Cooling Laptop, In General

Okay, here are the ways I've found to cool:

1) Undervolt
2) Buy a Cooling pad
3) Keep Games/ Applications on low use
4) Use Vista power saver tools
5) Use Asus/ other programs that save power
6) Not use the laptop at all (lol...)

Are there any other ways? Will these be effective in cooling? How much will these help? Are these methods dangerous? Sorry for my noobish knowledge...

 

Vista power tools probably wont make any difference, same wih Asus power tools for cooling the computer, but will help for battery life.

Giving it proper ventilation will help alot.

 

The "Undervolting Guide" says that it has NO effect on performance. Can anyone else second this? Also, I already know about ventilation and stuff like that, I just want to make this last as long as possible.

 

Undervolting will most definately not affect performance at all, it's just voltage to the CPU not chaning the speed of the CPU or anything like that.

Vistas power saving tools are good, nothing wrong with them, it's well known that vistas power saving tools are effective.

 

Undervolting does not decrease performance; CPUs are rated by the manufacturer to operate with stability at a certain voltage for different multiplier settings. The only thing the user does when "undervolting" is essentially lower the voltage; the performance remains the same.

 

No? i guess i am wrong then. I figured if you are decreasing volts, you hurt the speed as well. Sorry for the incorrect information.

Yes, they are effective for power saving, but not so much for cooling the computer down.

 

Hehe, voltage has nothing to do with performance, decreasing voltage has nothing to do with the speed( the speed = all the performance, the voltage only makes the CPU run stable at a specific voltage, some CPU's require more than others that's why not all of the same CPU's have the exact same voltage, so if we where to go after what you've said those same CPU's with different voltages would have different performance from factory) of the CPU as said so now you know No problem though. We can all make misstakes as it's human to do so!


Yeah, i agree, only good for a longer lasting battery.

 

uuuu laptops have a fan inside that is more than enough to cool them even under full load. It is only the uneducated general public that think when a laptop is running warm that its a bad sign.

Secondly the uneducated dont even KNOW what temps a are fine or not. They feel the laptop slightly warm at the bottom, freak out and run to the store to buy a useless laptop cool pad. Mfrs have poisoned the uneducated mind to make believe that when a laptop runs warm its a bad sign when in reality its perfectly normal and does NOT reduce the life of the unit.

Lack of education (general public) + gimmicks (laptop cooling pads) + false propaganda = Profit

 

That's sadly the truth yes

 

Please get your information right before posting incorrect information.

If your GPU is getting higher than 90C, or CPU higher than 70C, etc. then you have an overheating problem and then obviously, the fan is not good enough. On most notebooks it is enough, on many though, it isnt. If they all were, there would be no such thing as overheating.

Most Notebook Coolers are not gimmicks. The cheap Wal-Mart ones are, but ones we recommend on this fourum are not. They work well and decrease temps.

So, please educate yourself about the topic before posting. Thank you.

 

GPU around 90C is normal IMHO also a CPU around 70C. Mine is usualy around 80-85C at full load (the CPU), haven't had a problem, ever. And i know alot of others who hasn't either as these are fully normal temperatures of a notebook, as notebooks lack the cooling as desktops do, so they shouldn't be compared to desktop temps (as it looks like you're comparing it too?).


So i wouldn't say too much ahl.

 

@ahl395

90c GPU temp is NORMAL at full load on laptops. CPU temps of 70c are 100% NORMAL.

It is laughable that you think 70c CPU temp is overheating. It shows very limited experience in laptops.

Many laptops (All the gateway T series and countless other Mfrs) with AMD cpus run up to 80c and this is DESIGNED so. The fan does not kick in 100% untill CPU temp reachs OVER 75c.

Laptop CPUs are DESIGNED to run up to ~105c.

Again posing that 70c CPU temps is overheating is clear that you have little to no experience.

Owning one or two laptops does not make you an expert. I run a laptop refurb business and have used 75% of all the models out there.

 

Open a door or window....it's nice and cool outside.

 

Not referring to Desktop temps.

90C is okay. Past that is not good.
You can refer to the first post in THIS Thread.

Again, refer to the first post in THIS Thread.

Just because something is designed to run up to 105C before frying, doesnt mean that it should and that it is safe.
Refer to the first post in THIS Thread.

 

Have you ever read any technical documentation released by the likes of Intel or AMD? Those design parameters are specified by manufacturers as maximum temperatures, but are not recommended over extended periods of time. In other words, temperatures of 70-105C at idle are unacceptable. The reason is very simple; if the CPU or GPU or any other component operates at those temps at idle for extended periods of time, they will damage surrounding parts that cannot deal with such high temperatures. But then again, I'm sure you knew that.

Just a piece of advice; if you ever think people are wrong, you're going to make an a-s-s of yourself by trying to correct them in a condescending manner.

 

ahl395,

You posted links to threads that prove nothing. I'll say it again...

90c for laptop GPU is NORMAL
70c for laptop CPU is WELL within NORMAL temps.

These are the FACTS and specs that Mfrs post and have rigorously tested.

There is NOTHING wrong with those temps. Laptop Mfrs DESIGN laptops to ALLOW those temps. You have to understand people are not educated in thermal dynamics related to silicon and have no idea what temps are hot or not. Nor are most people educated in thermal cooling dynamics.

 

Ok, please stop posting this kind of nonsense. No, laptop runs at over 70c at idle. How you imagined this idea is beyond me. Everyone here is talking about temps when a laptop is under at least some load.

 

If you want to quote me, do it like this:

Instead of taking my words out of context. I was very clear: the maximum thermal design specifications are not recommended by the manufacturer because surrounding parts inside laptops can be damaged by the said prolonged high temperatures. What can't you understand?

 

How do they prove nothing? Both are actual facts posted by well known and knowledgeable members on here that know what they are talking about.

And again to you, just because the Manufacturer says that the CPU can run up to 105C before causing damage, does not mean it should.

As Bog said, why cant you understand? or at least admit you are wrong? We all make mistakes, there is no reason to act the way you are acting. The members like Me, Bog, Gophn, Lithus, etc. are educated on the topic. Otherwise we wouldnt be answering questions about it. I think that you can be civil and act appropriately on the forum, even if you are convinced you are right.




@Bog, thank you for helping me out. I wasnt getting anywhere.

@The OP, I am sorry this is taking over your whole thread.

 

I would like to add that every laptop cooler on the market is low end crap. They are full of advertisement gimmicks and false information. I have never seen one fan company other than Delta, EBM and NMB, that actually rates their fans as powerful as they actually are.
I go to a tech school and I see dozens of laptop coolers daily, and they are all very low quality. If you want a real laptop cooler, do it right. Either just prop it up or use real fans and real materials to make it.

And Hancock, please do some research. Their are hundreds if not thousands of laptop models which easily push over 70C in operating temperature.

K-TRON

 

What you are doing is simple creating your own reality and believing it because you "think" it would be correct. Unfortunately reality is not what you make believe it is and Mfrs temp specs are SPECIFIC to the actual device. The temps of surrounding components will not be effected much as they are highly insulated from the heat (air and epoxy are AWFUL heat conductors) Not only that but at higher temps the internal fan is running moving air.

This debate all comes down to proper education and the false create of reality by people who "believe" what is correct by just guessing. I went to college and have a degree in EE which contained thermal dynamic course. I recommend you do the same.

 

YES I know! Because it is perfectly NORMAL and they are DESIGNED to run at these temps. 70c is NOT anywhere NEAR overheating and is WELL within perfectly NORMAL temp. There is nothing wrong here...we are on the same page.

The problem is people have created their own realities where they believe these temps are overheating...which is not the case in our real reality...

 

I don't know much about laptop but I built and overlocked desktop for years. I think they both face the same issue: heat.

from my understanding, cpu heat should be less then 60C under normal condition. over 60C for a long period of time can damage or shorten electronic component, such as capacitor etc.

GPU can handle higher heat but high temp over a long period of time can damage anything.


In other words, if your laptop run over 60C in a casual usage condition, then you should be worried. over 70C, you should take action to fix it. replace the fan, clean the fan, apply thermal compound, or etc.

 

Yes, you are correct, thank you.

And that temp of the GPU you are reffering to, is 90C

Although, if its over 70C, easier methods can be used to cool it than replacing the fan. Such as undervolting. But it doesnt hurt if the fan isnt working properly.

 

Im sorry but your information is incorrect. CPUs dont have capacitors built inside them. and the temps of the CPU have absolutely no effect on capacitor on the motherboard. Any first year EE major will tell you this.

 

to me, a cpu run at 70C is not normal. something is wrong here. I would not let my laptop run at this temp.
only time when it reach this temp is when I overlocked my desktop and ran stress test for over 10 hours with 100% load.

at 70C, this temp can not only reduce battery charge but also reduce battery life. other components surrounding the cpu also got affected. not all electronic inside the laptop designed to be in this kind of temp for a long usage.

 

The main point is that past 70C can damage the processor and is not safe. Not if a CPU has capasitors or not. Which i belive it doesnt, but thats beside the point here.

Please stop arguing about something you are clearly wrong about and clogging this thread.

 

did I ever said the cpu got capacitor? I meant other components inside the laptop and capacitor are all over inside desktop/laptop. read carefully before you jump on your sale pitch

are you sure cpu temp has absolutely no effect on surrounding components?
can your room be on fire wihout burnning the whole house? you don't need to go to college to understand this common sense

arh, another saleman in a tech forum. don't be jerk and think you know all by selling laptop, saleman.

 

There's too much arguing going on in this thread, so it's closed.

Original poster, feel free to start a new thread about this topic.