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    Dead Pixels on Notebook Screens

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Andrew Baxter, Feb 17, 2005.

  1. Andrew Baxter

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    LCD screens are generally the most expensive part of a laptop computer. They're also the most likely part to contain noticeable flaws in the form of the dreaded dead pixels. Each notebook manufacturer has their own policy on how many dead pixels warrants a return and replacement. The problem is, most people are not aware of this policy before they get their notebook and falsely assume that one dead pixel is good enough to ask for a replacement, but this is generally not the case.

    Some Background on LCD TFT Displays

    LCD stands for Liquid Crystal Display, it is the type of screen used in every notebook you can buy on the market these days. Screens come in various sizes and resolutions. Resolution is defined by the number of pixels (small dots) that make up the LCD screen. The pixel is the smallest unit that makes up an image. A pixel is however sub-divided into three sub-pixels colored red, green and blue that work together to display the correct color for that specific pixel location. Nearly all screens sold today are TFT (Thin-Film Transistor), TFT is also known as active matrix display. A TFT display means that each sub-pixel has a transistor, having a transistor at each sub-pixel means that the current that triggers illumination can be smaller and therefore be switched on and off more quickly. This means a TFT display is responsive to change, so when you move a mouse cursor across the screen or a fast moving image is displayed the TFT display is fast enough to reflect the movement (with a passive matrix display, the image might temporarily "dissapear" until the display can "catch up").

    So What Causes a Dead Pixel?

    Occasionally the individual transistors responsible for carrying current to a pixel will either short out or remain open resulting in what is called a dead pixel. A "lit" pixel is one that appears as one of several randomly placed white, red, blue or green pixel elements on a dark background, or you may have a "missing" pixel which shows up as a black dot on a light colored background.

    So Why do New Screens Have Dead Pixels?

    During the production process of LCD screens it is difficult for manufacturers to assess if a pixel is out or not. In fact, only once an LCD panel has completed production and assembly can it be determined that an LCD does or does not have dead pixels. Material costs are high for LCD displays so every attempt is made to avoid scrapping displays. If a screen is determined as being overly flawed, it will be thrown out, but if the screen is within a set quality standard -- say 2 dead pixels -- then the screen will not be thrown out. If manufacturers had to throw out every screen with even 1 dead pixel, prices would be much higher for LCD screens.

    But What is the Standard Regarding How Many Dead Pixels is Acceptable?

    This question is what we're really concerned with here. If you're spending $1,000+ on a laptop then you as a buyer of course would prefer zero dead pixels on your screen, but you're probably willing to accept the fact that one stuck pixel in the corner that's only noticeable on a dark background will not warrant a return and is likely not worth the hassle. But what if you have six dead pixels, does that warrant a return? You would hope so, but that's not the case with many manufacturers. The number of dead pixels it takes before a manufacturer will accept a return varies, and some manufacturer return policies for dead pixels is downright complicated. Here's a quick rundown of some major manufacturer policies on how many dead pixels it takes to warrant a return. Below numbers are based on a 14.1" screen with XGA resoluion (1024 x 768 pixels)has a total of 2,359,296 red/green/blue sub-pixels (1024 x 768 x 3 = 2,359,296):

    Laptop Brand / OEM
    [size=-1]Lit Pixels
    [/size]
    [size=-1]Missing Pixels
    [/size]
    [size=-1]Total Dead Pixels
    [/size]
    Dell
    7​
    7​
    7​
    IBM
    5 to 11​
    5 to 16​
    9 to 16​
    HP/Compaq
    7​
    7​
    9​
    LG / LG.Philips
    6​
    6​
    10​
    Sharp
    7​
    7​
    N/A​
    Acer
    9 - 10​
    9 - 10​
    9 - 10​
    Apple
    unstated​
    unstated​
    unstated​
    Samsung*
    0​
    0​
    0​
    Fujitsu
    3​
    3​
    3​
    Panasonic
    3​
    3​
    3​
    Portable One
    2​
    2​
    2​
    Sony
    5​
    5​
    5​
    Toshiba
    5​
    5​
    5​
    Alienware
    2​
    2​
    2​
    *zero-dead pixel policy only valid in South Korea

    Below are some links to various manufacturers policies for allowing return of a laptop due to dead pixels, you'll see there is a wide variation, Apple doesn't even havea set number, you basically have to haggle with them to try and win a return if you feel your LCD display has too many dead pixels. Acer has a formula and breaks up the screen into sections and defines which area's carry more weight in terms of importance -- if there's more than one dead pixel in the center Acer will replace the notebook, but if the pixels are elsewhere then you can suffer from up to 4 dead pixels per million on the screen.

    Links to Dead Pixel Policies:

    HowCan You Tell if you Have Dead Pixels?

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    Sometimes it is quite obvious as to whether you have a dead pixel on your screen, but sometimes it might take a little while for you to notice. It's best that you run a test on your screen right when you get your notebook to determine if you have dead pixels and then take the further step of deciding whether you want to try and return the laptop if there arean excessive amount of dead pixels. Downloada free application called Dead Pixel Buddy to test for dead pixels on your screen. Please be sure to donate via PayPal to the developer of this application if you can spare the money!

    Bottom Line

    Many people are not aware of the fact LCD screens can have dead pixels. Some people that are not picky won't be bothered by a tiny black or white dot in the corner of their screen, or maybe they won't ever notice it. Others that are very picky about their screens and do video/image editing or watch a lot of movies on theirnotebookwill go nuts if there's a dot that they always find themselves focusing on and being annoyed by. The best advice to be given is to investigate up front what the return policy is for a store or manufacturer before you buy a product with an LCD screen. Online stores such as NewEgg.com explicitly state that they will only accept returns onproducts with 8 or more dead pixels, but at least they state their policy. Other retailers are very generous and will accept a return forjust one dead pixel, while others arevague or do not have a policy. If you buy direct from a manufacturer or choose to deal with them for any returns instead of the retailer, then be aware of what that specific manufacturers policy is.
     
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  2. Eliwood

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    Very nice rundown on the policies. This may come as a shock to many, but it's the truth. Manufacturers do not replace laptops because of just 1-2 dead pixels. Now retailers on the other hand.... they can be talked into anything.

    It'd be nice if everybody used Nintendo's 0 tolerance policy. It's made some people like me VERY happy. But then again, Nintendo has the luxury of doing this because it's Nintendo, and we all know Nintendo build quality and their committment to 100% satisfaction unlike other companies... *cough*

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    Good article thanks.

    Does anyone know what is the dead pixel policy for Fujitsu?
     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Doleco

     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>They're also the most likely part to contain noticeable flaws in the form of the dreaded dead pixels.<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'></font id='quote'></blockquote id='quote'>

    The emphasis made me laugh -- it's not really the dead pixels that are scary, but rather having to jump through return-policy hoops if the dead pixels are annoying.

    That said, on 6 of my LCD panels over the past few years (2 XGA notebook, 1 WSXGA+ notebook, and 3 SXGA panels), I've only seen 2 dead pixels -- they were on my first SXGA panel and are only the most minor of annoyances. We're keeping that panel (Planar 19") in a current bout of downsizing instead of a perfect Viewsonic 17" because... the 2 dead pixels just aren't that bad.

    Additionally, it's pretty likely that LCD production quality has been going up over the past few years as LCD panels become more plentiful and are showing up in more consumer-grade (television) applications. So dead pixels -- not so dread. But that doesn't mean that return policies are noticibly more consumer-friendly.

    Good job collecting the policies!
    Kiez (notes that Acer's policy is possibly the most balanced overall, but actually doing the work of weighting the screen regions makes it sound pretty over-judicious and kinda scary...)
     
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    well yeah, dead pixels are annoying but dealing with customer support and the hassle of a return is probably more so!

    I added three more notebook makers to the matrix of dead-pixel return policy. Fujitsu and Panasonic will accept return if there's 3 or more dead pixels while PortableOne (www.PortableOne.com) will accept return if there's 1 or more dead pixels.

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  7. Barry J. Doyle

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    As a graphic artist and web designer, I simply cannot deal with any pixel anomalies on my displays. I agree with Eliwood about retailers being easier to deal with provided you stand your ground. My advice is that if you fire up a brand new notebook and see a flaw, don't pass go. Don't collect $200 dollars. Take the damn thing right back the store and DEMAND a new one. Most customer service reps. are already trained to recite that line of crap about how these defects are "normal". Well not on my budget! My next step would be to have an assertive chat with the manager.

    Bet you that you walk out with a new one.

    If you deal with an online retailer who plays hardball, I say "fib" and tell them there are other "problems" to get an RMA for a new one LOL!


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    I'm debating about whether or not I should go through the return fight now. I've got an ASUS A2K with more than a few lit pixels, but that's not what's got me all riled up.

    Is it normal for these things to have viewing angles that...well...don't really exist outside the "center" viewing angle? I have a Samsung 712N that can be seen from virtually any angle without revealing much color or clarity detail at all.

    Either way, thanks for the laugh Barry! I've found being "overtechnical" when asking for something or dealing with a problematic return to be of much value. For example, "What seems to be the problem with your laptop?" You could reply, "The new Data Execution Protection feature supported in hardware by my clawhammer will cause a general protection fault every time I exit an engine based on unreal technology. Do you think it has something to do with the drivers for my nv30?"

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  9. Barry J. Doyle

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    LOL! Nice techno talk. That would tear 'em up at the Best Buy customer service counter. You'd be walking out with a new one instantly!

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  10. RaNDoMMAI

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    I have to say that Dell LCDs always have dead pixels.

    When i ordered my 2001fp, it came with powering on problems, then the replacement was a refurb with a bunch of dead and lit pixels, then another refurb with same thing but had physical damage on the screen.
    Then they finally sent me a new one but it had clusters of lit pixels. i finally got one that only had 3 dead pixels and i just decided to keep it.

    i worked at the computer lab on my campus for a while and all the Dell LCDs had at least 3 deadpixels on them.

    i also been reading that the new widescreen dell LCD has pixel problems too.

    I wouldnt buy a Dell LCD again
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    I'm new here. First of all, I'd like to thank all great summary of bad pixels in here. It's very useful. And I just create the web page that you can check dead pixels (no need to download anything). I also added a link to this page for your credit. It might be useful for people who got new (or own) laptops and LCD screens.

    The URL is:
    http://www.chatreez.com/pixelexam/

    Right now, I can only make it run fullscreen on IE, will try to make it compatible with Firefox soon.
     
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    I just wanted to add some notes. My info is about 2 years old but just letting you know.
    Sony may say 5 pixels but I used to work QA in one of the Vaio plants on the laptop side, when I left I want to say it was actually less than 5 pixels BUT their placement meant alot. 5 pixels if scattered was very different from 3 pixel within the size of a quarter, the 3 pixels would have been rejected. Also a Bright pixel in the center of the screen was also considered bad versus one on the edges.
    When I worked in support at Gateway we were not allowed to pass units for replacement unless they met the standards we were given no matter what the location. It is true stand your ground and you will usually get what you want, just keep going up the chain.

    It is a very good guide and as a support person I am happy anytime the info is put out there.

    Lauren
     
  13. Steven58563

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    My Dell i6000 came with one dead pixel. It wasn't too dificult to get the Dell support tech to order me a replacement. They are shipping me a new unit since I called within the 21 day return period.


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    Are bad pixel only a problem on new LCDs or can a pixel become bad over time. I mean, is the transistor failure due to production or does failure often (or less often) occur after the LCD is in use.

    I have not seen bad pixels myself (Toshiba Tecra, Compaq Armada or even on some early 'unbranded' products).

    Thanks,
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    Dead Pixels can occur over time. But on my current Laptop there are none and it is a few years old and my one that was 7 years old never got one. My PC monitor just developed one after 2 years. So it can happen but I have also yet to see it much after the initial purchase


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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Steven

     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by chatreez

     
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    Is it possiable to have sometimes dead pixels? I have an LCD monitor at home and I know it has one dead pixel that showed up about a year after I got it; however when I run the dead pixel checker utilities it dose not show up. Any ideas?
     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Lyndal
    Returning a notebook for one bad pixel is ridiculous. Just making everyone's purchases cost more. Thanks.
    <hr height='1' noshade id='quote'></font id='quote'></blockquote id='quote'>

    Is it? I'm a university student and in three months I will be buying a notebook that I have to be stuck with for at least 5-8 years. I do not have a ton of money, and the notebook I'm probably going to buy, Acer TravelMate 8104, costs around 2300 dollars. This is a lot of money for me, so are you telling me that I should just accept it if there's an abnormality in my screen. Sure one bad pixel may seem non-important, but for me anyway even just a small imperfection on a screen takes part of my focus away. I think it's wrong that if I buy a top-of-the-line notebook I should settle for a non-perfect screen.
     
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    Yes, it's ridiculous. It's like saying you should be able to return a car if you go over it when you get home and see an imperfection in the paint with a magnifying glass. Half this thread talks about using applications to help you identify dead pixels that you might not have even noticed! THAT is ridiculous.

    "but for me anyway even just a small imperfection on a screen takes part of my focus away"... even more ridiculous. I'm not even convinced it's a good excuse when you're a graphics designer or something similar. I doubt it will affect your term-paper-writing and all-night Everquest sessions.

    It's no question that 2300 is a lot of money. You should get what you pay for, and absolutely return the machine if it is not what you payed for. But returning a notebook costs the manufacturer (and ultimately us as consumers) a lot of money. I see these people that are returning notebooks with one or 2 dead pixels as exploiting a customer-friendly return policy. Dead pixels are part of the lcd manufacturing process, and a few dead pixels are normal and accepted by the industry and consumers as a whole. They are unavoidable.

    Remember when we could return something to Wal-Mart without a receipt? Well, a bunch of idiots started abusing that system and now we always have to have a receipt... even if we honestly just can't find it. This is what's going to happen to these customer-friendly return policies. When people exploit them, which several people in this thread so proudly proclaim, they have to tighten it up.... and the honest, reasonable customer gets screwed. So, don't do it.

    Lyndal.

     
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    I understand your point, but are you seriously comparing a car's paintjob to a lcd-display of a notebook. It is not the same thing. A flaw with the paintjob of a car I can handle because scratches and such are (almost) unavoidable when driving. But a dead pixel in a lcd-display is truly annoying. You can say that it is barely noticeable but obviously you haven't had much experience with watching displays. When I for example watch TV on my 32" TV, if there is just a little dust or a hair in some area of the display, you find yourself focusing on that constantly. It is really annoying.

    I mean come on, it's like selling something that doesn't work a hundred per cent, and then saying that buy it and get used to it, or don't buy it. Moreover, is it fair that whether you get a dead pixel is a game of chance. If two people stand in line wanting to buy the same notebook, and the first guy gets a flawless display and the second guy gets a display with dead pixels (just under the amount of dead pixels that the dead-pixel-policy does not cover), is that fair. I know some people are such jerks that they may exploit this, but that happens everyday in other things as well.

    Well, I keep my fingers crossed that my future notebook (Acer TM8104) won't have any dead pixels on it.
     
  22. Lyndal

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    "I know some people are such jerks that they may exploit this, but that happens everyday in other things as well."... This amazing point convinced me. You're right. It's ok. You should harrass Acer until they give you a replacement notebook if you have one dead pixel. Even though you are knowingly buying from a manufacturer where you can clearly read only offers replacements for 9-10 bad pixels.

    We can make analogies all day long. But the FACT is that dead/lit pixels are an accepted byproduct of the lcd manufacturing process. And my OPINION is that ANYONE can use an lcd with several dead pixels without affecting what they are doing at all. Of course you can always take the advice one of the administrators of this site and lie to the vendor to try and get a replacement based on some fabricated problem because that glaring dead pixel you found by some utility (because you couldn't find it on your own) is disrupting your productivity.... just like that fleck of dust that wrecked your enjoyment of the Jon Stewart show.

    "but obviously you haven't had much experience with watching displays"... probably more years than you've been alive. ;) ...which has nothing to do with this conversation.

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    Doesn't ASUS even have a policy where they replace a notebook if there are ANY imperfections? (HP also does this, but only if you purchased directly through them & only within 30days)

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    Calm down, Lyndal. Why did you take such an aggressive tone in your last post? I understand where you are coming from, but I do not agree. You're are saying you can live with a few dead pixels in your display. That they are barely noticeable. If this is the case, then why is everyne making such a big deal about dead pixels if they are barely noticeable. Bare in mind that I'm a student and do not have a lot of money. When I buy my notebook in three months, I'm stuck with for almost 10 years because I cannot afford to buy the nex notebook any sooner. I should just accept that I have a faulty product and someone else that bought the exact same model got a perfect product. Well, poor people deserve to be screwed, right...

    As a matter of fact, some manufacturers are taking up "zero tolerance policy" against dead pixels. Companies like Samsung are guaranteeing that their customers will get displays with zero dead pixels. If dead pixels are avoidable and manufacturers are right to say that you cannot take back a display with just a few dead pixels, then why are manufacturers like Samsung doing this. Yes, I know that Samsung for example does not not apply this to all of their displays in different areas, but still I think you know what I mean.
     
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    Certainly dont take anything in my post personally. The passion that's coming through in my post is all about convincing you NOT to exploit return policies like this thread appears to advocate. I'm trying to win you over, not insult you. :) I think I've fallen into the common forum-posting-trap of thinking the biggest smartass is right. Anyway....

    I assume the lcd manufacturing process is getting better, and these stated return policies might get less strict. I am no expert on lcd manufactering. My whole point is that you are NOT getting screwed and an lcd with a few dead pixels is NOT a faulty product. Maybe a bit of bad luck, but not grounds to return the product. Especially since it will not hinder you use of the machine at all... not even a little bit. None. Good luck with your purchase and may your pixels be perfect. :)

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    I still disagree 100%.

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    I fall in the camp that a dead pixel is a defect that I extect to be repaired, or in this case, replaced. If some people are fine with dead pixels, that's fine, but I'm not. My last three noteboks were bought from a retailer who checked the screen for me before sending it out, so I was covered. But if I dropped $2000 on a new notebook and it had 6 dead pixels, which was within the realm of acceptability from a manufacturer, I'd be furious and refusing the charge with my credit card company.

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    At the VERY LEAST, these unreasonable manufacturers should give a hefty discount credited back to your purchase or offer some peripheral device at no add'l cost...Even this, however, will not remotely compensate for ANY number of dead pixels.

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    I think that every electronic company that sells articles with LCD's should exchange any units with one or more dead pixels - end of story. Those darn things annoy me sooooooo much.

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    "I think that every electronic company that sells articles with LCD's should exchange any units with one or more dead pixels - end of story. Those darn things annoy me sooooooo much."

    No, it's NOT end of story. They don't annoy you. You can hardly see them. Ridiculous!
     
  32. heartofgold

    heartofgold Notebook Deity

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Lyndal

     
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  33. Lyndal

    Lyndal Notebook Enthusiast

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    I can say that they don't annoy you, because I DO have lcd screens with dead pixels. And they do not annoy me (or you). I'm not saying that you never notice them... I'm saying they do not affect your use of the computer at all. Certainly not "driven absolutely insane" "every second". I have trouble believing that you're actually "brushing it off like a bug." Makes me wonder if you have a bigger problem than a dead pixel.

    Notice that everyone is just saying that these dead pixels are so devastating to their use of the computer (and driving them crazy every second)... but everyone is ignoring the fact that the manufacturers clearly disclose that dead pixels are unavoidable and their policies on returns for dead pixels. But the folks here somehow believe they are special and should get replacements if they have any dead pixels... REGARDLESS of the policies that they basically agreed to when they purchased the computer.

    That's why I think you guys are being ridiculous and, as my original post in this thread stated, you are just making all of our purchases cost more.

    I'm done with this thread.

    Lyndal.
     
  34. heartofgold

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Lyndal

     
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    According to Orion, any LCD display with 0-4 pixel defects (bright, missing, etc) is considered "normal" for all LCD technology and is NOT a repairable issue. The only caveat to this policy is if 2 or more of the defective pixels are within a 1 cm area of each other.

    If an LCD display has 5 or more pixel defects, Averatec Tech support is allowed to set up an RMA for it.

    Info came straight from Averatec
     
  36. clb

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    for those who still do not know the dead pixel policy...for asus, here's some info. They have a zero dead pixel policy for some models but for the rest of the models. I got this info by emailing the notebook sales of asus

    Regular LCD Panel Warranty:

    If any of those meet following category then will allow to have LCD panel exchange but not ZBD guaranty:



    a) over 3 bright dots or 6 black dots or 8 mixed bright and black dots in total,

    b) 2 adjacent bright dots or 2 adjacent black dots,

    c) 3 bright and / or black dots within an area of radius 7.5mm.
     
  37. EvilCheeseWedge

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    I ordered a CTO Compaq Presario R4000 earlier this week. If I find even one dead pixel on it when it comes, I will do whatever I can to get it replaced. I fail to see how forking over in excess of $2K means I should accept anything less then perfect.

    If anyone is truely worried about people returing products that do not function as they should on day one, perhaps they should petition companies such as HP to offer notebooks with known dead pixels for sale, because after all, if they don't annoy you, or bother you, then you sure won't have a problem with it. You will get what you pay for, and the rest of us get what we pay for, a fully functional LCD out of the box.
     
  38. AMDemon

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    Who did u order it from??

    (I.E.- If it's HpShopping, they have a policy that u can ask them to build u another one if for ANY reason you're not satisfied (at no add'l charge...same spec.'s)
     
  39. EvilCheeseWedge

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    I got it from HPShopping.com

    I didn't know about that policy, but it sounds like a good one :cool:
     
  40. ot14

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    How to sell refurbished products to customers who want new ones

    1. Send them a broken product
    2. Send refurbished ones as replacements
     
  41. ot14

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    I haven't heard of this policy. If it's not on paper, I wouldn't count on it.
     
  42. someguydude

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    LCD I got on this desktop has a few dead pixels. I wouldn't have ever found them were it not for that pixelexam thing, and now I can no longer see them now that I'm using the thing for daily use again.

    I do seriously think that returning a computer for one or two dead pixels is ridiculous. That's like returning a car because one of the LEDs on the clock is burnt out. You're costing everyone else money just because you need the thing to be super duper uber pristine for no good reason aside from your own OCD. I can't imagine a situation, aside from an INCREDIBLY minor annoyance, for which even two dead pixels would be bad enough to warrant a return.
     
  43. TheRedTide

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    It was stated earlier that Dell LCD screens couldn't come without dead pixels. Well I am living proof that that is not true. I got a new Inspiron 9300 without one single dead pixel. Now don't get over jealous, because I have had more than enough problems so far with it, and a dead pixel in a corner might seem like a better alternative to what I've had to go through. But just setting the record straight, there has been at least 1 Dell made without dead pixels.
     
  44. LuckMC11

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    yup...my Dell 9300 has no dead pixels watsoever...i was kinda shocked 2 :eek:
     
  45. Spare Tire

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    It's true, for the first 30 days, you can get an exchange for the same model, no charge, shipping included. Just that they are slow to ship you the replacement.
    Basically, you can return and get a refund, so even if you couldn't exchange for another unit, you could just return it and then buy another.
     
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    The whole argument about whether or not dead pixels are a bother or not is completely absurd. It's a matter of personal preference, and there are many who when they notice a flaw, however minor, are unable to focus on anything but that flaw. For these kinds of people, a dead pixel should be grounds for a return. If you are of the group of people who do not find it annoying, then all's the better for you, but saying that because something is not annoying for you, it shouldn't be for other people, is nonsensical. Although it would be hard to argue that it seriously impedes the usefulness of the screen, it's not entirely about functionality. If someone feels like they have a flawed product it can be enough to ruin the product for them.

    I do agree, however, that if a company has a specific stated policy that requires a certain amount of dead pixels for a return, then they should not have to provide replacements for those products that are within the accepted limits. I'm merely arguing that these policies should be changed. However, in actuality, the policies work as a kind of screening process. Only those who are bothered enough by dead pixels so as to go through the trouble of calling customer service and arguing with them are getting replacements. What happens in this situation is that the majority of people are not returning anything, so that costs are not forced upward, but few people are left with what they consider to be a 'flawed' product. This is the best strategy for a company intent on maximizing their profits while maintaining a reputation for a high standard of quality.