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    BENCHMARKED - Hitachi 7K750

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by anseio, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    I just got my Hitachi 750GB 7200RPM 7K750 today and am so excited. It's super quiet. And... judging by the benchmarks, pretty fast, IMO. I had posted a thread wanting to know what benchmarks people would like to have run and these were what was requested.

    AS SSD
    CrystalDiskMark (1000MB)
    HD Tune
    AS SSD copy benchmark

    edit - added Anvil Storage Utilities score
     

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    ramgen -- Morgan Stanley --

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    Thanks + rep.

    HDTune looks particularly interesting. The drive was able to keep the peak performance throughout the entire first half. I have never seen such behavior before. It was supposed to decline almost immediately starting from the beginning...


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  3. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    I think it was an issue with HD Tune. Should have had higher read rates in the beginning that tapered down to meet where the curve begins. I ran it several times and got the same results. The other programs didn't have this issue.

    edit: HDTune displayed this behavior with the HDD in the optical bay AND in an external eSATAp enclosure.
     
  4. Phil

    Phil Retired

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    Thanks!

    Can someone with 750GB Black post the same benchmarks?
     
  5. SoundOf1HandClapping

    SoundOf1HandClapping Was once a Forge

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    Damn, that's pretty impressive speed for a spinner.

    My score for AS SSD Copy was 149 for my Samsung. The Hitachi hits 226.74. Plus it's bigger.
     
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    Audizzz Notebook Consultant

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    ....cant wait
     
  7. gull_s_777

    gull_s_777 Notebook Consultant

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    well i have this test only from WD7500BPKT.(from a friend)
     

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    vws Newbie

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    Perhaps try the latest version ( 4.6.x) and see if that HDTune bug is fixed?

    I'm interested to see the "Random Access" benchmarks from HD Tune Pro if it's convenient for you. Thanks in advance!
     
  9. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Here are the results from the random access test.
     

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  10. Nemix77

    Nemix77 Notebook Deity

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    Oranges and apples,.. The Hitachi is definitely the quietest, coolest and fastest 750GB hard drive with all the included criteria. Hands down a better buy than a WD Black if you're looking for less noise/vibration, less heat with a bit of unnoticeable performance loss over the WD Black. Oh and it's also a AF (Advanced Format) drive, sorry Momentus.

    Very much appreciated anseio for the benchmarks and testing.
     
  11. Phil

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    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    Thank you very much for these scores.

    Could you do a couple more?

    See:
    Anvil Storage Utilities Releases New Storage and SSD Benchmark - The SSD Review


    Download Anvil Storage Utilities from the above link, extract (or copy...) the exe file to the drive you want to test and click Run.

    Click the 'Screenshot' button and post/upload here.

    You may also want to post in this thread for ASU:

    See:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sol...h-storage/599219-anvil-storage-utilities.html


    Thanks! :)


    I have to say, the current Hitachi offerings (at any particular point in time) have always been the best of the best for me - better overall than what any other manufacturer offers (sad to see them bought out...) even if they did happen to be more $$$ too.

    I almost regret moving to SSD's (main/boot drives) in almost all my systems and will not see this drive in action for myself! lol...

    If Hitachi were to have released an SSD - I could almost guarantee that if they remained true to their HDD heritage, it would have been the most desirable blend of features and performance available (not to mention reliability).

    No matter, Cheers! to the new performance king @ the 750GB size!

    anseio, enjoy your new drive. :)
     
  13. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Thanks!

    Just uploaded the ASU results to my original post. I was worried that now having the drive half full would be an issue. As you can see, by the score, it was not. :p

    I do have to say that it does feel a bit snappier, if that's even possible.
     
  14. The_Stinger

    The_Stinger Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks for the benchmarks anseio!
    Just ordered one.
     
  15. funky monk

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    Instead of benchmarks, I'd like to see how a scorbio black hold uo to this in real world use. Things like boot tests and application loading, or anything which doesn't simply depend on raw data rates.
     
  16. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Sadly, I'm not going to invest in the Scorpio, so I won't be able to provide a side-by-side.

    I think the objective benefit of the Hitachi drive is how amazingly quiet it is.
     
  17. The_Stinger

    The_Stinger Notebook Consultant

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    My 7K750 should be arriving tomorrow. Intend to replace the 320 GB Hitachi in my HP. I'd like to clone the boot Win 7 partition from the old HDD to the new drive using Acronis, but a couple of things concern me:

    - the HP does not have a second hdd bay, but i have an acomdata 2.5 enclosure which currently hosts a 500GB 5400 RPM drive. It has a dual USB cable and I wonder if it would be able to supply enough power for the 7K750 so I can do the cloning.

    - the 7K750 is an advanced format drive so would I be able to align the cloned Win 7 Partition properly using Hitachi Align Tool?
     
  18. Audizzz

    Audizzz Notebook Consultant

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    I use 3.5 enclosure with any HDD to clone from Laptop - Acronis will create One file only.
    then switch 2.5 500gb to 7k750
    and
    using acronis restore from image

    I do it all the time
    of course Acronis should be on CD/DVD to boot

    dont know about alignment...
     
  19. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    My 7K750 is a data drive, but I was worried about cloning, given the different formats (the 7K750 being advanced format). I just did a file copy using SincToy

    At the same time that my Hitachi arrived, I was trying to change my friend's HDD from WD 160GB 5400RPM to Seagate 7200.4 500GB 7200RPM. Did bit-for-bit clones and his machine refused to boot up. I assumed it was an alignment issue or a cluster something or another.

    So, I used Acronis to make a disk image. Restored that image to the Seagate and everything was just fine.

    I guess... if you're looking to Acronis to do a bit-for-bit clone, I'd avoid that. If Acronis clones differently, perhaps it will work. Can't hurt to try and find out though. Just losing time. :p
     
  20. ARGH

    ARGH Notebook Deity

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    how quiet is quiet, would you say? i mean, is it as quiet as a really quiet 5400rpm drive?

    i have 2 WD 750gb scorpio blacks in raid 1 array and they sound like a little fan constantly running even in idle the dba specs are 28 dba in both idle and activity.

    i like their performance but if the hitatchi is just as fast and ultra quiet i will probably switch.
     
  21. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    I don't really know what to say about how quiet they are. I've never had a WD to compare to. As far as I'm concerned, the drives are silent. If I put my ear against my keyboard, above the HDD, I can hear it spinning. I cannot hear it under any other circumstances.
     
  22. TwiztidKidd

    TwiztidKidd Notebook Evangelist

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    How quiet it is? It really depends on the laptop you put it in and if you use those silicone shock absorbers around the hard drive caddy. The smaller the laptop the louder it will be. I have the test for my wd 500 black, I'm looking to get a wd 750 black supposedly they're faster.
     
  23. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Well, it's also extremely quite in my external eSATAp enclosure.
     
  24. The_Stinger

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    Finally put one in my HP DV6. The drive is almost inaudible and there's no vibration at all. The temps idle - heavy load are 34-43 C, but I guess it depends on the laptop design.

    When I had the drive in an eSATA enclosure connected to my Asus laptop and the drive was empty it reached similar benchmark results as anseio's.

    Unfortunately when I put it in the HP and the drive was about 40% full the numbers were lower ~117 Mb/s sequential read/write in Crystal mark (I'll try to put some screenshots tomorrow). I don't know if this is because the drive is not empty anymore, or because the SATA controller is different. For some reason I can't control the acoustic management when it's in the HP, so it might be set to silent rather than to performance mode.

    I have to add 2 more things:
    - the drive worked flawlessly in my enclosure through USB and needed only one port to power which means for 7200 RPM it is very power efficient.
    - used Acronis to clone from a non advanced format drive and no alignment was needed.
     
  25. TwiztidKidd

    TwiztidKidd Notebook Evangelist

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    Go thru the HP stuff installed for your laptop you might have one of these active.

    Usually when it's active and you tap on your laptop it shows either on x,y or z.
     
  26. The_Stinger

    The_Stinger Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks TwiztidKidd, the thing that I have is HP 3D Drive Guard. Disabled it, but the results became even worse.
    Maybe it's because the other guys are testing empty partitions and mine is ~40% full.
     

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    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Mine is now 40% full as well. I'll test it again once I get home and have my power supply connected.
     
  28. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Here are my new benchs w/ the drive 44% full. CDM is lower and HDTune is still high.

    The Stinger. You should update your copy of HDTune. The older versions don't seem to test this drive very well. I had the same curve that you did until I updated.
     

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    The_Stinger Notebook Consultant

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    I updated the HD Tune result. You would be suprised how the copy benchmark of ASSD changes when the drive is no longer empty.
     
  30. ARGH

    ARGH Notebook Deity

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    how do you achieve such a straight bench curve? my 750gb scorpios are all over the place. there is hdd activity all the time, like little flashes or burst every 1 or 2 seconds but not sure what could be doing it. i even tried the bench in safe mode and same results. maybe it is because i have a raid 1 array and it is doing more work. or maybe it is because my disk is about 65% full.
     
  31. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Don't know what to tell you. I actually think that my curve is quite choppy. I've seen way smoother curves from different computers. Different HDD's in question, of course.

    Mine is a data drive. The OS does not a have to access it when idle. Perhaps that is the difference? If yours is in RAID, then that would mean that the OS spans both drives, correct? Any HDD activity would then happen on both at the same time? Perhaps you'd get smoother curve by placing one in an enclosure (eSATA) and testing it on a different machine?
     
  32. ARGH

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    that's probably it, that yours is only a data drive. my drives are main drive so it would explain the constant activity due to OS.
     
  33. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    What's the sound level/activity of your Scorpio's? The 7K750 is so amazingly silent.
     
  34. ARGH

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    the sound level is locked at 28dba per WD's spec sheet and i can confirm that. there is simply an audible spinning of the drives that sounds like a small fan running or something equivalent. there is no additional noise when reading or writing or any other hdd activity.

    so it is almost like a double edge sword in a way. i imagine other drives are silent at idle but during activity you can easily hear the pinging and knocking of the head reading / writing. the WD is simply a constant running noise.

    when all system fans turn off on the laptop i expect absolute silence but the WD spinning platters are clearly audible. it will be something that i will have to get used to because i really do like the performance out of these compared to the 5400 drives i have always had. i have about 110 processes running in windows so this drive allows me to open folders and internet much faster even while the system is still booting up compared to the 5400 drives choking before the system fully loads.
     
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    Hi, I thought I would chip in for those who are following the thread with an intention to buy. I ordered one right after I read the benchmarks. I was looking for a bit of speed upgrade and some added capacity for my late-2010 13" Macbook Pro (2.4 C2D, 4 GB RAM, 250 GB stock Toshiba drive).

    Here are my observations: The drive is definitely very cool and very quiet. I have not really noticed a difference in the battery life. So, all is good there.

    However, there is noticeable vibration. The aluminum palm rest that seemed solid now vibrates. The whole computer feels like a massager running out of batteries. So, let the buyer beware.

    Performance-wise, the difference is quite noticeable. If you want to get double the advantage, try doing a fresh-install of Lion when you get the drive. Your machine will feel zippy like never before (I never had an SSD).
     
  36. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    If I were you, I'd return the drive as defective. Hitachi's are known for their silence and stability. It'd be nice to rule out the laptop by placing the Hitachi into an enclosure and seeing if it still vibrates.
     
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    Hi Anseio,

    In fact, I did precisely that when setting up Lion. The hard drive does not vibrate in the enclosure. It might have something to do with the aluminum body's resonance.
     
  38. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Dang apple. Perhaps a tiny slip of paper or something in between two surfaces can stabilize things?
     
  39. CoreEye5

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    Perhaps noise is one reason laptops typically come with 5400 RPM drives, in addition to power savings and that they're cheaper drives (=profit for mfg.).

    I won't be installing a 7200 RPM drive in my Samsung notebook, mostly because I can't stomach not using the perfectly good - if only 5400 RPM - 640 GB drive supplied with the machine. My Series 3, being a mid-priced design, has so much plastic on it that it would probably just soak up any extra vibrations.
     
  40. ajreynol

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    I too am interested in this for my 2011 MBP's second hard drive but mostly for the space rather than the speed. But I'm not sure how this will affect overall battery life? It will only be a data drive, really. what's the difference in battery life in going from 5400 to 7200 these days?

    Would I be a better candidate for simply getting a 1TB 5400 rpm HDD? (I use my HDD for storing edited video files, photoshop documents and games)
     
  41. GP-SE

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    battery life is usually the same, or a little worse (maybe loose 15mins of battery life)
    I have a 2010 MBP, with a scorpio black 750, I'd say battery life is the same
     
  42. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Personally, I'd still use a 7200RPM drive.
     
  43. vaio.phil

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    ^Yeah me too my hitachi 500GB 7200 rpm data drive is fast and quiet. #nice
     
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    understood. thanks for the insight, gentlemen.
     
  45. The_Stinger

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    Another proof that the drive does not use much power over the 5400 RPM is that I used it in an USB enclosure and it needed only one USB port to power. Many 7200 RPM drives need at least 2 USB ports to function.
     
  46. Nemix77

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    Guys I've been comparing your HDTune results to a 7K500 and noticed the burst rate is significantly lower, is there an explanation for this and how does the burst rate effect performance?

    From this link: http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...rades/604870-benchmarked-hitachi-7k750-5.html

    I would expect the 7K750 to have over 200mb burst compared to just 200mb on the 7K500 and if you notice the Black 500GB (non AF) is slightly lower 175mb compared to the Black 750GB AF's 185mb burst, why is this the case for the 7k750?

    Shouldn't the burst be higher on the 7K750 as oppose to the 7K500?

    PS. I don't think is a HDTune program error because the 7K750 is a AF drive, if this is the case the Black 750GB AF would also be affected in the benchmarks.
     
  47. funky monk

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    Burst rate is when it uses the cache. The 7k500 and 7k750 would likely use the same cache so the burst rate would be identical.
     
  48. Nemix77

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    I went and read up what burst rate is, it'll only affect performance ever so slightly not something to be worried about. Even the Samsung 470 256MB SSD only has a burst of 100mb.

    I think I'll be placing my order soon and selling the brand new 7K500.
     
  49. ARGH

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    on my WD scorpio 750gb drives sitting in RAID 1 array, the older hdtune gives much higher performance benchmark then the latest hdtunePro free version.

    86MB/s average for the older 2.53 version and only 50MB/s with the latest new version. plus the curve graph on the older version is much smoother than the new version, where it is all over the place.

    i am guessing that the newest hdtune version is no compatible with the latest intel raid controller or something?

    edit; nvm, either these WD drives are defective or they do not function normal in raid 1. i switched to the 7k750 and raid 1 is normal under these.
     
  50. ARGH

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    here are the pics of the old hdtune vs. the newer one....

    edit; switched out the WD drives for hitatchi. no more slow raid 1 performance.
     

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