviously the scores are lower while streaming but I was using the bench as a stress test to show some stability. I have had it running at 4.325 on b350 tomahawk everyday since release.
2700x 4.4ghz on B350!
Captin Camerica
Streamed live 8 hours ago
Last edited: Apr 24, 2018
AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs
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