Anybody got a Skylake HQ/HK CPU yet? I want guinea pig-- I mean testers.

Read the first 7 pages of this... If you guys still need more benchmarks/tests I have a brand new AW17R3 (maxed specs) on the way. Currently in the build phase, should ship on the 26th.

 

Have you seen my 6820HK OC thread? My 17R3 holds at 4.1 to 4.3 without a sweat on stock voltage. After the repaste the temps are even better.



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The dude has no life. Pathetic. For one he dogs on BGA, but trolls in BGA threads? It's quite obvious. Perhaps it's buyers remorse and even more a slap in the face seeing the success of all the BGA's; coupled by the fact that the 6820HK is holding its ground at half the price and TDP? Heck, I'd be jealous too....

Nevertheless, if I was driving a VW, I wouldn't he lurking around a Mercedes forum making myself look like an idiot. That'd be unquestionably retarded. Let alone you have mods who back this bashing of BGA non sense. Watch your Clevos go BGA ROFL...correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no such thing as a socketed Skylake in your laptop. So what makes you haters think you're future proofed? Without having to fork out another 4-5k? Ouch...hurts doesn't it.

As I've said before, I have absolutely no interest in buying a $4k+ laptop, keeping it for half a decade and trying to upgrade components on there that will be obsolete in the future anyway for the most part (sockets, gpu's etc...)

Let alone why would you pay ~30% of the cost of the laptop to upgrade the CPU and GPU that costs well over $1,000USD? Keep in mind that the cost of the CPU and GPU will remain pretty constant in respect to the times because it's always progressing. So even a few years from now, one wouldn't be replacing their GPU to a 980, at least I hope not, but rather to the latest and greatest for that present time.

You want to talk about future proof? How about an AW w/ 6820HK, 980M and the luxury of a GA powered by whatever you please. Best of all, still under the price of a Clevo.

Plus, looks are important to most people and IMO the Clevos are butt ugly, no more than a plastic frame stuffed with desktop components. Um, no thanks.

Did I mention the worst keyboard in the World? Yes, you know that's true...

At least AW's have character with a design language pleasing to the eyes. It's nice to look at and doesn't make you feel ugly. Yes, I said it. So?

Take your trolling elsewhere....we know you're jealous...

BGA's will dominate you, they are coming for you and they are not as far behind as you think. In fact, don't fool yourself in looking in the rear view mirror....try checking your side windows....hello, yes I'm waving at you...

In the very very near future you're going to hit a wall..and then what? I would expect an apology at that time or maybe you will end up buying a BGA too, but be too ashamed to admit it.


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You know that you can ignore all posts from a forum member?

Just click on their username and there is an option to ignore them.

I've only had to ignore one member so far. It's a great feature, you should try it out.

You never have to see their negative comments/complaining/trolling, or whatever it is you don't like about what they are saying, ever again!

 

But if someone else quotes them, do you still see their posts?


Also, iunlock is right. With the GA, mxm is less relevant now. It's nice that you can have a swappable graphics module, but an EGPU is the most logical choice considering the absurd pricing of MXM boards...

Plus warranty is a much better option when the mxm dies, rather than swapping one out yourself.




waiting for @Papusan and @Mr. Fox to explode here

 

No you don't see anything as far as I remember, I never have anyway. But you do get the option to view ignored content on a thread page, which indirectly lets you know that there is someone you ignored posting on that page!

 

Excellent! Thanks for the heads up. It'll make the World a cleaner place.

Cheers

 

i was actually planning to read your updated cpu guide, especially since u seem to have sufficient data on the skylake models now

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

Feel free to send feedback! I have changed judgements and cleared up differences about things, and added a better "thoughts" section.

 

The moderation team has cleaned up numerous posts in this thread. If you had a post that had some useful info in it, then apologies, but in order to make this thread coherent, we've done a thorough cleaning.

If you want to discuss something off-topic here, create a new thread.

Charles

 

Hi, you're wrong. Learn your laptops. There are SIX socketed skylake laptops from Clevo.
P870DM(-G)
P775DM1(-G)
P770DM(-G)
P750DM(-G)
N350DW
N350DV

"A user who prefers form over function deserves neither". You might want to learn from that quote. There is a large difference between picking similar performing and specced-out machines and choosing one which looks better even if it costs a little more, and choosing machines with inferior design because it looks better.

You need to use other laptops if you think Clevos have the worst keyboards. Seriously.

 

Look who's spamming?

Learn how to read, I make mention of the X9 along with the point of not being able to upgrade what you currently have.

IMO the Clevo's lack a quality keyboard from my experience. It felt cheap and uncomfortable to type on. My nephews $200 chrome book felt better.

You're wrong for spamming after the Mod has cleaned it up. That's very disrespectful. Very immature as well.

I know my laptops Just learn to read and quit spamming.

Thanks.

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Well, @Phoenix said that his 870DM-G has the worst keyboard from experience. And for sure he owns more laptop that I would ever do.

Portability wise, a laptop also needs to have good battery life and somewhat acceptable carry weight. Which the Clevos really can't fulfill (maybe if they have the option to switch iGPU / PEG mode).

 

I corrected you with pure information from your post. This is also my thread.

The P6xxRx series has MUX switches, so you can switch to iGPU mode.

 

...which is indeed not correct, therefore, I've corrected your incorrect accusations to help you understand that you are wrong. If you can't understand this, then you'll need to seek some professional help.

You've violated forum rules by re-posting contents that was deleted by the Moderator, which is clearly an act of immaturity and disrespect to the community and Mods. That is a big no no. Please just hang it up already and not act hasty, only to fulfill your personal desires to create spam.

On a brighter note, what do you plan to repaste the 17R3 with once it arrives? Is there a specific benchmark you're curious to see from the ones listed in the OP? If so, which ones? Perhaps us existing owners can contribute aside to the popular benches, if that's what you're curious about.

TDP? I have no issues OC'ing and have never hit any limits of any kind...

I also use handbrake a lot, along with rendering large files with Adobe products.


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You need to stop making personal attacks. I corrected your statement about no laptops existing with socketed skylake. I told you that picking form over function is a terrible idea. I told you there are worse keyboards than what Clevo uses. End of story. I violated no rules, and you need to stop stating I have when I did not.

Next, if you actually would read the mobile CPU guide which I have updated to count for skylake, you would know that I already listed that Skylake mobile CPUs have absolutely no problems holding their TDP and use less power in general as well as are cooler than haswell/broadwell, which is a massive improvement in itself, leaving the only problems the fact that socketed mobile CPUs are nonexistent (lack of choice). The 6700HQ is the only fully locked-down CPU (no ability to even raise or lower its multipliers, which slightly irks me as I'd rather set it to 3.1GHz constantly as it helps undervolts be stable) but since 3.1GHz + skylake's lower TDP consumption is a thing, it's proven mostly impossible to actually get it to surpass its 47W limit for any length of time even in Prime95, so I judged it as being a non-issue (even if it can't surpass its TDP limits, nobody will realistically get it to that point even in synthetic benchmarks).

If you want to test more, feel free to do so. More information is never bad. But stop attacking people here, myself included.

 

I have no intention to be stuck in a bootloop with this, but all I'm doing is correcting you in that I am fully aware of the models you've listed, along with me making mention of a X9, yet you still seem to not understand the point here.

Again for the record I was referring specifically to not being able to upgrade the current platform one has to a skylake chip for example and having to fork out another arm to be able to upgrade. Being forced to upgrade makes it the same as having a bga platform and having to upgrade, except that it will be a lot more costly to frequently upgrade with Cleve's for example than a bga machine.

Nevertheless, let's keep things productive and hang it up already. I'll shake on it.

As for the data, I'm well pleased to see the findings with the Skylake chips. Although it was as expected for the 6th gen chips to be an improvement over the previous...





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Not even desktops can upgrade like that. That's Intel wanting to switch sockets for no reason all the time. Nobody with haswell can upgrade to Skylake. Skylake users now, however, can upgrade to Kaby Lake whenever it comes out. Haswell users WOULD have been able to upgrade to Broadwell if they ever made socketed Broadwell mobile chips, but they didn't, so only the P7xxZM models had that option. BGA chips however leave you stuck with whatever chip you get, forever... that also means that if you get a good chip and you need to replace a BGA GPU or say... if soldered RAM in a machine like a Razer Blade or whatnot goes bad, you'd need to change out your CPU as well. I want choice, not BGA to never exist. All bashing I've done for haswell/broadwell BGA is that at the time, there were no other mobile CPU options for people who DID want to do heavy workloads... which was stupid, since the socketed chips of the same architecture they replaced did not have that issue.

It was not expected. It was a noted problem with haswell which carried over to broadwell. I expected Skylake to do the same, but I'm glad it did not. I still believe soldered components have no purpose in top end machines, but they're just fine and have their own place in the market without a doubt.

 

I agree and feel the same way. It's unfortunate that the freedom has been stripped from us, however, most people don't keep their laptops forever. Ex. I upgrade my laptop with every refresh for the most part, so when the pascal gpu's arrive, I'll be upgrading to that. 17R4? We'll see...

I think now with the Skylake chips and with it being DDR4, there is less motivation to upgrade if you have a socketed mobo. It's to the point now where the curve is starting to level out in the mobile performance category. Of course it can get better and I believe that it will....however, even for the hard core gamer, the new skylake socketed mobos hold a long life to them. Granted the mobo itself doesn't fry from high mileage.

For now I'm content with my 1440p gaming on a bga. The 6820HK is no slouch...

If and when there is a socketed laptop that meets all my criteria, I'll surely buy one in a heart beat. The thing is AW could easily make one...SMH...

Anyhow, pushing these things to the limit is a blast. Looking forward to what the future brings...

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Similar to fn f7 on alienware laptops?

 

Yes, exactly like that, as far as I know.

Most people don't do that either, to be fair. I would only want to change if there was a distinct advantage (cooling, modularity, positioning of components, etc) in a new machine. As far as I'm concerned, most every other machine is a downgrade from mine in some respect, mainly due to the lack of 120Hz panels available now.

DDR4 isn't as good as DDR3 is yet. And it won't be for some time. Most laptop RAM is disgusting. EVGA for example boasts their 2666MHz RAM in their SC17 laptop, but the timings are I think 17-17-17-40 or something to that effect; I saw it in a review by checking one of the screenshots (the terrible RAM was not spoken about in the review either). DDR3L 2133MHz 11-11-11-31 is better than any DDR4 laptop RAM set on the planet right now. JEDEC for DDR4 is also DDR4 2133MHz 15-15-15-35, which is much worse than what's purchasable for DDR3L. The closest we ever had to desktop performance was the M18x R2 alienware with SLI 780Ms and a 3920XM, or a P370SM3 using lapped P370EM CPU + Slave GPU heatsinks with modded vents/thermal pads for the best cooling possible, slightly propped up, using 780M SLI with a 4930MX and two PSUs and a Prema mod. Every laptop using pure laptop components since then has been a downgrade in achieve-able power. Because 780Ms were full GK104, and overclockable to match desktop card speeds if you could keep it cool, we had basically a 1:1 ratio (yes, that's a 780M matching a desktop GTX 680's clocks including boost without crashing). Now we have the 6700K and the 200W 980, but it's not mobile-only components and the DDR4 RAM we have available sucks compared to what one can find for desktop boards.

I really don't care if Clevo wins. I simply tell people to get the best from what I find available. Bad software is easier to fix than bad hardware, and Clevo has the best internal hardware and bad software. Most everyone else has bad hardware and decent to good software. Alienware and MSI and Gigabyte and EVGA can feel free to step their game up and I'll recommend them instead. ASUS is not stepping their game up, I have no hope for them. They need to fix their entire company from QA to support to general available information (I couldn't even get a rep to tell me what panels they use in their G751JY machines without having a serial number from owning one to get them to pull up EACH MACHINE'S SPECIFIC SPECS, for example) before they should even be considered by anyone. I really have no idea why they are so popular.

 

The clevos are a niche machines for a reason, not many of us wants to buy the compromises that come with fitting components meant for a desktop inside a laptop.

 

Of course. I won't deny this. But if you're looking at the top end, they are the only logical sense, from most peoples' perspectives (once they're Prema-modded, anyway).

The midranged machines (like the P6xxRx I mentioned, which have the MUX switches) don't have desktop components, but are cheap and easy to maintain and have good cooling and sufficient power delivery for the most part. That does not mean other machines don't beat them... MSI's GT72 is absolutely top notch as far as all-mobile components go. Even its ability to hold a 150W 980 and overclock it is rather good. However its price is not... it's easily as expensive or more than the P7xxxDM models, in which case as a top-end laptop and top-end pricetag I would not suggest it. I've seen users find a decently-specced GT72 elsewhere for cheap ($1500 USD or so) and I've told them cleanly there is no better machine for that price, and told them to grab it quickly. But it's somewhat rare that one finds such a thing.

Again, I want to be very clear. I look at almost every midranged and up machine on the market and find the strengths and weaknesses and prices and determine what the best per budget is. The only machine which I am very remiss to recommend even if found cheaply is ASUS machines, which are a living hell to clean and maintain, and whose warranty is voided (and I am not joking) even if you swap your hard drive from slot 1 to slot 2. And if I do tell someone to get the go-ahead, I make sure that they return, not RMA, and buy a new one, if anything goes wrong with their machine within early ownership days. I understand full well that many users have had great and lovely working, long-lasting ASUS machines here and outside of NBR... however the sheer number of cases I can always find, even from people I know that take good care of their machines, where ASUS has had them endless problems and stuck them in a RMA hell of sorts is not insignificant. It's a large enough chance that I simply prefer to steer people clear of them on MY recommendation (if they want to get it on their own against my cautions and it doesn't work, then I will not be held accountable... and if it does work, then more power to them and I hope they enjoy it).

But MSI, Gigabyte, Alienware, Clevos and Lenovos are all considered by me each refresh they make. Hell, I'm even going to take Acer's upcoming Predator with the 980 in it seriously unless it's proven stupid.

If somebody, ANYBODY, makes a better machine in a certain price or performance bracket, I change my recommendations. Before the AW17 R2 and up line, I would have suggested AW to anyone who wanted the best and had the money to pay for it. I know my P370SM3's only advantage over the M18x R2 is that it has a 120Hz panel. Cooling is better, functionality is better, etc. It's only that they got screwed by nV with drivers for a while, but that seems fixed now.

I may sound like I scream "Clevo Clevo Clevo" all the time, but there's reasons for it, and if some other manufacturer would actually put the bloody effort in without overcharging for it, I would be EXTREMELY happy to not recommend Clevos. I said it before, even here. Their software is garbage. Fixing software issues is easier than fixing hardware issues, sure, but for example I just found out the Logitech G933 headset I was considering conflicts with the clevo hotkey app, meaning I can't use both. Either I delete the hotkey app or I use the headset... but the hotkey app is needed for some audio functions to work right after putting the laptop to sleep, etc. I wouldn't have this issue on a MSI, let's say.

The difference between Clevo and other manufacturers though, is that through Prema, Clevo has been taking our feedback for use in new machines. The MUX switches are because we asked. The larger power bricks for the P6xxxRG models is because we asked. The P870DM is also likely because we asked. Gsync for all the models is probably our asking too. I guarantee you that the businesses they normally deal with aren't the ones asking.

If Clevo fixes their software issues (and touches up their hardware quirks like the keyboards) faster than other manufacturers fix their hardware issues (or prices, in the case of MSI's GT72), then I'm going to pretty much end up recommending them forever.

 

a post I made about ASUS craptops last year. I wish they worked, really, the price is good, design is good, just small problems that make them unusable to me:

Spoiler

1) Returned my ASUS G751JY


2) ASUS = 0 quality, it's a matter of luck if you get a 100% working ASUS laptop, or any piece of hardware made by ASUS.


3) All the latest and previous last 3 Gen ASUS ROG laptops have USB port issues, it's all over their ROG forums


4) And old post I made 1 year back.......

Spoiler

after owning 4 ASUS laptops...I would never buy an ASUS laptop again...but if you had to choose between the above 2 the JZ no question

Never had an Alienware before because of its high price. I had 3 ASUS Gaming laptops, G73Sw, G75VW, and G750JX

After being frustrated with ASUS's bad driver support, and lack of official drivers for Windows 7, I sold my G750JX and got this Alienware.

Now I know why they cost an arm and a leg

1) much better build quality, it's like you bought a Mercedes as opposed to a honda civic

2) Warranty is much better, if the laptop spoils, they will come to your house and fix it at your home the next business day. When my G750JX stopped booting within 6 months of owning it, I had to drive to the service center which is very far, and it took them 7 days to replace the motherboard

3) I wanted a bigger screen and ASUS only have 17.3' screens. This 18.4' screen is a dream to play and surf on

4) I didn't ask for it, but I got a freebie dual GeForce GTX 770M so my performance has never been better

5) I love the lighting effects of Alienware

6) Their audio and KLIPSCH speakers blow the ASUS G750JX out of the water in terms of loudness and quality although both use a Realtek Chipset, but the speakers are better and the Alienware comes with the Dolby Home Theater which improves the audio quality by a great mile

7) All ASUS laptops has a problem with the left USB 3.0 Ports. You plug in a USB 3.0 HDD to the left top or left bottom ports and it will randomly keep disconnecting. That is for all G750 series, JX,JW,JH,JZ,JavaScript, you name it. don't believe me, just hang around on the ROG forums and see the jokes of problems they have. pathetic for the amount of money you pay. problems with screens,m auto dimming problem, contrast problem.

I wouldn't use an ASUS laptop anymore even if they gave it to me for free! cheap Taiwanese crap!

Did I forget to mention...

their implementation of Optimus is messed up...it is very tricky to force games to use your nVIDIA GPU unless you do a lot of settings and even then users on their forums complain that the freakin' games are using the Intel HD Graphics! LOL! horrible!

with Alienware, there are no such mishaps...you press FN + F5 and the laptop reboots activating the nVIDIA GPUs and it's stuck like that until you press FN + F5. no room for error of a gaming even seeing your Intel HD Graphics!

you want Testimony ? Please take the time to read this:

why ASUS? because people who buy ASUS cannot afford Alienware, no other reason on earth...that's a fact...I am one of them...

First laptop, 2 years ago..

G73Sw:

bought it and ran home like a little child wanting to see my lights in the chiclet keyboards....ooops...no lights...tried all driver updates..BIOS update...nope..

Called ASUS, they told me to bring it to the service center it's an easy fix!! whaaaat?? I buy a 2000 USD laptop and go to the service center next day? oh well..I did and they activated it with their BIOS tweak utility that they don't give to customers! great quality control Taiwanese Engineers! send out laptops for sale that don't work properly as advertised...

after 1 week...the screen started giving me fuzzy images...closing/opening the screen lid fixed the problem....wow!! what did I buy? a 1990 Toyotal Corolla or a brand new gaming laptop??

They said they need to replace my screen! wow!! the laptop can't last a week without being repaired! i fought for a refund and got it after a long hassle...

next laptop...

ASUS G75VW,

ASUS decided to remove their awesome creative sound blaster audio chipset and put some cheap VIA audio chipset which made the subwoofer act like a center speaker rather than a subwoofer..

also..I only had the option to get the matte screen...oh well...people say matte is good...right? NOPE! not on ASUS! the ASUS matte screens look as if someone spilled grease all over them. very grainy image especially if you look at a white screen such as these forums or Google..if you look close..you can see the pixels of colorful rainbows! again shocked in awe for this cheap crap!

So I called ASUS complaining about the quality of the screen, they offered to change it to the 3D screen not coz I want 3D, but only because that is the only screen they have that is Glossy..

took the laptop...2 days..I get a call...sorry sir, we changed your screen, but fried your motherboard....we have no spare motherboards...so if you pay $500 USD we can give you a G750JX instead or you can wait till god knows when till we get a motherboard from Taiwan...

so I got the G750JX...

very bad driver support....ASUS released the win 8.1 drivers after 6 months of win 8.1 was released...anyone who upgraded while having the old drivers either got a non booting laptop after the upgrade due to outdated bluetooth/wifi drivers or had horrible problems....

next comes the 2D performance of their GTX770M....there is something not right about it! 3D was fine and performed as it should...but 2D was glitchy and choppy...imagine even a simple game of solitaire..the motion of the cards wasn't fluid...I used to get jealouse when I see my friends' Intel HD Graphics perform so smoothly in the Windows environment while my brand new gaming laptop cries in 2D...opening tabs in firefox...wow..another plethora of jerkiness / slow motion

next...they put cheap Atheros WLAN chipsets which cannot connect above 72 MBPS!! wow! had to pay 50 USD and get a Bigfoot Wireless N-Killer from the US and pay customs just to have a laptop perform like a normal computer

next.... USB 3.0 problems..

basically, I had to connect my USB drives to the right ports and the left ones were kept for my mouse and printer? why? because ASUS cannot produce a piece of hardware that functions right! they claim all ports are USB 3.0 and they are all in blue color...BIG LIE! it wasn't only me, I posted this on the ROG forums and every single one of the members verified the same!

I can't find my thread that I started, but here are 2 examples I quickly grabbed:

Asus G750 USB 3.0 Ports not working with some things

and

Is it normal that the top left USB port is very slow?

ASUS? HELLL NO!!

Worst case scenario, save some money and wait, then get a real gaming laptop from Alienware and be happy for life! rather than bite your fingers after you buy your ASUS

A quick Google search on the G750JX presents exactly what I experienced! I've probably formatted that laptop over 200 times twice daily just trying to make it work but every time some quirk happens...

USB 3.0 sooooo Slow on ASUS g750 jx [Solved] - Asus - Laptop Tech Support

USB problems G750 JX

Just got a G750JX, and with it, a whole suite of problems..

Asus ROG: G750JX-RB71 Screen Ghosting..

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/727019-big-green-float-g750jx-screen.html

G750JX Cheap display, horizontal lines - www.hardwarezone.com.sg

Brand New Asus G750JX-RB71 has been crashing repeatedly

G750JX - 1day old - Black Screen and not Booting

 

^ case in point about ASUS.

You get a good working one? Great. You don't? You're in hell.

 

@iunlock I think the BGA "bashing" is just their way to try and get as many people as possible to demand socketed CPU's. Other than the benefit of being able to easily change the CPU there's not a lot of difference IMO really.

Even the power throttling, my socketed 4700MQ use to throttle just the same as BGA CPU's but seems people are just only starting to realize it's due to the manufacturers with their embedded controller firmware setting the limits and in a lot of cases not due to the CPU. BGA should IMO give better overclocking potential provided it has the supporting hardware to do so.

Now those wanting socketed CPU's have laptops fitted with desktop CPU's so really this should be a dream come true for them. Unless of course they are afraid lack of demand for these will end up in their demise so feel the need to persuade people over to them.

@D2 Ultima i7-6820HQ has 4 overclocking bins, 1 core active 40x and 4 cores active 36x.

 

Problem with high end clevos is that you'd have to be willing to get scalped by the most expensive re sellers to actually get the Prema BIOS, or be left 1+ generations behind.

I don't mind donating to him, but NOT HIDEvolution, Eurocom (or the "partner shops") etc etc.

 

One thing you forget bro!! BGA often means thinner and lighter laptops... What happens then? Of course Use of less robustly cooling. And often use of flimsy shared pipes / Heatsink. Forget proper overclocking. This is due DESIGN. How many of the newer thin laptops allows you to overclock the processor 4.4 - 4.6GHz and run 24/7 such as socket hardware machines made before and now?
And have the opportunity to upgrade graphics card for those wanting this is no small trifle. Although you may have to pay $ 1,000 for this... This is a lot cheaper than buying a brand new machine if you want better grafhics.

 

@Papusan You have one of the greatest laptops money can buy so why do you care?

I'd be more than happy to own one myself but I don't. Unfortunately not all of us can afford such a beast. I still have my GE60 and at the time of purchasing it I would have much prefferred a GT but the GE was all I could afford. Basically I have had to make the best of it. So no, I haven't forgotten at all but perhaps you don't realize some of us have to compromise.

Looks like my next laptop will likely be BGA since I don't foresee having the luxury of affording the best. Please take into consideration how it will sound to be constantly reminded I don't have the best.

BTW although I overclocked my socketed i7-4700MQ, ice.cold seemed to have a more efficient overclock to 4.8GHz with his BGA i7-4700HQ.


@D2 Ultima FWIW should be some GSkill 3200MT/s CL16 DDR4 SO-DIMM out next month.

 

Thank you! I could not have been certain. It's passable, though there's no reason to get it over a 6820HK. Just like there's no reason for the 6700HQ to exist whatsoever. Silly intel.

Truthfully, Sager is just the "cheapest". Mythlogic is a partner and their prices are more in-line with everyone else that re-brands them, and they have better QA than others. They also offer certain things as "default", like colour calibration of monitors and ICD thermal paste, etc. I suppose Sager is just large enough that they can buy in such bulk that they can sell for extra cheap.

Eurocom, specifically, is just extra expensive. I truthfully do not know why. Some of their systems, like the P770DM and P750DM models, are about as cheap as Mythlogic or maybe a little cheaper, considering the same parts (excepting SSDs; they charge much extra for their SSDs for reasons really unknown. I actually asked and did not ever get a response). I'm open to helping whoever wants to be the King of Clevo rebranders, but price is indeed something one needs considering. So far however they're the only laptop reseller in the world that openly supports to-the-limit overclocking... but $1000 extra may be to much to pay for the top brand.

3200MHz 16-16-16-36? That would be pretty good. If the IMCs in these things could handle them, I'd jump at it.

If I had money, I'd jump at it.

I'm broke.

*cries in corner*

 

I pre-ordered a 64GB 3200 MHz. Kit from HIDevolution, once I get them, I will sell my 3000 Mhz. 64GB Kit which I just got 2 weeks ago

I am broke as well, just selling old stuff to make up

 

I don't think you understand the meaning of broke, sir. My bank account is quite literally negative.

 

My bank account is 0 sir, and my credit card is in -10000 USD balance, I over spent on phones and computers. Hoping soon a mirable would happen. Hang in there bro. Stay positive, and positive things will happen. The Secret

 

Proof enough that the 6820HK can hold 4.2 stable on iunlock's machine, though a bit warm without a repaste.
On the other hand, the P870DM needs liquid ultra to not throttle at stock speeds. And delid if you want OC.

It's insane why someone would pay 1k extra to just get a few hundred MHz more than what the mobile chip is capable of. On top of that, you're dealing with insanely high TDP for a (relatively)
small chassis.

Hearing you over the past month is like having a russian on my csgo team constantly yelling "cyka blyat idi nahut pizdat rush b" over and over again with little variation.

True, Mythlogic isn't the cheapest but at they don't scalp as much compared to HID/Euro (even if configured without SSD).

Doesn't every prema partner (myth, euro, hid, avell?) support OC? They say "unlock full potential by prema bios" and vbios on cards.

 

With the bump in performance and having the ability to achieve more power from mobile platforms, I would assume gamers would also expect to be able to game at higher resolutions such as 4k with Max'ed settings. My reference to DDR4 was just brushing on the fact that it is the wave of the future, in which the potential of what it can accomplish will surely be fulfilled in due time, where the DDR3 will hit a road block eventually. As for the 2133MHz with the 11-11-11-31 timing...that is incredibly amazing...great stuff...

Yea I don't know what ASUS is thinking, but the outcome of what we see happening with ASUS reminds me a lot of what will happen to AMD if the Polaris fails for that given sector. ASUS had a chance to nail it...instead, someone drank the cool aid...epic fail.

 

Asus makes best motherboards tho

*cough*extrasocketpins*cough*

 

The P870DM doesn't need CLU to run stock speeds... I'm certain Foxy was able to handle 4.5GHz easily with ICD in benches. But then again, remember that living area makes a HUGE difference. My CPU hits 80c easily in the daytime in various games with CLU and a propped up laptop using max fan speed, for example, but if I go in an A/C room (just to about 25c, down from the 33c+ & high humidity in my normal room) I could abuse my CPU (90% utilization constantly with spikes to 100% on all 8 threads) without propping the laptop up and get cooler temperatures. Far less if I did prop it up and use foil tape on my heatsink for best cooling etc like I have to do normally. Take everything into account for cooling!

Mythlogic's basic prices are higher but I noticed that maxing out machines with them ends up being sometimes negligible differences if you take EXACTLY the same services. For example, when I bought my P370SM3 from them, they were the CHEAPEST with the same configuration. I do not know if HID is partnered with Prema. I don't think they are, and simply act as a middleman for Eurocom, but I could be wrong. Again though, maxing things is always a different story.

4K with maxed settings is not happening anytime soon. Even GP100 is not going to do it. Why? Because games are going to shift to being designed for the R9 300 series and 900 series as a base rather soon. Fermi was discarded in a matter of months after moving on from Series 8 and GTX 200. Now we're getting min spec GTX 660; stronger than Xbox 1 cards. Pascal and Polaris/Vega are coming; PS4 Neo is coming... Kepler is going to be tossed out. Games are just going to unoptimize themselves into the new cards for "acceptable" performances for some people. It always happens~

As for DDR4, it will improve itself eventually. If it can bump its speeds heavily while keeping the high latencies (and not increasing them) then we'll have a nice winner on our hands. But that won't happen for quite some time. DDR3 is already at its roadblock; it's just that most common (non-laptop anyway) DDR3 sticks are much better in latency to speed ratios than DDR4 sticks, which means overall performance is better. It's why people say "1600MHz vs 2133MHz is negligible", because they compare 1600MHz 8-8-8-24 or something to 2133MHz 11-11-11-27. They end up pushing the same amount of data, and at the end of the day, only programs that simply "like" higher speeds benefit. HOWEVER, when you compare say... my 1600MHz 11-11-11-27 to 2133MHz 11-11-11-31, it's a clean cut increase across the board. And comparing 2133MHz 11-11-11-31 to 2133MHz 15-15-15-35 (or 2666MHz 17-17-17-40 like that EVGA laptop has) results in similar performance drops in comparison. Even if the speed could go faster. 14-14-14-35 2400MHz is much more acceptable, though. That's the minimum I'd take in a skylake machine.

ASUS has always been this way, from what I see. If you get a working ASUS anything? Great. But if it's broken, well good freaking luck.

 

My 6700k run 4.5ghz on stock ICD.

 

That kills x99 CPUs too....

 

Well said. I have a feeling we will see a pretty big break through in mobile gaming in the very near future. Exciting times for sure.

 

Those are desktop procs. He was right as of skylake Intel doesnt have socketed mobile processors.
Seems like BGA is taking hold

 

I don't understand your statement. Since Haswell's 2nd refresh when Broadwell was delayed Intel killed socketed mobile chips. This is not "new". It's been two years since they made the change. The point is that BGA shouldn't be the only choice, especially in high end systems where if something goes wrong someone has to lose a particularly good chip. Yes, they're now working properly with respect to power draw capabilities and whatnot, but it was what, 1.5 years until that happened? The point of this thread was to find out if they got to that point (where I would consider them "usable") and we did find this out.

The only breakthrough we're going to get anytime soon is if AMD actually brings something to the table. Otherwise, nVidia has no incentive to do anything. 900M chips have dropped in quality for the last few months and 1000M chips are probably going to be much hotter and draw more power (or be neutered more to keep the power draw bracket) than their 900M counterparts they'll replace. Sure they'll be stronger, but nothing to write home about in terms of amazing.

I hope, though, that OEMs and ODMs improve. Clevo fix their software and MSI fix their hardware & prices and Alienware... whatever the hell I don't know. And for the love of meowmix, somebody tell EVGA they made a joke of a gaming notebook. Two USB ports? REALLY? Nothing uses USB 3.1 type C yet, it's a dead port for peripherals. Let them actually bring something good to the table next time.

 

Meanwhile on the mobile performance / enthusiast segment

 

ive always preferred warm n toasty as opposed to cold n wet

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

I prefer high performance from processor and Gpu vs slim design and weaker cooling. Best-ranked Aw17R3 in 3Dm Firestrike with 6820HK overclocked to 4.1GHz does not perform properly in Firestrike physics score vs OC'd clock speed. 17,2% lower clock speed than my OC'd 6700K but almost 30% lower physics score.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8490250/fs/7767915

However if you rather comparing a 6700Hq in the best-ranked Aw 17R3 , deliver the processor over 60% lower physics score in 3DM Firestrike!!
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7542059/fs/8490250#

All processors from the Skylake family!!

 

To be fair, cpu power not everything that matters.

6700hq will still run fine with 980m without bottleneck.

 

Not in every game and situation. Lots of games from 2015 have ridiculous demands on CPU power. Especially if someone wants to game above 60Hz (and with the gsync screens being generally 75Hz and overclockable, that is a valid statement now, more than it was a year or two ago).

I still truly believe the 6700HQ shouldn't exist. I think the 6700HQ should be basically what the 6820HQ is, (extra L3 cache, 3.2GHz, allow for +200MHz OC), the 6820HK being exactly what it is, and the 6920HQ having Iris Pro would have made the lineup fully fleshed out. 3.1GHz on an entry level i7 chip is just way too low.

The best thing to do here would be to compare the runs using the same clockspeed. But even then, it's likely that the Physics score is more affected by sRAM, and I know your RAM is quite good, Papusan.

 

The only problem is that none of the Aw machines are at the top in Firestrike ranking in 3Dmark.com. + None of the processors can clock very high. This applies both 6820Hk and 6700Hq. Asus, MSI and Acer are ahead now. In the past, there was always some Aw machine at the top of that ranking. Today there is none from the AW community who try to climb up to the very top in Firestrike. Perhaps this says something!!
BTW. I have still my old OEM 2133MHz who is clocked up and lowered the timings. Not high end ram!!

 

Yeah this probably helps.

If ASUS is holding top scores, then something is wrong.

Feel free to try and get someone here to try and beat them, though I guess. *shrugs*. Actually ask them though, or they'll probably just ignore you.

 

Yeah. Feel free to post your very best Firestrike score with your highest OC on Cpu/Gpu. Others can see them here http://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=advanced

 

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6880006 Alienware 17 R3, physics score for just under 4.1GHz seems normal, when compared to...
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8299869 MSI; likely a GT72. Physics scores are barely apart; I could see ~100MHz clockspeed being that difference in physics scores.

It seems it's mainly GPU OCing that's the problem with not having top scores this time?