Anyone have a Samsung HS08XJC (1.8" 5400 drive)

I'm curious what kind of reliability I can expect from this little 5400rpm drive. I'm thinking about getting one to put in my tablet PC.

Thanks!

 

stay away from samsung drives... they seem to have lousy performance and run hot... try looking for some other brand like Hitachi or Western Digital...

 

Quite the generalization there sean
Samsung has the best 1Tb drive on the market now for desktops, so your statement makes them bad, right

I have been running a samsung HM160HC for over 18 months, and I have had no problems.

Samsung is one of those companies like Toshiba which get flamed because they arent the big names like Hitachi and Western Digital.
There is nothing wrong with purchasing a Samsung harddrive. There RMA/replacement policy is as good as Western Digital's, and there drives carry a 3 year warrany.

Samsung and Toshiba are leaders in 1.8" harddrives, so rest assured you are getting a high quality drive.
Hitachi and Western Digital do not even make 1.8" drives

K-TRON

 

Got it in my D430.

It's okay for the size/speed. Not the fastest but it's not slow.

Gets 3.9 on WIE in Windows 7 FWIW.

 

Any improvement from a 4200RPM drive? And do you you notice anything unusual about the temperature?

EDIT: A guy on a tabletPC forum had this to say about the drive...
"I have one in my Kohjinsha SX3, be careful with this one, it runs very hot. It's at 51 degrees Celsius all the time, I would go for an SSD instead."

 

most probably but if u can find a 7200rpm one , it would be great... but i'm not sure whether u can find 1.8" 7200rpmm drive..

 

Sean, there arent any 7200rpm 1.8" drives. I think the reason behind that was that the manufacturers couldnt isolate the vibration from the motor properly in such a small package.

The fastest 1.8" mechanical drive is the 250gb 5400rpm toshiba MK2529GSG.
The 160gb model should be more appealing from a cost standpoint.
However with the price that drive goes for, I would be looking at an SSD instead. You would think 1.8" drives would be cheaper since less material is needed to make the chassis of the drive, pcb, and the platters, but that unfortunately isnt so.

K-TRON

 

You're correct...there are no 7200rpm drives out there...I was reading a thread where the poster described that areal density has a higher impact on a drive's performance than it's speed...in this case, they were comparing a 5400 rpm 1.8" 40gb dual platter drive, to a 4200rpm single platter 80gb drive.

Unfortunately, this drive won't work in my tablet-which uses a PATA ZIF HD interface-and I don't think I will have enough space to fit a interface converter in there of any kind. The HS08XJXC is the fastest PATA ZIF hard disk in a 1.8" form factor. Only thing is, it's dual platter, so perhaps I'd be better off with a single platter 1.8" drive of equivalent capacity, but only 4200rpm.

I'd really like to go the SSD route, as there are few PATA ZIF 1.8" SSD's out there...but they are still prohibitively expensive, and it seems that SSD's still have a way to go in terms of reliability and dependability (based on what I've read on newegg and amazon). It's really too bad, because one would think that SSD's would be the most reliable storage out there, inch for inch.

 

well, ssds are about the most reliable storage out there, if you just stay away from the companies that sell you anything to make quick money.

the zif 32gb mtron runs in a tablet setup now for what? 2 years? 1.5 at least i guess. it's a great drive, allowing the tiny old tablet to really feel like a new high end pc. sadly, it just doensn't have a 64gb option, which would be more appropriate..

no clue how reliable the other options are. the newest runcores should be fine, too.

but the samsung drive here at least gives you the feel of an ordinary laptop, unlike the 4200rpm drives that exist normally. a friend has an 80gb 4200rpm drive. this thing is slow like nothing else today.. terrible..

 

Thanks for your suggestion on the Mtron--I'll do some research and start saving my dollars. An initial check on the specs reveals some good numbers. I haven't received the tablet yet, so I don't know what to expect from the 4200rpm drive...just my prior experience from my laptops of yore.

My tablet in question is an LE1700, still made by Motion Computing (1.5 GHz Core 2 Duo, up to 4 gigs of ram, 12" 1400x1050 LCD with active digitalizer, but only has a PATA ZIF connection...no SATA ). It does have two mini PCIe slots, so maybe I'll take advantage of those and put an SSD in one of those slots. It's pretty much a no compromising tablet PC, but the downside are the limited HD options due to the HD form factor requirement.

My main laptop is an ECS S20II, which takes a 2.5" SATA drive. Right now I have a WD5000BEVT in it, and with 500 GB of space to work with, I dread having to find a way to fit similar capacity into the tablet. One idea I have is just to use a home server, or mayyybe a NAS.

I'll keep the thread updated with what I end up getting.

 

it mainly depends on your storage setup, if you can life with 32gb. it's an interesting tablet. but i'd prefer my 2730p (you want it?, i want to get the 2740p by now anyways ). screen res is a bit lower (1280x800) sadly, but otherwise it's c2d 1.86ghz, sata intel x18-m ssd (much faster than anything you can ever get on zif), and thanks to being a convertible, it replaced my need for any other laptop..

but i'm interested in following your thread. one thing i can tell you: at least get the 5400rpm drive..

 

The 2730p is an awesome convertible-but the Motion tablet came down in the end as the winner because of the screen's high resolution. Maybe someday I'll get one...it's got a pretty nice feature set. The 2730p, fortunately, comes with a SATA connection, but still takes only a 1.8" drive.

You're right, the 2740p sure is a nice upgrade from the older 2730p...apparently it's coming out soon.


For those following the thread or for those searching in the future, I've narrowed the drives down to this list (all 1.8" PATA ZIF, no SSDs in the list yet):
Samsung HS122JC-120GB-5400RPM-average price ~ $150
Samsung HS08XJC- 80GB -5400RPM- $120 ~ 140
Toshiba MK1011GAH - 100GB- 4200RPM ~$100-120
Toshiba MK2431GAH - 240 GB - only for iPod/external USB- not compatible as a boot drive - $250+

Just for kicks...
MTRON ZIF PATA 1.8" 32GB SSD ~$250 - 16GB ~ $150

...and for those with microsata
Toshiba MK1216GSG - 5400RPM 120GB
Toshiba MK8016GSG - 5400RPM 80GB
Toshiba MK1617GSG - 5400RPM 160 GB


Finally, here is a great primer on 1.8" drives from Tom's... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/small-beautiful,1249.html

 

yeah, the res sure is nice... *envy*
the 1.8" doesn't bother you. it's the zif that limits you. there are some nice ssds out there, some of the performance leaders have 1.8" versions out. so it doesn't matter there that the options are smaller, as long as they're good enough

yeah. and i hate it. i planned to be happy with the 30p.. but now.. seeing it has more usb ports, multitouch, and some newer hw in... *wantone*

to add: runcore IV zif

16GB RCP-IV-Z1816-C $119.99
128GB RCP-IV-Z1828-C $459.99
32GB RCP-IV-Z1832-C $159.99
64GB RCP-IV-Z1864-C $259.99

 

I have the D430 with the 5400 rpm samsung. It's okay but it feels slow compared to the other notebooks with 7200rpm hd.

Thinking about upgrading but prices for the 1.8" zif ssds are insane.
Here are some cheaper ones with somewhat slower performance.

32gb Kingspec 1.8" zif - $115 ebay (64gb - $190)
# 0.2ms Access Time
# 64MB/s Read Speed
# 51MB/s Write Speed

32gb supertalent 1.8 zif - $125 (64gb - $165)
* Sequential Read Rate: 80 MB/sec (max)
* Sequential Write Rate: 40 MB/sec (max)
* Access Time: 0.1 ms

Are these really much slower than the mtron or the runcore?

edit:

Fortunately the laptop came with the 5400rpm drive. I honestly thought it was a 4200rpm before checking the hd under device manager. :O

Hottest it gets was about 35c. Usually runs at 29/31. Not to bad. The u7700 in the d430 on the other hand...tsk tsk

I'm 95% sure I'm going to purchase an SSD. A computer that small and portable deserves something better. And it's got decent speed with the u7700.

 

yes, they're much slower. the read/write speeds are unimportant for ssds. i would go for a runcore one, or the mtron, myself.

unsure about the supertalent, could be fine.