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    Crucial M4 / Micron C400 SSD Series Thread

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Phil, May 16, 2011.

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    Some tests said 22s boot time, Hardwareheaven.com say 13s, and other test say something else too....video is the best I think

    BTW NoSwlo5oh, publish some video pls, thank you a lot!
     
    Honzik1, May 19, 2011
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    Every different system will show a different boot time. Boot times are influenced by CPU, GPU, BIOS post time etc.

    Also the way of measuring is different.
     
    Phil, May 19, 2011
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    All right...I'll try to get the video from my iPhone.

    It's the least I could do for you after you helped me out...

    Finished installing all of my programs...running WEI now...I'm very very cautiously optimistic. Filled up about 31.4GB of 119GB.

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, May 19, 2011
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    Oh nice, try some common usage, like Excel, Word, Firefox, Photoshop, opening folder with a lot of pictures (it takes a lot of time on HDD when it loads everything), Or boot time with some programs already runing after boot, like ICQ or Skype, Antivirus, antispyware, drivers, sidebar, etc. Clean install boot time is far from the reality....average user have many programs on PC and many icons on desktop

    Thanks for the video!!
     
    Honzik1, May 19, 2011
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    [​IMG]

    All right...here are the prelim results.

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, May 19, 2011
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    Nice, it looks good ...4k over 20MB/s is good! And also Acc. time is better than C300....C300 has around 700-800ms access time for write :)
     
    Honzik1, May 19, 2011
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    Mr_Mysterious, May 19, 2011
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    Unbelieveable! Its so fast that programs runs faster than I could see the desktop, omg. Thank you!
     
    Honzik1, May 19, 2011
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    Are Microsoft drivers installed by default during a Windows 7 installation? I mean, do you have to download Intel drivers and F6 install them if you want to use them?
     
    Ag76, May 19, 2011
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    No, according to what people are saying, W7 installs MS SSD drivers for you automatically.

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, May 19, 2011
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    Oh come on!

    I never touched the RST driver and it's still failing!

    It BSOD'ed once, then I used the patch...but that didn't seem to do anything!

    That's it, I'm formatting/erasing the drive and returning it.

    Mr. Mysterious <== Not happy
     
    Mr_Mysterious, May 19, 2011
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    Thats such a bummer especially after those excellent benches.
    I really wanted to get this too. I guess im sticking to hdd's longer...
     
    trvelbug, May 19, 2011
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    Weird. I get nothing wrong.
     
    Bearclaw, May 19, 2011
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    It could be because of your amd chipset as you mentioned before, but my laptop is quite similar to mrmysterious' and that makes me wary.
     
    trvelbug, May 19, 2011
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    Btw, you should look for BSOD log to Windows/Minidump/, ....log will show which driver (exactly what file) is causing BSOD...

    How to view BSOD error log:
    http://www.pchell.com/support/minidumps.shtml

    PS: or you can upload BSOD log, I will look on it
     
    Honzik1, May 20, 2011
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    Sorry, man...It's wayyy too late now. I'm done with this particular SSD.

    I'm going to try Crucial again in a few months.

    Mr. Mysteriou
     
    Mr_Mysterious, May 20, 2011
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    It would be good to know whats causing the crash, which file...It not have to be just because its SSD. I had BSOD many times caused of problems with incompatibility of some software....My Internet download manager didnt like Firefox, it caused BSOD,...or problem with grafic drivers cause BSOD too...mayby just some SW in your PC dont like SSD :)

    Anyway, log from Windows/Minidump/ could answer posible solution or reason of BSOD problem and it will be very useful for others going to buy same SSD (like me),

    And... mainly helpful for owners of this SSD with same problems. I solved BSOD problem on fathers PC 2 weeks ago, you can be next....only if you want ....just upload BSOD log, nothing more, nothing less :)

    ...that log could be key of solution for this forum thread...
     
    Honzik1, May 20, 2011
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    Well I would have done that if I could. It's already formatted and erased now. :(

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, May 20, 2011
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    Just clean install Windows 7, It should take 410seconds right? :) Then wait for BSOD,...after BSOD, look to Windows/Minidump/ and upload the log somewhere...it would be solution for more people here, and I will also post it on Crucial forum where someone has same problem.....

    nobody reads BSOD logs...sad :)
     
    Honzik1, May 20, 2011
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    I would be interested if the registry patch makes any difference... oh well.
     
    Phil, May 20, 2011
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    I have the same disc, a 120gb M4 and i had lots of problemers before doing the reg patch, and none what so ever after. It is a speed demon in my acer 5750. I have not timed any thing, but it feels alot faster then my old old mtron ssd :)
     
    elmstrom, May 20, 2011
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    Which reg patch you did exactly?

    Did you have some BSOD? Can you check Windows/minidump folder for BSOD logs and upload some if there are any? :)
     
    Honzik1, May 20, 2011
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    elmstrom, May 21, 2011
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    I have a C300; which seemed to start freezing with one of the later versions of RST. Then, I encountered BSOD's when I uninstalled RST and used Microsoft's driver.

    After reinstalling RST with the registry changes, it has no problems.
     
    5482741, May 21, 2011
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    And do you have still some BSOD log in Windows/minidump? Upload it pls, I would like to se the details :)
     
    Honzik1, May 21, 2011
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    Well After a couple hours screwing around with this I have to say that I believe that this is working ok now. I applied the REG fix and I'm using the latest RST drivers from the Dell Website. I have to say that I'm not pleased paying $912 for a SSD that doesn't work properly without a REG fix, but I'm not sure that Crucial is to blame for this problem (Intel maybe). Haven't run into issues since the REG fix and I'm hopeful that it stays that way.
     
    MaynardLD50, May 21, 2011
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    Here are four of them from May 19th & 20th.
     

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    Honzik1, May 22, 2011
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    My 64GB drive is giving me just under 110MB/sec write speeds :)
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 24, 2011
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    sequential? Whats 4k score? Which driver do you use? No lags?
     
    Honzik1, May 24, 2011
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    I posted my 64GB results earlier but it's probably not accurate because of my netbook. I didn't install any drivers and not experiencing lag.
     
    Bearclaw, May 24, 2011
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    Got it plugged in as a second drive atm.

    Sequential and 512k write in crystaldiskmark were both just under 110, (vary from 108.4 to 109.4) 4k scores are just above 20MB/sec read and just below 40MB/sec write.

    4k QD32 = 180MB/sec read and 101MB/sec write.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 24, 2011
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    And are you satisfied with this SSD? :)
     
    Honzik1, May 24, 2011
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    Got the OS installed, here is the benchmark running on the drive:

    [​IMG]

    I think its downloading updates atm though, not sure.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 25, 2011
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    Was using the machine while i did the test (did not buy an SSD to sit around and wait :D )

    [​IMG]
     
    elmstrom, May 26, 2011
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    I had the freezing. Disabling LPM fixed it.

    Thanks!

    With Intelppm on and LPM on:
    [​IMG]

    With Intelppm off and LPM off:
    [​IMG]

    That patch fixed everything here. I think you needed to reboot first.
     
    Phil, May 26, 2011
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    Phil,

    You said M4 is a good choice if Crucial fixes the stutter issue, right? Is the patch mentioned above the fix for the same issue that you expect Crucial to fix? Is there similar issues with Intel 510?

    I've been very busy with other stuff I had to postpone getting an SSD. So I still have not pulled the trigger on M4; now seeing this thread got me worried about doing it, after all.
     
    meurglys0, May 26, 2011
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    The fix fixes the issue completely. Nothing to be worried about.
     
    Phil, May 26, 2011
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    Does it affect certain models/configs or is it random?

    My laptop is Dell XPS L502X with i7 2630qm and the southbridge is HM 67 (rev 03).

    Also, what is the LPM for? I mean, what would I be missing when LPM is disabled?

    I am using a 4 bay hdd enclosure connected to the laptop via usb port... I wouldn't like to purchase M4 and then discover they don't get along well...
     
    meurglys0, May 26, 2011
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    Impressive results from both of you Phil and elmstrom. :)
    Don`t think that disabling CPU idling (modify intelppm) justify a very small increase in speed though..
     
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    Oh no it's just something I do for the benchmarks. Normally I have it on.
     
    Phil, May 26, 2011
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    Ah ok. Isn`t there a tweak for Chipset 5 (and 6) that involve in modifying it? Stamatisx Tweak?
     
    Cloudfire, May 26, 2011
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    There is JJB tweak but I find it a lot of effort for little benefit.
     
    Phil, May 26, 2011
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    Yeah I agree. Messing up the idle state and the threshold of the CPU just for small increase isn`t something I would do to my laptop
     
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    Phil, in case you didn't see them, I am quoting a few questions I asked earlier... If you saw them and chose not to respond, I apologize for asking them again...

    "Does it (the stuttering issue with M4) affect certain models/configs or is it random?

    My laptop is Dell XPS L502X with i7 2630qm and the southbridge is HM67 (rev 03).

    Also, what is the LPM for? I mean, what would I be missing when LPM is disabled?

    I am using a 4 bay hdd enclosure connected to the laptop via usb port... I wouldn't like to purchase M4 and then discover they don't get along well..."
     
    meurglys0, May 26, 2011
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    I don't know details about the LPM thing. Maybe someone else can answer.
     
    Phil, May 27, 2011
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    Intel® Rapid Storage Technology implements the Link power management (LPM) feature described by the Serial ATA specification to overcome the power demand of a high-speed serial interface, SATA and providing the capability of SATA at the minimum power cost. LPM, when used in conjunction with a SATA hard drive that supports this feature, enables lower power consumption. LPM was initially enabled by default on mobile platforms starting with ICH6M with Intel® Matrix Storage Manager. Starting with ICH9R this feature has also been supported on desktop platforms with Intel® Matrix Storage Manager 7.5 release but not enabled by default.
    Beginning with the Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 10.0 release, LPM support is enabled by default on both mobile and desktop platforms.

    source:
    http://mbforum.gigabyte.de/forumdownload//Software/OEM_Technical Guide RST_rev1_0 10 0 Release.pdf
     
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    Do I understand correctly that disabling LPM would be bad for battery life?
     
    Phil, May 27, 2011
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    SATA Link Power Management can be used to reduce the power comsumption of the SATA interface, providing SATA capabilities at a minimum power cost.

    But as you can see on SSD forums, this fuction is not working on SSD properly.
     
    Honzik1, May 27, 2011
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    Honzik1,

    Did you get your Crucial M4? How is it performing? Any issues? You researched thoroughly the BSOD issues etc.. I'm about to pull the trigger on the M4, so could you share your findings regarding the fix(es)? Could you say the fixes all work and there are no issues after the fix?
     
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