Broadwell H quad core models i7-5700HQ, i7-5750HQ, i7-5850HQ, and i7-5950HQ

Obviously very close now to Broadwell quad core in mobile platform, found this Intel document. Cannot see any MQ models, therefore if I was to guess then HQ models only which are BGA.
No MX extreme edition models on the list, they should have all options enabled in theory, and should be listed if otherwise to be released too.

http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCgQFjAC&url=http://i.crn.com/custom/INTELBCCSITENEW/guide-to-intel-core-vpro-5th-generation-brief.pdf&ei=ZCLwVND_J4Tp8AW_7YDQDA&usg=AFQjCNEHyz7oPtp_0uA64UCRlizKppxZiw&bvm=bv.87269000,d.dGc

You guess what processors will be in these notebooks. I guess they will not be U models in the coming soon Y70 and Y40-80 although more probable the large notebook would be a quad. If I was able to look into a crystal ball, then I am thinking a matter of a month or two away.

http://shopap.lenovo.com/nz/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/

I am thinking based on the U series that the 50 models of the HQ series will have HD6000 (48 EU) graphics and the lowest end model i7-5700HQ will be HD5500 (24 EU). Chances are most notebooks will be shipped with the lowest model i7-5700HQ as they normal are.

Also see a i5-5350H in there, guessing that will be a 35W dual core part that would have higher clocks and not throttle back as aggressively as the U parts usually do.

 

Great find. Some new features vs Haswell.

Makes me wonder if we wont see Skylake Quads until 2016 after all.

 

Careface, BGA can go to hell.

 

Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, BGA seems to be the only direction here from Broadwell onward.
It won't really matter whether you choose to stay with Haswell or not because you won't have an option to upgrade to something better anyway (unless Intel allowed it, and I very much doubt that to be the case).
So, CPU-wise, no dice.

GPU-wise, it may be different, but probably not for very long.
The only things I can see being left intact for potential upgrades would be the SSD/HDD and RAM.
Sans that, nothing else.

Even desktops would not be able to upgrade to Broadwell or from Broadwell to Skylake... even if they were modular, Haswell to Broadwell would be a no-go probably, and Broadwell to Skylake even less so due to full transition to BGA.

So... your only option is to be stuck with older technology (aka Haswell) and not being able to upgrade either way.
Will that prevent you from getting new systems in the future?
Unless the performance gains are minor, then the answer will likely be 'no'.

 

Even Haswell HQ BGA based processors have been implemented over the last year are in most new notebooks, there isn't much around that is MQ socket anymore unless someone buys old stock.

I am not expecting to see much if any MQ processors with Broadwell. For me it doesn't matter that much, I don't tend to keep anything long enough to care and use it how it is.

 

There won't be any socketed mobile Broadwell processors

 

Indeed.
I have noticed that many Haswell based laptops for instance are already offered as soldered.
The question is... how do we distinguish the laptops which have a soldered CPU and a swapable GPU?
Swap-able GPU's in the case of Nvidia Maxwell seem to feature higher amounts of VRAM as opposed to their soldered versions.

Furthermore, I'd prefer laptops with ready access to internal components (removal of lower panel) for easier maintenance (such as manual dust cleaning and repasting) as opposed to complete disassembly.

I've also noticed that some laptops are being delivered with full blown desktop CPU's such as this one:
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/octane-15/

How would those fare temperature wise?

 

I can guarantee that I won't be buying anything other than enthusiast-grade hardware again, which means my next purchase will be either Skylake-E or Cannonlake-E, in a desktop system. I require too much control over my CPU's TDP and clockspeeds for the HQ chips to be even halfway good.

If desktop CPUs in laptops are not the new norm for Clevo (I.E. they continue in the vein of their new ZM line) I won't be buying a new, high end notebook. I'll get a midrange model like a W350SSQ-type machine and I'll have a desktop for all the big gaming. Because that's what Intel and nVidia want, honestly. They don't want laptops to have good hardware anymore. End of story.

 

HQ chips are still fine, if stays the same as the current Haswell with some unlocked multipliers, in which can use Intel XTU to drop the voltage down a little and/or overclock a couple of bins higher. I guess in D2 case his requirements are way higher for super powerful large/heavy platform. Most 99% of people beyond these forums just see 5th Gen in specs with i7 and think wow great I will buy that.

If the i7-5750HQ has Intel HD6000, I would be happy enough with that in a light and thin mobile device. I already have a Ivy Bridge-E (6-core) and a Haswell-E (8-core) desktops for heavy weight power where needed.

 

HQ chips have an inborne power limit. Under load, they either limit themselves to 47W or 57W, regardless of what settings are set in the BIOS or intel XTU. The higher level HQ chips like the overpriced 4980HQ can go well past the 57W limit under the turbo boost power time window of just over 2 minutes, but then instantly snap back down to about 47W. It means that:

1 - Overclocking is worthless on the more expensive chips

2 - The stock chips are only worth their salt if you use it for loads that don't surpass their power limits. Things like rendering a fast-compression video using X264 via Handbrake (example: rendering over a shadowplay video to cut down on filesize before uploading) can use all the way up to 70W on my chip, and it's not overvolted and it's only at 3.8GHz. The 4910MQ is 3.7GHz at stock, which means that chips like that can (and will) overdraw the power limits even at stock and throttle when doing certain tasks. Tasks that a lot of users buy machines for; such as on-location rendering/video editing, etc.

3 - The HQ chips are advertised as the MQ chips were with "limited overclocking" capabilities, but the chips themselves are designed to NOT sustain the boosted clocks (or even stock turbo) at stock settings, which means that this is borderline illegal. Since they can't change the chip specs mid-launch, the new chips might not support OCing at all; and you only get stock from whatever you buy, which means we've went further backwards in time in tech advancements for laptops.

Now, you might be a 60fps gamer and none of this will apply much to you... but for anyone who actually uses their CPU for anything, it instantaneously destroys any and all usefulness of laptops as a proper "desktop replacement" machine. It's like one of those 10-wheel trucks. You know, two in front, then four double-wheel spaces at the back? The ones that carry shipping containers etc?
Imagine if I sold you one of those with 6 wheels instead of 10, and denied you the ability to attach the other 4 wheels. It'd be fine if you only attached light loads, but for users who need to carry the heavy stuff, what are they going to do? There's no alternative anywhere. You don't care because you don't need more than 6, but it's undeniably a step backward in the field when there are no more choices for 10 wheel trucks anymore.

I understand that I'm one of the people who need 10 wheels and say 90% of people only need 6, but the lack of choice is the stupid part. ESPECIALLY if the 6-wheel trucks cost the same as the 10-wheel trucks.

 

Looks like this next gen is going to suck for you then if no MQ or MX. More money in high volume low cost parts for Intel and their manufacturing partners.

 

Wouldn't the i7-5750HQ have an Iris Pro 6200? The i7-4750HQ had the Iris Pro 5200, so it would make sense if the 5750HQ had the 6200.
Side note, but wouldn't the i7-5700HQ have the HD 5600? Not so sure about the i5-5350H, though. Maybe the HD 5600 as well.

 

Yeah, this gen, and the next gen, and probably the one after that is going to suck. I don't know if it'll ever "not suck".

Which is why if things don't change back to the good old days of ~2010-2013, then when my CPU isn't good enough and my GPUs aren't upgrade-able anymore, I'll simply buy a desktop and either keep this for on the go or buy a new midrange clevo for use on the go.

 

Even better If the Iris Pro 6200 is in the 5X50 models, then I certainly be happy at that.
If Apple puts any of these 5X50 in a MacBook Pro 15 Retina, surely the base model will require to be at least Iris Pro. Therefore could well be the case being Iris Pro.
On the other hand, very little manufacturers used the Iris Pro in their notebooks, so let hope that is different this time around. Otherwise we will be looking a whole heap of i7-5700HQ only designs everywhere.

As far as desktop replacement goes, I am still happy with my 2011 Alienware M17x R3 with 7970M upgrade, does what I need for 1080p and the TV it is hooked up to.

 

Yeah. The rate Intel is going? Haswell will be plenty powerful for a few years still. If I manage to upgrade this the way I want it, I'll have two 980Ms and a 4910MQ at 4.3GHz on this. I don't think I'll "need" an upgrade for quite some time if I do that. Hell I don't even "need" one now. I "want" one for 24/7 120fps in some games (games that like to use 50-60% in SLI and not run at 120 constant... eyeing you down BF4...). But I don't need one. XD.

 

Time for the enthusiast laptop makers to band together and push back against Intel or make their own socket adapter.

 

Sorry to bump a ~3 month thread, but we're now seeing the first Broadwell full volt CPUs in laptops, particularly in MSI's GT72 and GS60 (or laptop's in general).
If that is nort enough, tom's hardware might have leaked such information earlier before taking it down.

 

Seems to be somewhat of a mix between a 4710HQ and a 4800MQ... the base clock is as the 4800MQ is (2.7) but the boost clock should stop at 3.3GHz for quad. If it stops at 3.5GHz that'd be somewhat more impressive for the minimum i7 for broadwell, but if the chips are TDP limited then it's absolutely moot, as we know broadwell draws a bit more than haswell under loads. In fact it'd be more likely to throttle.

 

Well they (the Broadwell Mobile Quads) appear to be officially here:

Look like a drop in replacement (soldered onboard or course, it is an HQ) as the MSI GS60 has it already.

About time. Broadwell mobile quad might be short lived or Intel will make people wait a long time for Skylake quads e.g. End of year or start of 2016.
I could imagine HP will want to update their Omen to Broadwell and 960M. And Alienware will just jam in the Broadwell quad to their AW15 and 17 to get a long life span out of its current model.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-5700HQ-Notebook-Processor.143892.0.html

Some slides in the link below with the mobile details.
Some details about the Intel Iris Pro 6200, which is looking great, although appear to been benched on desktop CPU but the mobile chips have the same IGPU

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-5...rocessors-launched-computex-14nm-desktop-pcs/

 

Officially launched: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9326/intel-launches-five-47w-laptop-broadwell-skus

Most of them (even the dual core i5) have Iris Graphics.

 

(I feel as if I have repasted this a thousand times.)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2865...els-skylake-chips-in-second-half-of-year.html

 

Hopefully.. I doubt it though... Let's wait and see..

 

Ouch, those temperatures and benchmark numbers don't look too good vs Haswell.

Seems like Broadwell is getting noticeably hotter than Haswell, there may be even some throttling going on.

For comparison, here is what I get on my two-versions-older MSI GS60 with Haswell CPU (CPU/GPU temp ranges due to ambient temperature variation + measurement randomness):

MSI GS60 with i7-4710HQ (Haswell), FHD, GTX 970M

3dmark 11 total: 8,856 (<= lower due to single channel RAM, others get 9,100+)
3dmark 11 graphics: 9,965
3dmark 11 physics: 6,571 (<= lower due to single channel RAM, others get 8,000+)
max CPU temp: 73-75 C
max GPU temp: 70-71 C

3dmark firestrike total: 6,626
3dmark firestrike graphics: 7,628
3dmark firestrike physics: 8,801 (<= lower due to single channel RAM, others get 9,200+)
max CPU temp: 75-78 C
max GPU temp: 76-79 C

MSI GS60 with i7-5700HQ (Broadwell), 4K, GTX 970M

3dmark 11 total: 9,221
3dmark 11 graphics: 9,882
3dmark 11 physics: 7,848
max CPU temp: 85 C
max GPU temp: 77 C

3dmark firestrike total: 6,019
3dmark firestrike graphics: 6,939
3dmark firestrike physics: 7,549
max CPU temp: 86 C
max GPU temp: 77 C

FHD models were always a bit cooler than 3K/4K ones, but even 4K Haswell model had CPU still in mid-70s C instead of mid-80s C (3dmark 11).

 

Oh well looks like Broadwell Quad is a dud when under load.
On the plus side, better iGPU and might save bit more battery at under basic operation.
In the end Broadwell is just a pimped up Haswell architecture.

Hopefully Skylake can do similar to Nvidia like Maxwell, same node with new architectural tech, faster and less heat.

 

Should I go for a 4710HQ or the new 5700HQ?

 

Without a doubt Broadwell.

I really shouldn't say Broadwell is a dud, the MSI GS60 platform is pretty ****e for cooling, just way to thin. A friend of mine has one and it throttles, even though he doesn't want to believe it.
An i7-4710HQ that I had in a AW15 had no trouble at all, and I would be sure the i7-5700HQ if available would have no issues either.

i7-4710HQ = 2.5 GHz base clock

i7-5700HQ = 2.7 GHz base clock

The newer Boardwell has several other advantages such an faster iGPU, support for faster LPDDR3-1866 (the Haswell stops at 1600), and other tweaks. Keep in mind that Broadwell is considered 5% fast than Haswell clock for clock. Therefore the i7-5700HQ clocked at 2.7 GHz, then a Haswell processor such as the i7-4710HQ would need to run a base clock of 2.835 GHz to match it.
Puts the i7-5700HQ about 335 MHz faster just in general over a i7-4710HQ, which is 13% faster overall.

 

It kinda put me off about it because you said Broadwell was a dud under load lol.. but now you say it is without a doubt better than 4710 so I'm confused. My main fear is that the GS60 will throttle or heat up to insane temps, but I've been clinging on the the hope that the new models with 5700HQ + new 970M (instead of the hot 870M) would make it cooler overall. I've also heard a couple people saying it was a great laptop with great cooling, all opinions were different though. I actually had an AW15 with 970M, and I returned it due to the main fact that it ran like a toaster (even when not playing games), extremely hot on the bottom, very warm keyboard at all times, and the exhaust vents in the back were spewing heat like fire. I could not use it on my lap in bed without putting it on a laptop cooler and positioning myself uncomfortably to accommodate the 2 exhausts to breathe in fear that the laptop would overheat. My only other option besides the GS60 is the GE62 Apache Pro, which has the same exact specs, but weighs 1 lb more and is a bit thicker like your standard laptop. There aren't alot of options for laptops with 970M, I also might mention I don't want to go to Sager Route either. If you know anything about that model, or can compare models and let me know what you think is best, I would really appreciate it as I'm in a tough spot in deciding. You seem extremely knowledgeable as well so maybe you will have the answer for me! lol.

edit: Sorry for the long wall of text

 

I would just go with the newest tech you can get. No doubt you should be able to use Intel XTU and underclock the i7-5700HQ down to 2.4GHz (clock for clock be the same as a stock 2.5GHz i7-4710HQ) and shave off some voltage from the Broadwell in the process making it run cooler.
As you know the 970M is already a beast GPU for what it is. Must have as is new Maxwell with full DX 12, great for windows 10 next month.
I had the AW15, mine ran really nice, very cool and the fans almost never spin up. Was able to use on lap but I used a basic lap desk, the kind without a fan to keep vents clear. You find that any laptop will need the bottom clear to get air around it and into the unit. I returned my AW15 due to it having a noisy bearing in one of the fans. Otherwise I would of kept it.

Everyone is each to their own, friend of mine hates the AW15, but I don't like his GS60 either. The AW is fatter and heavier but better built compared to the GS60. There are obvious trade offs, as said each to their own.

Looks like if you want Broadwell quad right now the GS60 is the only option as it stands.

In any case I be choosing Broadwell quad over any Haswell quad notebooks in any model I should buy right now, even if it meant taking a GS60. Although in my position I can wait it out a bit longer and make do with what I got already for about 4-6 months.

 

Looking at the gigabyte p34w, i7 4720hq gtx 970m 1080p ($1550) but they just released a new version with i7 5700hq gtx 970m 1620p ($1799). Is the difference in price worth it for the broadwell processor and higher resolution? Also, with Skylake coming in August, would I be better off waiting? Thanks.

 

With the budget you're considering and guessing that you have something for now; wait.

 

If I was to spend any money now and couldn't wait. I would go with the 5th gen processor, as it is new release as of June 2015 even though Skylake is around the corner.
Just keep in mind once Skylake is out, the the 4th gen based models of everything, prices will drop and demand will be gone along with the availability.

In you case, looks like the extra money for the unit maybe more for the better screen resolution. The processor part should be around the same tray price for a comparable part.

 

I actually would advise against the P34W... it can't even cool the 970M if you play a demanding enough game on it like Crysis 3... I can't wholeheartedly recommend that specific laptop. And 1620p would more quickly force a GPU bottleneck, so I would doubly suggest against that.

 

the chosen one :
http://ark.intel.com/products/87713/Intel-Core-i5-5350H-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz

 

so are they coool and quiet ? or another haswell oven

 

There could be any number of factors contributing to those lower scores. A poor paste job is most likely causing some throttle. Drivers can also contribute to a range in scores, independent of temperatures. And a lot more lately I have seen GPU's power throttled in the vBIOS, also independent of temperature. And why anyone would test with single channel RAM is beyond me.

 

so should I buy a Broadwell or wait for Skylake?

 

I'm personally waiting for Skylake.

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I'm waiting for Skylake. That said, if you want to see how the Broadwell Core i7-5700HQ behaves, AnandTech has a review of a laptop that uses it. Keep in mind that this is an 18", 4.5kg/10lb monstrosity so if you stuff it into a thin-and-light, it probably won't be as good.

 

The Broadwell i7 5700HQ is a good upgrade for many and is the 'refined' Haswell, but it's like this:

When you first see a girl, she's all you want and think about. When you get her, you're ecstatic and for the next year you're floating on air. When you see a new girl though, even though you have one that is pretty, smart and funny, she's still exciting simply because she's 'new'.

And when you get to know her... well, you're ecstatic and... (the cycle begins again)...

Skylake is the new girl and I want her too.



(Disclaimer; I always want the 'new girl'... ahem... I mean, ah, platform).

 

Your girlfriend doesn't read NBR, am i right?

 

Do we know if Skylake is going to be like Broadwell, where we had -U -Y etc. chips first, which means dual core, and then that's all that's available for a while? I wonder if quad core mobile skylake is going to come out this year or not?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/forget-intel-broadwell-skylake-on-the-way.724059/

 

The first and slowest Broadwell quad mobile i7-5770HQ is pretty darn fast. It maybe only a few percent faster but is enough to be almost as fast as a Haswell extreme edition mobile processor and can kick it with the desktop processors.

Preview with benchmarks here http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2015/07/07/intel-core-i7-5700hq-review/1

Most probably seen this already, but is not, pulling some nice scores in the benchmarks here http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-5700HQ-Notebook-Processor.143892.0.html

Not sure if Broadwell quad mobile is like the U series counterparts, but U series has zero bins unlocked, therefore no extra tweaking can be had from it.

 

Just what I would have expected from a new platform; at least equal and mostly better performance with less throttling issues too. Over 15% better multitasking performance too (and with just a measly 8GB RAM) vs. an i7 4720HQ and within ~3% of an i7 4800MQ.

Can't wait to see what the Core i7 5750HQ and higher will bring to the mobile (table).

New platforms: there is just no comparison.

 

Neat, but I'll wait for skylake personally, Broadwell quads are rather late to the party. Still, for people who need a laptop now, those are pretty good news.

 

tijo, I'm waiting for Skylake too.

But it is good to see Broadwell a good upgrade choice for others.

 

Not sure what I can glean from that thread - there is zero information about the availability of skylake mobile quad cores there - if I missed something, please link.

 

This one has some links and expected availability seems to be august-september: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mobile-skylake-launching-september-2015.776276/

 

Thanks - that's good info. I hope we do see skylake HQ mobile processors in Sept-October, as speculated in the linked thread.

 

so are the temperatures of the 57XXHQ in general lower than 47XXHQ with the same performance? that's my main concern, considering to buy the Gigabyte P34W. the P34W v3 is known for the loud fan noise so i was hoping that the P34W v4 with 5700HQ produces less heat and makes therefore less noise. true or not?