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    Any negatives to high resolution screens?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by graycolor, Mar 20, 2011.

  1. graycolor

    graycolor Notebook Evangelist

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    I remember a few years back a user would have to purchase the right resolution so things won't appear too small. Now that there is scaling built into modern OS's is there any problem say, with a 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 screen?
     
  2. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    Being too productive?
     
  3. RooseDragon

    RooseDragon Notebook Enthusiast

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    1,000,000 x 1,000,000 :D

    you can change dpi and zoome in on internet explorer :)
     
  4. Jack

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    I find running things at anything but the native resolution for the screen appear strange.
     
  5. Gracy123

    Gracy123 Agrees to disagree

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    Yes, there are disadvantages!
    Depends on what you use it for!

    Example:

    Many people reported here to have returned their Vaio Z because of the too high resolution which is making the work on a 13" screen uncomfortable.

    To me - 1366x768 seems to be the perfect resolution for a laptop screen. Higher resolution is fine with me but only on a bigger screen.
     
  6. Meaker@Sager

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    1440x900 would be better IMO.

    for 15.6" screens I think 1680x1050 and larger 1920x1080 would be much better than today's situation.
     
  7. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    The higher the resolution, the more documents you can fit side by side, the less scrolling you have to do for web browsers or if you are coding.

    Oh Gracy123, 1368x768 is unacceptable for office work.
     
  8. mushishi

    mushishi Notebook Consultant

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    I agree. I think it all depends on the screen size. 1080 on 17" is fine, but I agree, on a 13" a 1366 probably better. 1680*1050 on a 15" is great.
     
  9. Gracy123

    Gracy123 Agrees to disagree

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    1366x728 is perfect for office work on portable machines!
    I really want to see you open 2 documents on 13" screen no matter what resolution! This exact reason made many people sell Z and go for S or Y that have 1366x768.
     
  10. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    Nobody has mentioned the biggest con yet: decreased performance.

    With every pixel, framerate in 3D apps is reduced linearly, this is important if gaming is something you're interested in.. Of course, you could always turn down your resolution, but who wants to run in non-native?
     
  11. chimpanzee

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    scaling in Windows is much better than it was but it is not perfect. So the 'right resolution so things don't get too small' still holds.
     
  12. Gracy123

    Gracy123 Agrees to disagree

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    I agree - native resolution cannot be faked. So better choose the one that is the most comfortable for your daily tasks. Which one that is - is really personal and dependent on screen size, taste and usage.

    As mentioned, I find 1366x768 (or 1280x760) the best for a 13-14" screen. And my usage is quite variable - from photo editing to office work.
     
  13. MidnightSun

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    DPI scaling is not perfect, and it's still best if you use the standard scaling--although Windows 7's scaling for the "Medium" sized fonts works very well, actually.

    Personally, I can use (and have used) the Sony Vaio Z's 1600x900 screen on standard scaling with no problems. It's great having two side by side word documents on a 13.3" screen, and if it were more affordable and had a TrackPoint, I might have chosen it over my T500. For the record, my eyes aren't that great (I do wear contacts), but I have no issues with eye strain when using high-resolution screens. I can stand 1366x768 only on my 11.6" X120e--I can't imagine having to use a 15-16" laptop with that resolution ;)

    Decreased performance in gaming is something to consider if gaming is a central purpose, however, many modern games (particularly FPS games) still look fine even on nonnative resolution. I played Bioshock and Mass Effect 1 & 2 on my T500 at 1440x900 with high settings, while native was 1680x1050, with little issue.

    It's largely personal preference, really. A high resolution screen will give you more productive space, especially if your eyes can stand using standard DPI. My advice with screen resolution is to always try out laptops in-store with various DPI, and find the maximum you are comfortable with, then try to find that in laptops you're considering.
     
  14. whitrzac

    whitrzac The orange end is cold...

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    I picked up a used viewsonic 1600x1200(4:3) 20in for cheap...


    I wish I didn't buy it because it made every other monitor I use/WTB look like crap...




    I do wish win 7 had a "quad" snap feature... :rolleyes:
     
  15. Judicator

    Judicator Judged and found wanting.

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    Er, 1600x1200 would be 4:3, not 16:10...
     
  16. whitrzac

    whitrzac The orange end is cold...

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    no wai :p


    10char
     
  17. afhstingray

    afhstingray Notebook Prophet

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    1440x900 is better, not to do side-by-side documents but main document with a chat/im window taking up a small strip on the side.

    for 14", 1440x900 ++ is definitely the way to go.

    1366x786 is just way too cramped, especially vertically. if you want to see the layout of a PDF for example, it feels almost like looking through a letterbox.....

    besides, scaling is so good nowadays, the higher the better! (except for gaming) can zoom out to see a "helicopter" view, can scale up to see comfortably when working on the details.
     
  18. tilleroftheearth

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    The only negatives to high res screens is the ones you scan in - and they'll look better too. ;)

    Oh wait! That's a positive... :)

    Besides the (required) user's eye sight and the extra strain on the gpu for gaming, there are no downsides to higher res screens. Everything is better when you can see it all at once. (Pictures, documents, websites, - everything!). And, when you can see two or more applications at the same time (side by side), then you'll see your productivity (and appreciation for the higher res) become paramount over a slightly 'easier to read' monitor.
     
  19. chimpanzee

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    Oh really ? I have scaled up my font DPI by 10%.
    , and have seen dialogs(from various applications) having their contents cut or overlapped(not to the point of not usable but very noticeable).
     
  20. afhstingray

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    i dont mess around with the DPI, i just use the zoom function.

    see this thread

    M4400, WUXGA & Vista
     
  21. chimpanzee

    chimpanzee Notebook Virtuoso

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    that is different thing. Zoom function is more for the 'I occasionally need to see the detail' whereas DPI is more for the 'I need to font to be larger in every app'.

    The equivalent of the later of Zoom would be 'get closer to the monitor' or get a proper corrective glass.
     
  22. afhstingray

    afhstingray Notebook Prophet

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    no, its a matter of the content of the app. practically every text heavy app i know allows you to do this (and obviously picture stuff too). why the heck would you want the title bar of the app to be bigger as well?

    it even works on the desktop if you want larger icons.
     
  23. chimpanzee

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    Because the title bar also convey informtion. Beside, setting each application to have a default 'zoom' is cumbersome and in my experience say IE, anything that is not 100% is slow in rendering and scrolling.
     
  24. afhstingray

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    never experienced that before.i use IE 8, chrome, firefox, and opera. and what information does the title bar convey that you need? Unless you need reminding what the name of the app is??

    ctrl + and ctrl- allow you to adjust in seconds

    ctrl 0 brings everything back the way it was.
     
  25. chimpanzee

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    I have lots of applications open at the same time. Just mouse over the IE icon or the Excel/Word icon on the task bar, I need the title bar information to tell me which is which.

    I know about the features of zoom short cut. In fact I have a keyboard which has this special zoom switch which I never use as I don't want to move my hand away from the main keyboard area so no ctrl/alt to me unless it is a must.

    EDIT:
    What is the 'zoom' short cut for outlook or Excel ?
     
  26. seasalt29

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    Press Ctrl and use the mouse wheel to zoom in Excel.
     
  27. FishinHank

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    My laptop has a 17"WUXGA (1920x1200) screen and I love having the higher resolution. My eyesight is good so the smaller icons and print don't bother me, and I like being able to have a bunch of windows open at the same time with the ability to see them all at once.
     
  28. Brawn

    Brawn The Awesome

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    everyone.. please just try to use the dpi setting first

    you'll realize there's no reason not to use it over getting a lower resolution
     
  29. chimpanzee

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    I have used the dpi setting(on two of my notebooks, both increased by 10%) and there ARE reasons to not to use it over lower resolution.
     
  30. AguilarJose

    AguilarJose Newbie

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    Hello folks, brazillian friend here!
    How much do you think a 1920x1080 screen will slow down fps in games in comparison with a 1366×768 screen? I pretend to buy a notebook with a Nvidia GT 540 m video card (a GTX 460 is much more expensive here) and I wanna play some games, but I want a Full HD screen too. Do you guys think this drop in fps is significant enough to choose the HD screen?
     
  31. Brawn

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    and what are these reasons?
     
  32. chimpanzee

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    Many application dialogs either have the edge cut(say the usual OK/cancel button are not completely visible) or some field label extend beyond the content box. At my dpi(i.e. 10% more), they look ugly but not impact usability. I tried higher dpi and they can render these dialog not fully functional(think you can no long press the ok button).
     
  33. Brawn

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    i believe as long as you keep the dpi at the "correct" setting, those problems shouldn't happen

    to get the "correct" dpi setting, find the dpi of your screen, and then use that dpi in windows dpi scaling

    for example, the dpi for my screen is 140, the resolution is 1600x900, i set the dpi scaling to 140, which is 46% more than the default and i don't have any dialogue or button problems

    hope it works for you!
     
  34. chimpanzee

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    what are you talking about ? I am lost.

    one of my screen is 1680x1050 native(on 15"). I adjust the dpi up by 10%.
     
  35. Brawn

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    Tried that and it makes the application looks very bad. As I said, I am using the dpi scaling and living with the limitation, fine for me as it usually happens in dialog which may come up in less than 1% of my daily usage.

    Just wanted to point out the dpi scaling is not a perfect solution for the 'right resolution for a person's optimal font size'.
     
  37. Pitabred

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    It won't slow games down unless you run them at the full resolution. My feeling is that you can always run a game at 1366x768 on a 1920x1080 screen, but you can't look at a document at 1920x1080 on a 1366x768 screen ;)
     
  38. ursoouindio

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    And what about running games on non-native resolution? Doesn't it get fuzzy or whatsoever?

    Do you think, for general gaming, this kind of loss is better than running it at native resolutions (and sacrificing FPS if higher native resolutions)?
     
  39. AguilarJose

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    First of all, thanks for the reply!

    But reducing the resolution will not let the graphics too serrated / blurry? Or these deformations are tolerable? Not that I want an image comparable to native, I just do not want something that will bother me every time Im gonna play.

    If you were me, would prefer a notebook with Full HD screen in which you possibly have to lower the resolution / settings of the games, or HD display when we can play games on high / medium side without reducing the resolution? Also considering that the notebook is not going to be for exclusive gaming, but also will have general use.

    Edit: lol Ursoouindio ask almost the same thing when I was writing this ^^
     
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    Not really, no. I find I play L4D2 at 1600x900 on my 1080p screen because I want those few extra FPS in heavy firefights. I don't notice it at all.

    If you're going to be using it for anything other than just games and movies, I would go with the higher resolution screen.

    I pay L4D2 at 1600x900 on my Envy so I get those extra few FPS in particle-filled areas and heavy firefights, and it looks great.
     
  41. MidnightSun

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    Generally speaking, RTS games are the only ones that I have some issue with if they're not at native resolution, but with all other games I've played, I can't even tell I'm not playing at native resolution on my 1680x1050 screen.
     
  42. Jack

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    Yes, its a pretty big drop. You can still run the games at a lower resolution, though, and the high res is nice for more everyday stuff.
     
  43. Mihael Keehl

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    I prefer having the older 16:10 resolutions, I don't know, there was something about that ratio that made laptops feel just the right size. 16:9 makes me feel like someone stretched my screen horizontally. As for resolutions I believe anything beyond 1680x1050 is overdoing it, but currently I use 1280x800 and feel that it's entirely too small for my needs. I prefer either WSXGA+ (1680x1050) or WXGA+ (1440x900), I believe WXGA is a good attempt at a standard size but it's just not enough room.

    All that aside, if the screen is not a Matte Finish, then I probably won't buy the laptop unless I really need it and then I would look to either replace the screen or put an Anti-Glare Screen Protector on it.