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    Design your perfect laptop (theoretically)

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by HTWingNut, Feb 29, 2012.

  1. kevmanw4301

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    The problem would be compacting it down. It ehy used copper fins everywhere, they could get it to work. Ha.
     
  2. TheBluePill

    TheBluePill Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    [​IMG]
     
  3. Gamer872

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    Completely perfect?

    Take an Alienware M18x and a Macbook Air 13" do the whole birds and the bees thing and meet about 1/2 way in the middle in terms of power and portability.
     
  4. HTWingNut

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    Right now, it would be nice if AMD came out with a 65-75W GPU. The 7690m/6750m/6770m is < 50W TDP I believe, then you have the 6970m which is 80-100W TDP, there's nothing in between. They need a 7870m or something to fill the gap, that would be more reasonable for a 14" notebook.
     
  5. TheBluePill

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    They did that.. and the Razer Blade was born..

    :p
     
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    I think my idea was that actually.

    All of the power and much more portable.
     
  7. miro_gt

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    Raspberry Pi that can run BF3 on ultra in HD ?

    .... no ?! ...

    would be nice :D
     
  8. TheBluePill

    TheBluePill Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I remember having to Upgrade my entire PC to play Doom when it came out. (386 to 486)... 5 Years ago you could play that on phone like its nothing.. Today.. well.. yeah.. you get the idea.
     
  9. HTWingNut

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    Yep, and today you could play doom no problem on the Raspberry Pi.
     
  10. TheBluePill

    TheBluePill Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Incredible.. and its accelerating at an exponential rate. 10 Years from now we will look back on the MBP and Air like Antiques.. All of today's tech will be getting closer and closer to invisible.
     
  11. H.A.L. 9000

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    More like on a TI Inspire calculator... :rolleyes: Raspberry Pi is overkill for that. lol.
     
  12. Gamer872

    Gamer872 Notebook Evangelist

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    Stick a GTX570m in a Razer Blade and get rid of the IMO weird keyboard and I would own one already.
     
  13. HTWingNut

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    You mean the touchpad and buttons? I agree. Give me the same laptop at 15", GTX 570m, ditch the funky touchpad/buttons and move it to the proper spot, put in the 570m as suggested, price it at $1800 and you've got a great little lappy there. But they couldn't/wouldn't put a 570m in there because it would make it thicker than 1" and God forbid they couldn't have that.
     
  14. Fat Dragon

    Fat Dragon Just this guy, you know?

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    Creative cooling might exist for what you're suggesting, but using the 15.6", 1.5" thick (on average) P150HM as evidence that a 14", <1" thick laptop could take a 7970m is pretty optimistic... ;)
     
  15. Gearsguy

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    15.6 Glossy IPS 1080p screen
    Super slim bezel - Basically to the screen (even smaller than Chronos or P330)
    Thin (weight is not important to me)
    NVIDIA 555M 6xx replacement with GTX 560M performance
    i7 Ivy Bridge CPU
    8 Hour battery life
    Backlit keyboard and trackpad light
    Quad speakers with a subwoofer
    Dual fan cooling system with vents that suck in air through the back and blow it out the sides (for lap gaming)
    aluminum (Like a Razer Blade)
     
  16. necetra

    necetra Notebook Guru

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    13.3" 1920x1200 matte RGB LED backlit IPS
    i7 Ivy Bridge
    Some mid-range nVidia GPU that can be completely disabled
    9 cell high-cap + 9 cell slice batteries
    Two button trackpad, backlit keyboard
    displayport, toslink out,
    copper (or silver!) heatsinks
    sanyo denki ball bearing fans
    titanium alloy structure
     
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    If they cared they would have used a spring loaded MXM slot that sit into a cutout in the mobo so it added little to no thickness.

    On a 17" machine you may as well.
     
  18. GalaxySII

    GalaxySII Notebook Deity

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    CPU : 5GHz
    GPU : BEST AVAILABLE (no any crappy sli or crossfire cos it is useless)
    RAM : 128 GB
    SSD : 10 TB
     
  19. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    I'd say a remake of the ThinkPad 770z, but with a few upgrades:

    Case - Mag Alloy, Black
    Thickness - 1" with standard battery
    CPU - Ivy or whatever is the latest
    HDD - mSATA + 9.5mm HDD
    LCD - 13" SXGA(1280x1024) Either IPS, AFFS or PVA
    ODD - Not Required
    Keyboard - ThinkPad quality
    Mouse - Trackpoint with center button, no trackpad
    GPU - Intel, I wouldn't mind a dedicated switchable GPU, but no optimus or similar
    Ports - USB 3.0

    The rest is negotiable.
     
  20. TheBluePill

    TheBluePill Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    The Touchpad where the Number Keys normally are IS the best feature of the Blade, IMO. For FPS Games, that frees up your left hand to do WASD, and your right hand can guide-or-steer with the touch-pad, instead of having to use a mouse.

    They can keep the "Screen & buttons", just a regular touchpad would do..




    You have come Close to describing the Envy 15.. the 7690 Is close to the 555M, though, i figure they will update it soon with GCN parts to make it quicker. Battery life isnt as good as you want, but the Beats Audio is pretty killer. Quad speakers arent a must, I won the USACi World Championship for Sound Quality with a 2.1 Setup.
     
  21. HTWingNut

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    I know that, but who EVER uses the touchpad for games. It's not practical, nor has the control you need. Maybe only a few games, otherwise it's more the exception than the norm.
     
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    That would be a Sony...right?
     
  23. H.A.L. 9000

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    If you also value fragility, then yes. Also, the Z has to have an external GPU to be anywhere near useful for gaming. Otherwise, Vaio's are more under-powered than they used to be.

    IMHO, there's nothing that has the compromises he talking about... unless you're willing to live with a subpar GPU with the Razer Blade.
     
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    Again I go back to my suggestion.

    High end Xfire/SLI in a 15.6" form factor. Sure it would be relatively heavy but that's just the price you pay for cooling.

    If you really want to shrink it down and stick to the smallest usable form factor with a single card then take the 16F2 again:

    Remove optical bay and 2nd HDD to remove the extra thickness in the 16F2, the motherboard should be able to shrink down to a 14" form factor and use longer and thinner heatsinks. Use 2 fans for cooling (1 GFX, 1 CPU), remove 2 of the memory slots to help thin it even more (gaming machine, 2 slots are all you need), add in a PCI-E sata port for a small SSD so you can still get SSD + HDD.

    Use a 14" 1080p 120hz display.

    EDIT: If cost was not an issue I would use an aluminium body with plastic window for wireless.
     
  25. Krane

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    That would take away versatility; a backwards move in my opinion. Besides, I don't think may people care about ultra thinness. Only that its not heavy.
     
  26. Gamer872

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    I just picked up one of these. It's not exactly like that, but it's kinda close close. I think it has a matte screen though. No backlighting but oh well. It's a school system for me, not an Alienware.

    Newegg.com - ASUS N55SL-ES71 Notebook Intel Core i7 2670QM(2.20GHz) 15.6" 8GB Memory DDR3 750GB HDD 5400rpm DVD±R/RW NVIDIA GeForce GT 635M

    Edit: ok so maybe not quite, but I am eagerly waiting next week when I get mine.
     
  27. TheBluePill

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    An Envy 15 Specter with a 6990M/7970M would fit the bill too.
     
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    Really with the mSATA SSD?
     
  29. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Hehe, nice thread. Here's my perfect setup:

    1) 17" (1920x1200) 120Hz IPS RGBLED Matte screen
    2) Ivy Bridge E 8/10 core unlocked (K) desktop processor
    3) 2x7990M in CF
    4) 4 Hard Drives + mSata + mobile broadband + WirelessHD transmitter + Killer Wireless 1103 + BR Burner
    5) The most important : 250W CPU cooling system (5x10mm heat pipes + 2 radiators + 2 fans); 120W cooling part for each GPU; Unlocked BIOS!
    6) 3-5 hr battery life (atomic if needed, lol)
    7) High quality backlit (non-chiclet) full-sized spill-resistant keyboard
    8) Klipsch 5+1 Sound system, 2 headphone jacks
    9) All the major connectivity options including thunderbolt.
    10) full metal jacket, preferably anodized/brushed aluminum or carbon fiber shell, mil-spec tested.

    Price: negotiable 5k :p
     
  30. Gearsguy

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    That's cool, doesn't really fit my description too well. Backlit keyboard and stuff is a must for me.

    HP Envy 15 sounds nice, too bad gaming performance seemed to turn out bad on it (was it nerfed or something? Laptopmag reported like 30fps max at 1080p on WoW). FC2 was 50fps vs 90fps on the Envy 15 vs Vaio S for example.
     
  31. kevmanw4301

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    My PERFECT laptop would be an E6220 with the X220 IPS, an i7-3920XM, and a 7990M. All in that svelte little package. Completely unrealistic.

    (To be more realistic, putting an A10 Trinity APU in there would be fine.)
     
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    My dream laptop would be a lot like the Vaio Z21, with these improvements:
    1. The hinge wouldn't prop up the laptop- otherwise, the hinge makes the computer difficult to use on the lap.
    2. The Power Media Dock would have two easily accessible MXM slots for SLI/Crossfire and easy upgrades. I would put in two 6990m GPUs.
    3. The Power Media Dock should use the standard Thunderbolt port. Did Sony not do this for licensing reasons, or did they create a higher speed optical port?
    4. The processor would be a quad core Ivy Bridge CPU
    5. Another couple USB3 ports on the computer
    6. Remove the VGA port and replace it with a mini DisplayPort
    A true gaming ultraportable laptop: the Holy Grail of mobile computing!
     
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    Why is this port still made?
     
  34. HTWingNut

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    I agree. DVI and VGA ports have no place on a laptop these days IMHO, regardless of size of the laptop. They are both ginormous connectors, and there are adapters from HDMI for DVI and from displayport to VGA both quite inexpensive, if really needed.
     
  35. TheBluePill

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    A little legacy support isn't bad IMO. Dealing with Projectors in offices can be a bear without the VGA port.
     
  36. HTWingNut

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    Keep it in business class laptops then. But again, there are adapters from displayport to VGA for less than $25.
     
  37. TheBluePill

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    Good point. I have HDMI Out and IN, which is nice and very useful.
     
  38. Mobius 1

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    Thin with a i7 extreme processor+low end nvidia, liquid cooled, less than 3KG, 15" 2560×1440 IPS, 5 Hrs of battery, Triple m-SATA slots with 3x 256GB SSD in RAID 0, ports: Charge, HDMI, mDisplay, USB 3.0 x4, LAN,

    Docks with a dual PCI 3.0 adapter with GTX 680 in SLi



    If only :(
     
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    I know, I would have 3 SSD modules behind the screen!

    2 of them would be Msata ports and one would be 1.8" (SSD only).
     
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    Future laptop design consideration: The chassis

    Watched a u tube video of an HP DV7 laptop being thermal imaged (+100 F).
    Usual hot areas under keyboard (CPU & GPU). Hot also near power/cord/supply.
    Very cool behind the LCD area.

    Possible future chassis design would maintain a CPU zone under keyboard,
    but have a GPU zone behind the LCD. Each would have their own separate
    areas for cooling/exhaust. Take a look behind a 40” or 50” display panel &
    see what manufacturers put there. Make use of cool wasted space.
     
  41. Kirrr

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    Macbook Air 13" with the hardware of the Macbook Pro 15".
     
  42. TheBluePill

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    You will probably see that happen in the next 12-24 months.
     
  43. Kirrr

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    I'm waiting for this, since the first air's debut.
     
  44. Krane

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    Unlikely. Theres only so much you can do with the space provided. Besides, Apple likes to compartmentalized their products. A machined like that would overlap into its big brother's territory.
     
  45. kevmanw4301

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    With Fermi 640M chips making it into ultrabooks, it doesn't seem out of the question.
     
  46. Krane

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    Marketing my good man. The technology is rarely the limiting factor in new computer developments.
     
  47. kevmanw4301

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    You are 100% correct. One can still hope...
     
  48. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    Im going to redesign mine:

    Size: 13''
    Res: 1440*900 or 1680*1050
    CPU: Quad core ivy
    GPU: HD 4000
    eGPU: Whatever the hell I want
    Weight: around 1.5kg
    Keyboard: lenovo x1 keyboard
    Touchpad: apple touchpad
    SSD: 256gb
    Thickness: my mbp is the limit that I take now, so 2.4cm or less.
    Battery: 8-12 hours
    Materials: aluminum or magnesium, or any of those soft metals

    Connections:

    USB: 1 for 2 and 1 for 3
    TB: Optical cabling, bandwidth pcie x8
    SD cards

    Dock options, I do like the ACD docking capabilities, but to have a dock that uses TB is a great plus, and yes I saw that people are starting to develop those, finally.
     
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    Well as it sits the m4600 is the perfect laptop if it had a WUXGA screen over the FHD+ and if the point stick was as good as lenovo's trackpoint. But if I had to build a perfect laptop with todays screens I would say this would be a choice as well:

    -14in 1920x1080 WLED
    -3860QM
    -ATI gaming card (pref 7770 or better) with MANUAL switchable like my old t400 and able to run 2 external and laptop screen at the same time
    -Dell business or lenovo thinkpad keyboard (backlit is nice)
    -Large mSata drive for OS and applications
    -750GB 7200RPM storage drive
    -slot load optical
    -16GB of ram
    -dual 9 cell batteries allowing 7+ hours of battery life

    Other then that I cant think of much after that. But again my m4600 seems to be a perfect fit with most of that possible and a dedicated numpad (VERY useful for me). But to be truely perfect a 16:10 ratio screen would be needed. So making either WUXGA would be a HUGE plus.
     
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    14" AMOLED display.
    sub 1.5kg
    upgradable mxm graphic card with nvidia optimus
    overclockable cpu bios
    hotswap battery
    smart bay for battery, hdd or odd
    thunderbolt
    4xusb3.0 each port with it's chip not 4x1 but 4x4.
    usb with charging capability while notebook is off
    carbon fibre chassis
    upgradable I/O ports
    2x full size mini pci-e
    backlite keyboard with several languages
    fully waterproof
    rugged mil spec
    integrated 4g and gps with connectors for external antennas
    connector for external wifi and dvb-t antennas
    secondary display
    proximity sensor
    touchscreen display
    multi card reader with compact flash and XQD usb3.0 based
    HD webcam
    quality sound system
    custom cooling pad
    docking station with thunderbolt pci-e egpu
    option for several batteries sizes and capacities
    2x 12.5mmm hdd bays.
    6x ram slots
    integrated solar panels for recharging (at least a little bit)
    low power switch (downclock cpu, integrated gpu etc)
    fingerprint reader (that also works before bios kicks in)
    anti-teft protection (gps based)
    sub 750$ price
    barebones option

    dreaming can't hurt right?
     
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