AMDs upcoming Carrizo APU details leaked

I'm still waiting for a competitive AMD "netbook" (i.e. 11-13", < 2.5lbs, < 0.75" thick) that can blow the pants off an Intel both CPU and GPU performance-wise and at 60-70% the cost of the Intel. I love my Samsung ATIV Book 9 13" with i5-4200U, 8GB DDR3, 512GB (self upgraded) M.2 SSD. But what I don't like is the throttling (much better than the Sony it replaced though) and the horrible GPU scaling. I can't set any custom resolutions with the Samsung. No it's not a gamer, but it can game at 1024x576 or x600. But it will only switch to 1024x768, an ancient 4:3 standard.

I want another Llano that will blow the pants off Intel in the IGP department and compete reasonably well in the ULV department. Remove TDP throttle, period. Let's hope Carrizo offers something compelling otherwise it's completely lights out.

 

Well it's quite impressive that AMD is able to do all this with a 28nm processor.. Their 16nm might stand a chance although they really need to make more high performance parts for me to even get interested... 35W parts don't interest me at all..

 

So where the hell are the reviews and the product announcements of Carrizo?

This is AMDs problem...

 

What reviews are you talking about, the APUs won't be released for a few months yet, the SKUs aren't even announced yet.

 

Allright, fine. But how about previews like all the big sites have on Intel CPUs before they launch?

I have a feeling FX-8800P will go like FX-7700P:
Vaporware

 

Big problem with AMD APU, decent GPU, lousy processor. CPU+RAM= Workflow done. AMD needs to get competitive quick. Bad when first gen Intel Core I still slayeth AMD APU in processing power. And with the NVidia backlash, a good time for AMD to work on getting competitive and getting more of their GPU in Intel Core systems to get the cashflow to do something about the disparity.

 

LOL is this tiller or Kent T?

Have you actually compared benchmarks of an E6600 or Q6600 against an A10-7850K? Core 2 gets stomped.

 

Corrected. Core2 yes, the modern AMD A 10 is superior, but I had meant Core I. AMD's getting better on battery efficiency, but needs to get the CPU competitive on speed and power. I want to see AMD competitive with Intel and used in things other than lower end laptops on the mobile side. I like competition and more level playing fields. I also wish to see more performance options from AMD worthy of high end laptops.

 

I personally want to see lower-tier i7 Quad CPU performance mixed with superior-to-Intel graphics from AMD APUs, and ultraportable mixed input (keyboard+touchscreen, active digitizer would be a dream!) implementations without heavy throttling. Even if they make it in one league with i5s, it's already worth considering. But seeing current top-of-the-line AMD APUs in gaming notebooks with dGPU... seriously?!! It's noticeably slower than any i7 quad CPU-wise, underdog from the start - who on Earth buys it? Other than AMD fanboys, that is.

 

Starlight5,

Your post entails the recipe for AMD to get competitive and get installed in nicer systems and higher performance laptops. Allow overclocking that iGPU and you'll get some folks ticked off at NVidia to consider them too. Major steps in the right direction to see competition again.

 

Here's an Acer laptop in EU with an FX-8800P Carrizo APU:
http://www.saturn.de/webapp/wcs/sto...nel=sedede&searchParams=&path=&query=FX-8800P

700 EUR = £501

 

Again, these are in a big honkin' chassis. What's the point of a low TDP CPU if they put it in a 2.4KG laptop.

 

Maybe they're trying to annoy us on purpose?

 

That fx-8800p is a 35w apu if I'm not mistaken. It can be configured with a 15w tdp, but Those would likely be placed in smaller chassis ...

 

At least they should be. Seen the motherboards? About the size of a pci-e card, and the entire thing in one sheet height. They haven't integrated the entire bus and memory controller and so on in the cpu-die (like the Tegra design, that still is as brilliant now as it was in 2004). But since most of the components are integrated, they're saving a lot of space compared to the *cough* normal designs. Really no reason to not go that route now other than maintaining "industry standard", but.. taking some time, no doubt about that..

Anyway. Really wish I had the opportunity to experiment with some passive cooling designs for laptops like these... I mean, you still have the keyboard sheet and the screen size. So why not fill that space with something other than circuitboards and fans? Same with batteries - did you know you can actually order, as a private person, a pretty much completely flat synthetic electrolyte battery? Expensive, of course, but it's possible to get one cut to specification. Doesn't even have to be a rectangle, or an even thickness on it.

I mean, you can see it, right? A transparent plexiglass keyboard with a passive cooling design around the chip in the middle, about 5-8mm thick, the battery behind the screen, running hd video for 9h easily. And that would actually work, with one of those apus.

 

The manufacturers aren't that progressive.
Look at the cooling used in regular laptops for clues.
They are using inefficient designs and monetarily cheap materials that conform to cost efficiency and profits. They won't bother with technical efficiency designed to do more with less.
AMD is actually trying to do that by implementing a high performance process node and it resulted in an interesting design overall - problem is, the OEM's don't seem to do this.

Then there's an issue of Intel market dominance.
As it was already pointed out, AMD solutions could be placed in smaller form factors... but there are some individuals who do like a larger screen for instance on the go (therefore the choice behind 15").
13" however would still be doable... but not sure about occasional gaming and how comfortable that is vs 15" (the difference ain't that big though, but it would be good to have more variety with higher quality components when it comes to AMD systems).

It just seems that whenever AMD manages to penetrate the market in some appreciable degree, OEM's end up messing things up.

 

It can still be 15" LCD but not 2" thick and 2.5kg for the components its supporting. That's just pure laziness and cash grab. No wonder AMD laptops have such low market share.

 

Blame the OEM's in that case.
As far as I understand it, AMD as a company cannot influence design decisions.
Heck, AMD also tried to simplify matters with Carrizo by making a unified design as a result of efficiency improvements.
But OEM's simply refuse to follow up on that.

I think AMD would be better off trying to create its own reference design laptop and sell it like that (seeing how they made one with Kaveri - but that one wasn't accessible to the general public).