Acer 5920-6273 & T7500 CPU upgrade - possible?

I've a friend who's upgrading his T7500 to a...I forget, but something faster. anyhow, he'll sell me his T7500 for $200. I'm very interested, but I'd like to know if the 5920-6273 could handle a T7500. would the BIOS recognize it? would it's current cooler be sufficient?

 

Your acer has santa rosa processor support, so the processor would work in you system. I dont know what processor you have, but I believe the slowest santa rosa processor is 1.8Ghz, and the T7500 is 2.2Ghz, its not much of an upgrade, and it is going to involve taking both machines apart. If you have a T7300 2Ghz processor, than its not worth $200 for an upgrade.

K-TRON

 

hey K-TRON, I actually have a T5250 for a processor...so 1.5ghz. the 900mhz gain will be significant I think and actually make the 8600M GT 512MB video actually do some good :laugh:

I bought the FutureShop 3year warranty with my laptop. I'm considering finding out if they'd install the CPU for me, so I maintain the warranty too...

 

Camvan, the T5250 is not a santa rosa processor, it has the napa core which has a 667MHz FSB, the T7500 has a 800MHz FSB. The upgrade would be pretty worth it, that is if it works. I dont think that that processor will be supported in your system. I looked on Acer's site, and the only 5920's there had santa rosa processors. Youre exact model was not on the site, so I assumed that it was santa rosa compatible. I am not 100% sure that your laptop will be able to support that processor. Unless you remember if the T7500 was an option when you bought your system. I truly dont know if it will work, maybe someone else does, if not you should probably email Acer.

You should look at this link:
http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2duo.htm

If the processor is supported, make sure that you use arctic silver cpu paste, and make sure to prop your laptop up, so that the processor fan gets enough air circulation to cool the heat generated by the faster processor.

You can check temps before and after the swap, with core temp, it is a thermal program which reads the thermal diodes on the inside of the processor.

K-TRON

 

I know I am running at the 677mhz FSB...but I'm pretty sure we have the GM965 chipset, which would be Santa Rosa. and you're right...this model can't be found on any of the websites...hell, it's hard enough to find any 2GB SODIMM's that are guaranteed to work in this thing.

anyhow, if I can get a faster CPU, faster HDD, this thing will become a nice mobile gaming platform

 

I would contact future shop and ask them, if not email acer, Its better to know that it will work before you go give your friend $200, and then get screwed because it does not work.

Your laptop will work with any SATA notebook harddrive and it runs PC5300 667Mhz memory. (I dont know if it supports 4gb, but most new laptops do.)

K-TRON

 

yeh...I have a ticket open with Acer Support currently cause one of the two only available units at the FS store we bought our notebooks at had been pre-configured by them...in doing their 'configuring' they removed Acer Arcade Deluxe, which was the onboard support and player for the HD DVD. I asked them about what my native monitor res was, if it was indeed 1280x800 or if it was higher. seems kinda silly now, to find my laptop with such a low res screen and a HD DVD player! tho with the HDMI out, this thing is a literal HTPC

guess I'll ask them about the processor next reply and find out if FS will install it without voiding my warranty.

btw, K-TRON, what is the biggest, fastest and most efficient 7200rpm 2.5IN notebook drive?

 

argh! my friend with the processor said he just called Acer support and was told that the 5920 series has the CPU integrated and is non-replaceable. now I know Acer tends to say that for the majority of laptops...but how true is it?

edit - seems I had a typo in my MSN name stating my laptop was a 9520, not a 5920...either way, chances are they'll say the same thing again.

 

egads, it gets more convoluted! on the call back to the Acer support, with the proper model number (gave him my S/N for reference too), my friend was told that this particular model was a FS special order and unlike they're usual units, doesn't have an integrated CPU, or so he was told. the support dude did say there was no information concerning upgrading tho and commented how Acer warranty wouldn't support anything if the CPU fried the motherboard.

to top it off, the email support I was dealing with says that it's integrated and cannot be changed...tho sadly I have found this particular persons knowledge concerning my unit to be lacking and inaccurate.

 

Look, camvan cool down, it is physically impossible to solder new processors into laptop motherboards. The chips would have to be soldered on at the factory. That means for every different processor selection, their would hav to be a different motherboard. They are saying this so that you do not take apart your laptop. Trust me, the processore is removable, look here is a pic of the processor in my dell laptop:



The last soldered laptop processor was the mobile pentium 3, after that every laptop processor is upgradeable.

The only other processors which are soldered to the motherboards are ULV and ultramobile processors. You have a T5250, and that is a standard core 2 duo processor. The t5250 is not ulv (ultra low voltage), so it is upgradeable.

AS far as the fastest notebook harddrive, it is the Hitachi 7K200 harddrive. It comes in 80, 100, 120, 160 and 200gb models. The 100gb and the 200gb are the fastest 7k200 harddrives. Each are 7200rpm and have a 16mb buffer.

Sorry I did not get back to you earlier, I was buying auto paint for my laptop. Damn they have a lot of color choices.

K-TRON

 

hey K-TRON, you can call me Cam btw I wasn't freaking out, just laughing on this side of the keyboard with all of this! more this is to help others out by keeping them appraised of the progress in searching for an answer.

FS said about $100 to install the CPU for me, if I wanted to go that way...tho they did specify that they would not warranty the upgraded CPU, even if they installed it...which makes sense to me. just means I'd have to keep the old CPU on hand if anything ever went wrong I guess.

the backplate or bottom plate or panel or whatever you wish to call it (I'm new to laptops, not PC's) is a single unit that covers about 75% of the bottom with 7 screws securing it in place. I'm going to try undoing it so I can take a look and see what's what under there, being I'd have to do this anyhow, if I was to upgrade may memory. I'm used tot he memory hatch cover, not a big thing like this!

nice picture too...so much goup on the core! I can only imagine how much temperatures would improve if you removed the excess off that

 

Its alright my T5300 maxes out at 135F, so the processor does not get hot. Paste is a metal medium, so it does not really matter how thick or thin it is.

When you remove the screws from the laptop, dont try forcing it apart. Most laptops, come apart from the inside. Removing the screws on the bottom, should loosen the keyboard. After removing the 7 screws, try opening the system and removing the keyboard. You should be able to get to the internals from there. If you have a camera use it so you know where all of the screws go.

K-TRON

 

hey K-TRON, I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I didn't mean the chassis screws, I meant the panel on the bottom of the case. I have the 7 screws securing it highlighted with yellow circles. you can follow the lines to realize just how big that single bottom panel cover is!

 

Sounds good, hopefully everything goes well for you in the install and upgrade process. That is quite convenient that the entire bottom is removable. Usually most dells and lenovos you can only get to the insides by removing the keyboard and palm rests.

K-TRON

 

hmmm. I just tried to unscrew a few of the screws and it seems that they're sealed somehow. they loosen to such a point and then they just start to tick, while they turn, not loosening any further.

now I'm not really afraid to break this seal, tho I'd better find out how it affects my 3 year warranty with FS (currently my understanding is I can do an upgrade, but they don't cover the new equipment. they just cover it at the point of purchase), but I don't see how I can break this seal...unless I didn't turn it enough times for loosening, where the seal that these screws provide is broken.

just to make sure we're clear here, there's no paper seal, it 'seems' it's something to do with the screws. I'd rather not mess around further until I know a bit more...I'm a laptop noob, but I'm fine with PC's

 

Youre correct their is no seal. It is actually held together by a few plastic snaps. I would make sure to remove the harddrive and memory and such, so that you can see all of the screws. Once all of the screws on the base are removed. Gently pry the base off, and you will undo a few of the plastic snaps. Then the base should come off revealing the processor and such.

K-TRON

 

K-TRON, I think we have another misunderstanding. the screws I outlined in yellow circles stop coming up, but continue to turn and make a clicking noise.

perhaps I shouldn't have said something about a seal, but my thought was that they're some form of special screw that provides some form of seal...or at least, if you remove them, they stop making those ticking noises, signifying to a certified tech that it's been previously opened, etc.

 

In the first place, there are nine screws, not seven. Two are covered by black stickers. Secondly, there isn't anything complicated like a seal. The screws are designed that way so u don't lose them.

Lastly, search the Acer forum and you'll see that processor upgrade for 5920G had been accomplished countless times.

By the way, remember to remove battery before you take apart anything.

 

hey Patrick, thanks for your reply! I'm a notebook noob, not a PC noob...and hidden screws by the black covers, explain the round black things very well! :laugh:

would you be so kind as to perhaps hook me up with a link to the Acer forums about the 5920G and upgrading it's CPU? many thanks!

edit - wait...I think you meant the Acer forums HERE! AHAHAHAHAHA!!! I was thinking there was some Global Acer Support Forum I didn't know about... :laugh:

 

hi CAMVAN i need to ask you about the screen on the acer 5920 6273

I bought the exact same laptop as you at future shop , i called every future shop they were sold out of it then i called the coquitlam center future shop they said they had 1 left but its not factory installed, the sales rep reassured me it was brand new and the operating system wasn't installed and that i have to install it myself,
the box came with a blue seal , after installing the operating system i noticed the screen quality was poor , screen was not bright and color was dull . other screens i've seen was more bright and vivid , i was wonder if u had the same problem?
should i return it?

 

When the screws start making ticking noises, that means that they're already unscrewed all the way. By the way... there are exactly nine screws.
Check out the service menu: http://rapidshare.com/files/51338152/SG_AS5920G_BOOK.pdf.html

 

many thanks Patrick, I appreciate your answer!

 

No problem. have fun taking apart your laptop.

 

You're right, cpu-z says it is the GM965 and it's Socket P, which can automatically adjust the FSB from 800mhz thru 400mhz to save power. We should have no problem upgrading our processors to any T7x00 we wish, including the uber 2.6ghz T7800

1.5ghz does everything i need a laptop to do right now, but I'm glad to know that in a year or two when 2.6ghz mobile cpus are under $100 it'll work.

 

I have the same notebook (5920G 1.5ghz), So let me get this straight: If I put something like this T9300
in my notebook, It would automatically adjust to 800mhz, proper voltage, etc. I am very comfortable with desktops but this is my first notebook and they REALLY don't want you to play around with it. I cant stand the BIOS on this thing you can't see/adjust anything.

 

it might, but why would you want to? The T7800 is faster (by 100mhz) and has a larger L2 cache (4mb vs 3mb). Only thing the T9300 has is a smaller die size but that's only really useful for overclocking and I don't think you can overclock these laptops.

 

I bought my 5920G about a year ago(8600M GT,T7300 etc...)
can anyone tell me which processors are compatible and if there is ANY chance I can upgrade the graphics card??(9500M GS)...

 

You can't upgrade the graphics card, period. As for the CPU, it can be upgraded to the T7500, T7700, T7800, T8100, T8300, T9300, T9500.

Graphics card is NOT upgradeable.

And isn't the 9500M GS just a rebrand of the 8600M GT? Aren't they actually the same GPU?

 

According to http://www.mxm-upgrade.com/Table.html 5290G does have MXM II which means you can change your graphic card but I'm pretty sure that the 8600M GT you have is the best possible.

 

Damn, sorry, I should really do my research before I go about and say you CAN'T do something. LOL that'll teach me! Sorry about that one!!

 

I know they are almost the same unknowntt! I only want to change it for two reasons:
1.512MB dedicated memory(I currently have 256...)
2.slightly higher clock...
Anyway are you absolutely sure about the cpu's? I'm thinking about buying the T9300...
and does anyone know if iatkos 2 works on the 5920? I have tried other versions but this stupid thing wouldn't boot...

 

Yes as long as your BIOS supports the newer penryn processors, you should be fine. If you're running a T7500, you're Socket P and you'll be able to upgrade to the T8100 T8300 T9300 or T9500 (although the T9500 would be plain stupid, with the price of that cpu).

If you're running on the Santa Rosa platform with a Socket P processor (which the T7500 is) AND YOUR BIOS SUPPORTS PENRYN PROCESSORS, then yes, the upgrade will work.

 

how can I check if the bios supports penryn?
I am running a T7300(no difference from T7500 right?) and I just flashed the Bios with the latest edition I found
(Intel Calistoga Chipset
;+------------------------------------------------------------------------
;
; Date : 03/14/'07
; ZD1 BIOS Ver. : v1.3811
; ZD1 EC Version: 0.045
; ZD1 IGD BIOS : 1478
;

1. Upgrade kernel code from r1.41 to r1.45
r1.45
1. Incorporated ICH8 BSU V1.8 change for SATA Init.
2. Fixed C6 issue after S4 resume.
3. Fixed PPM _OSC query by OSPM issue.
4. x Fixed CPU fan and throttling issue when DTS disabled with Vista.
5. Fixed system wake from S3 using serial modem issue.
6. Updated MRC 1.04.

r1.44
1. Fix USB 10key number pad issue (see SPR001978 for detail)
2. Fix system long delay with PCI function call.

r1.43
1. WA provide by Intel extended to S4.

r1.42
1. Implement ICH8M BSU 1.71.



2. Remove oem implement ICH8 SATA WorkAround(r1.45 kernel has pull in).



3. Remove AZALIA verb table that w/o HDMI for UMA sku.)

I'm sure I'm running on a santa rosa so my only concern should be the bios...

 

look at the changelog.txt in older BIOS ZIP files....

you should find info on "added support for CPU ID 6XXXX

take that ID number that starts with a 6,, search for the number the BOX in my SIG below....

that will tell you what CPU support has been added..

bigO

 

thanks guys!!! you really helped out a lot!

 

correct me if i'm wrong,,, but i thought all T9xxx's had 6 meg of L2 Cache,, which is double the 3 megs of the T8300,, and 2 megs more than the T7800

just caught that,, and wanted to verify???? right or wrong???

no probs NEO... that's why we hang out here


bigO

 

Differences between the Intel proc :

T9300 6 Mo 2,50 GHz 800 MHz
T8300 3 Mo 2,40 GHz 800 MHz
T7800 4 Mo 2,60 GHz 800 MHz
Source :
http://www.intel.com/cd/products/services/emea/fra/319662.htm

T7800 bench :
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-2875-view-Core-2-Extreme-x7800-review.html

T9300 T9500 X9000 bench :
http://portables4gamers.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/resultats-du-core-2-duo-t8300/

 

I have a T7300...
Vista says 4MB...
Tune up says 8MB...(8.192KB to be exact!)
I suppose it's 4MB per core?!

 

According Intel spec:

Name L2 Freq Fsb
T7300 4 Mo 2 GHz 800 MHz

L2 cache size is for all core.