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    Do you think that laptop screens with 240Hz or 300Hz are a gimmick?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Peto Pedro, Dec 28, 2020.

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    What do you think guyz ( for those who really understand what is behind the technology)
     
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    Huh? Why would they be fake?
     
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    I know I know but u know what, I do it this way most used :
    1k = 1920x1080
    2k = 2560x1440
    4k = 3840x2160
    Actually I found 4k 240Hz but only 2 panels for TVs only or god knows where they are used... : https://www.panelook.com/modelsearc...0&vertical_frequency=240&sunlight_readable=-1
    144Hz 10 of them : https://www.panelook.com/modelsearc...0&vertical_frequency=144&sunlight_readable=-1
     
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    What's wrong with 1080p? 1080p still looks really good. I really don't get this 4K bandwagon people keep jumping on.

    Besides, there isn't any GPU currently in existence that can do 120 fps at 4K resolution in any AAA titles released in the past few years (that I know of). We need more GPU compute power and/or more efficient algorithms for shading and rasterization.

    4K 120 Hz panels won't become common for a few more GPU generations. You'll be hard pressed to find one as they're very new, and will be very expensive. I think your best bet right now if you really want to go to a higher resolution and have a high refresh rate panel is to get a 1440p 120 Hz or 1440p 144 Hz panel. 120 and 144 fps are attainable at 1440p resolution in today's titles with the most powerful graphics cards.
     
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    Well I know but I have 4k@60 Tv 65'' for now .. And when I reduced resolution to 1080 it is really really bad... My friend got that new LG TV CX 48'' 120Hz and 3090 As 3000 nvidia series support HDMI 2.1 if you see it you would NEVER go back to poor 1k ... Desktop in 120Hz is AMAZING
     
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    NO just posted that there is one 4k 17.3 144Hz laptop panel and 3 15.6'' 120 Hz
    I was in that impression that those laptop panels they advertise 300Hz are 4k but they are just 1k
    I realised.
     
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    Ahhh...yes.... higher rates on smaller pixel area.

    4K tops out reliably at 120hz though.

    FHD for whatever reason pushes it to 300hz which is overkill for 99.999% of applications and doesn't make sense to me personally. 120/144hz are more than enough before things get blurry.
     
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    Exactly I as looking for 2k monitors too but I don't like those generic 27'' or 28''
    I need from 30'' to 40'' monitor Currently I have GTX 1660 super and warzone funs perfectly on full all details
    But imagine my TV is 60Hz and when I connected my RiG to friends new LG 120Hz I checked fps and it ran 75-80 fps .. I know you right fps won't reach or match 120hz or 144hz for long time
    But the desktop work on 120Hz is awesome in 4k
     
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    Exactly And monitors are made only with 144 Hz and TVs 120Hz .. Don't know why but these two frequencies are totally enough ..That's why I asked in title that 240Hz and 300Hz are basicaly fake .. Useless..
     
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    https://www.pcpepper.com/choosing-refresh-rate-for-gaming-monitors-60hz-vs-120hz-vs-240hz/

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Do-yo...bout-high-refresh-rate-monitors.434392.0.html

    Most outputs won't do above 60hz unless you're using a desktop/dedicated GPU.....

    When I connect my server to my TCL 55" i get 30hz on the Intel GPU but, if I connected using the dedicated AMD it will push upwards to 60 or 120hz.

    2nd link will show you perception of anything above 120hz

    If you're gaming it's a combo of HZ / ms... 4K won't get you the ms you're pushing for unless you're paying for the speed north of $1K to start out at.
     
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    It depends your TV supports 120HZ? Then if you want 60Hz from your intel gpu u need connect mini DP port (on laptop) with club 3D adapter Mini DP to HDMI.
    https://www.club-3d.com/en/detail/2339/mini_displayport_1.2_to_hdmi_2.0_active_adapter/
    https://www.club-3d.com/en/detail/2443/mini_displayport_1.4_to_hdmi_2.0b_hdr/
     
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    Ah the classic tale of once you experience something better, you can never go back. I experienced this when I got my first 120 Hz 1080p screen. It looked amazing and still does. 60 fps now looks laggy to me, and 30 fps looks much worse than it did before. My perception speed must've increased. This is the reason I will never get a 240 Hz monitor. It'll ruin gaming for me.
     
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    Is it just laptop screen or monitor max 1080 ?
     
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    It's a 120 Hz 1080p panel for my Alienware Ranger in my signature.

    Also I get the point of 4K looking better on 4K screens. Screens look their best when you run them at their native resolution. Running at a lower resolution and upscaling causes blurriness.
     
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    Yeah because 4k has more dense pixels and lower resolution will look bad as it needs bigger more dense pixels ... But I play in 2k@60 in warzone settings and TV still has 4k resolution so it kind of downscales but the picture is still amazing so my best gameplay is 2k ... If I set to 4k@60 the 1660 super becomes too weak sadly..
     

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    From my personal experience, definitely not fake.

    300Hz on my Dell G5 Gaming Laptop.
    [​IMG]

    300Hz selected in Overwatch.
    [​IMG]

    Do Refresh Rates matter? Of course, but it depends like with all things... *

    60Hz to 100Hz = Huge jump and obviously noticeable.

    100Hz to 120Hz = Takes a trained eye, but noticeable to those with seasoned eyes.

    120Hz to 144Hz = Maybe some really good fps game players 'might' be able to, but I'd put money on the fact that if you did a double blind test, they wouldn't score 100%.

    144Hz+ = Pro gamer territory... again do a double blind test with a major fps type gamer and they won't be able to tell. These tests have been done many times before, even with using lower refresh rate monitors and they still got it wrong in guessing what Hz went with what Monitor.

    I actually envy those still playing on 1080p, because your eyes haven't been spoiled yet. IMO 1440p is the perfect sweet spot, but I now game at 4K.

    4K gaming is at a whole another level. Unless you've experienced it, it's really hard to judge, but even then it depends on the game..

    Take Cyberpunk 2077 for example. I've been doing a lot of in game tests with different GPU's, Settings and Resolutions. Going from 4K to 1080p is Night and Day. 1080p looks very soft and blurry compared to 4K, which is obvious in other instances as well..

    So the 4K bandwagon people are jumping on is for a reason, one that blows 1080p visuals out of the water.

    I'll never go 1080p again for a main monitor for a laundry list of reasons, but 1080p is perfectly fine for fast paced games etc... there's nothing wrong with it, but to someone who has the hardware and panel to play at 1440p or 4K, there's a lot of things wrong with 1080p in that sense, because it is inferior in almost every way.

    Image quality and not having a blurry picture is important to most people...

    My favorite Resolution is still 1440p all around as it provides the best of both worlds in respect to the current gen hardware that we have.

    (Although with Cyberpunk 2077 with my RTX 3090, I can play 4K @ 70 FPS with Ultra Presets w/ DLSS on Quality, which is acceptable given that it is 4K. ie... At least it isn't >30 FPS, which is not doable for most people including myself.)

    @Peto Pedro ah yes the LG CX 48", what a beauty... it's absolutely stunning and it really spoils your eyes. I think LG should have put a warning label on the TV stating "Buyer or Shopper be aware, look at your own risk as experiencing this TV may permanently damage your calibration for when it comes to gaming TV/monitors. LG is not responsible for users throwing their 1080p out the window and into the trash. Proceed at your own risk."

    No, but really ... I would argue that if one has the space the LG CX 48" is a much better value than some of these $1500+ gaming wide screen monitors. I almost got one, but I would be sitting too close to it due to how my office is set up.

    @Tech Junky Yea I agree... 120/144Hz is way more than enough..again, there are numerous double blind tests done and even really good gamers couldn't tell...

    I've always used this analogy..."Give a Pro gamer a 60Hz monitor with the bare minimum hardware, dollar tree mouse etc... and give an avg gamer the top end 100000000000000000Hz monitor, top end hardware etc.... the Pro Gamer would still eat the avg gamer for lunch lol. :D"

    ie... Sure better hardware is awesome, but that doesn't translate to necessarily making you a better gamer, just because of the hardware... sure there are aspects to having better hardware that can help you, but as they say... it's the driver, not the car within reason. But you get the point..
     

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    Its easily noticeable especially going from a 60Hz screen to a 144Hz screen in my case. Try going back to a 60Hz screen after that, its a experience you'll never go back to ever again!.
     
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    That is so true lol... #60hzNeverAgain.

    The leap from 60 to 144 is astronomical to actual gamers. (meaning those who play games where fps matters and understand refresh rates...)
     
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    1080p looks pretty good on 15.6 / 17.3 panels to be sure, especially since you dont often need AA to smooth out the edges, or much of it for most people.

    You cut the resolution in half of a 65" panel. Even 4K at 65" is kind of meh in tandem of PC use, so 1080p @ 65" is hardly surprising.

    We dont particularly see in FPS but in motion. One thing you will also notice is simply going up to 75hz is actually quite a huge improvement over 60hz. 120hz/144hz is a good spot for many. Im not sure if I care about 240hz/300hz as Im not rich enough to push those kind of frames but maybe someday :)
     
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    That makes a lot of sense on large screen. A 4K TV definitely has a much sharper, clearer picture than a 1080p TV. What about regular sized desktop screens and laptop screens though? 1080p looks pretty sharp on those to me. I've never actually seen a 4K laptop or desktop panel in person though, just 4K TVs.
     
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    For a 17.3" screen I'm quite happy with 1080P 144Hz. 240Hz would be better as long as the color accuracy/response is just as good as my current IPS 1ms screen.

    I would game in 4K but definitely not on a 17.3" laptop. Waste in my opinion. Absolutely love our LG 65" 4K HDR screen. Also IPS and TruMotion 120Hz (which we really know is 60Hz interpolated). For my RTX 2070 60-120Hz is about all I can hope to achieve in 4K resolution, sometimes less!
     
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    @iunlock

    Can you confirm if the 300Hz in your G5 is the AUOB98C aka B156HAN12.0?
     
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    NO you really wrong You don't even have idea how nice and crisp letters look on 4k tv ! And white color is proper white !
    You need to experience it...
    But still a lot of websites using low resolution pictures and they look terrible

    Don't mistake ''trumotion'' feature in TVs as this is only to enhance smoothness in movies.. or TV channels... Don't use it for gaming.. For gaming you need to set tv to GAME mode then trumotion is turned off

    There are only 2 panels 15.6'' and 17.3 for 1920x1080 resolution
    https://www.panelook.com/modelsearc...0&vertical_frequency=300&sunlight_readable=-1
     
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    I have a 42" FHD TV 2 feet from me on my desk.

    I have a 4k 70"(75"?) in the living room. Its 60hz, and has terrible input lag. For consoles its fine, but I can no longer enjoy any system with 60hz and/or input lag. Hence why I prefer 1080p144hz and everything else to be IPS for its viewing angles.
     
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    IPS is now outdated .. Bleeding blacks
    Once you see LG 65'' OLED CX 4k@120Hz you will freeze..
     
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    Couldnt care less about OLED at the moment when they still have burn in.

    I have no interest in a 4K120hz 65" TV. Consoles cant drive those frames, and children still like to knock them over because everything that is a display is a phone or tablet and Im not the type to police children because I spent too much money on a television.

    I use IPS because 1. cheap, 2. more often color accurate, 3. viewing angles. When OLED is as cheap as IPS is now, dont have to think about burn in then its allowed to be on the table for discussion.

    Otherwise Im quite satisfied with my 5x 1080p75hz panels, 1x 1080p144hz TN, and 42" FHD TV I got for 40 USD locally.

    I dont live in as much abstraction as you do, wish I could as it seems much easier than my own methods, but I am functional in my materials.
     
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    Brand:Sharp
    Model: LQ173M1JW03
    Abbreviation: SHP14DC

    17.3 FHD 300Hz
     
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    I know I know model number... dunno why it isn't included in the website... Contacted the website dev.
    But AUO is maybe better with colors .
    There is one more website
    https://www.laptopscreen.com/English/screen-part-number/LQ173M1JW03/
    But you can buy it on aliexpress from many sellers.. https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20201230044458&SearchText=LQ173M1JW03

    Here is Asus with your sharp screen : https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-...S-laptop-review-Frontier-runner.481169.0.html

    And here is with auo screen : https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-...ints-with-a-fast-300-Hz-display.448620.0.html

    https://www.ultrabookreview.com/38784-asus-rog-scar-17-review/

    Sharp :The Scar 17 has to do without Nvidia's image enhancement G-Sync. In return, the 17-incher supports Optimus GPU switching.

    AUO : The built-in 300 Hz panel pleases with short response times. It also supports Nvidia's G-Sync technology.
     
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    My laptop has a 144 Hz AUO panel that supports G-Sync, I'm pretty happy with it. 240 or 300 hz might be nicer in theory, but I'm perfectly happy with 144.
     
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    Can you post the model?
     
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    Mine is a Clevo PB71DF2-G so not too surprising.
     
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    Oooh c'mooon my friend has it and there is no any stupid fake burn in propaganda what ppl spreading worldwide!!! Nonsense..!
    Burn in would happen if you set brightness or contrast to max and nobody does that !
    He got the 48'' which has 95ppi for £1300 from facebook marketplace brand new discounted
     
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    Yeah no one uses max brightness ever, if only I could get 100nit monitors and I would be golden. Im actually collecting paychecks from Big Tech to spread lies about new Tech that people actually want and that Big Tech actually offers.
     
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    I don't believe internet but only actual ppl who actually has tv for long time not for one day and making non-truth conclusions..
    Ppl would massively complain worldwide and return TVs which is not happening..
    But I am rather interested in 8K TVs and near future TV as now currently cheapest 8k@60 TV (4k@120) 55'' Has 160ppi which is massive difference comparing to 90ppi ... And 65'' has 135ppi still more than all 4k tv now.. Which windows PC connected to 8k tv will look just amazing even with scaling or reducing resolutions in games.. These 8k tvs has chip which keeps picture perfect when lowering resolutions.

    https://business.currys.co.uk/catal..._ZwuNtupySAe4RCLIiRoCv4oQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
     
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    Argument fallacies, gotta love them. I can do that too.

    You have yet to prove that you have had an OLED 4K TV displaying images for 2500/5000/7500/10000 hours and until such time I cant understand your non-truth conclusions.

    You cant return an item with an expired warranty dude.



    https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/8snpm0/help_screen_burn_in_on_alienware_13_oled/

    2 years old, not max brightness, complaining about burn in. Took me 5 seconds to find.

    I want more OLED devices but I also dont want burn in, Im not Anti-OLED its just not where I want it to be quite yet.
     
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    That is very very old video ... Old OLED TVs technology
    Today new LG CX OLED is far more better it is monitor basically and constant updates making tv better.

    If there would be in burn within that one year (which is low in uk in EU is two years) I will send it back.
    Well ppl keep TVs max 5 years? then they upgrade some 10 years.. Today ppl own TV less as they want new and new things..
    My friend using it as monitor so no any poor quality cable tv channels..
    But 8k TV with lower price is not OLED but nanocell which I want
     
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    Sounds like some goal posts are moving :)
     
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    I could get 8k OLED but it is like £20000 vs Nano Cell £1200
    I only speaking because you said you don't like OLED but only IPS..
    But here is very good video about new OLEDS :
     
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    @ Peto Pedro If you already know everything there is to know about the subject then why are you trolling for a debate over the technology?
     
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    Don't know if I understand you ??!!
     
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