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    Do you think that laptop screens with 240Hz or 300Hz are a gimmick?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Peto Pedro, Dec 28, 2020.

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    Lol hilarious.

    Look if oled can lead to high refresh rate, low input lag and decent color accuracy for an affordable price, and no fear of burn in regardless of brightness on a laptop then sign me up.

    Until then it's a pass, I hope it continues to progress or even inspires new technologies that replaces it
     
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    Here is the answer.... And even for those boys they like your post ;)
    https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_starts_mass_producing_oled_panels_for_laptops-news-47327.php
     
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    False, 90hz. 90!=120/144its good they are making progress though burn in tests will take additional time to test.
     
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    Yes, it's almost 3 years old, I don't think that qualifies as very very old. All of those TVs did pixel shifting and were power cycled with pixel refresher enabled. It shows that static things like a task bar or HUD burn in. Please tell me all of the other steps LG has done differently since then to prevent burn in. Rtings and LG themselves still say the new CX continues to have a risk of permanent burn in which can be prevented with varied content (just alter your screen, hide your ask bar, move your icons, etc).
     
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    I think there will be fixed lowered brightness... we will see but mini led panels coming to laptops too ...

    They did LG released firmware that will DIM the screen ... but apparently ppl started complaining so LG brought brightness back ..
     
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    So LG's solution was to make the screen dim because they know that there is a potential issue with burn in...

    So there is a potential issue with burn in...

    *on edit*

    Don't get me wrong, I would love a new CX series TV for watching movies. I don't want one for a computer monitor...
     
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    As I said latest update put brightness back to brighter .. It is hard for you when u don't have it at home ..
    I saw it and looks awesome when we played cyberpunk ... g-sync , hdr , even windows desktop. But yea 48'' is probably big
    43'' would be the sweet spot ..
     
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    Just make sure to move icons around and hide the start bar and such...
     
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    If you never used it except for gaming or watching movies that it should be OK.
     
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    I have zero icons on my desktop heheh.. :) am not that classic style guy, which has millions icons. I have all in download folder. And I use explorer folder on taskbar.
    I am not going to get oled anyway. ..only because price tag.. Am getting either nanocell 50" 8k(166ppi) or there is very cheap and very good 4k 50" quantum dot tv hisense with 89ppi
    I could get 43" which has 103ppi but that would be too small for the lounge. I will tell that to my friend he has LG CX and tons of icons haha :D

    I mean what ppl do? on desktop? Nothing much just browsing Internet and it is fine.
    I have currently Hisense 4k@60 Hisense TV (68ppi) and watching it 1.4M away Scaling set to 300 and dpi 80 and picture is perfect
    Even reading is good
     
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    What I meant by that is, when you are not gaming and watching movies you are using a different monitor, allowing no opportunity for screen burn to occur using it as you would as the only monitor.
     
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    There is no difference now btw monitor and TV..
    My friend has TV since december and no any burn whatsoever
     
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    Lol, I would hope after one month there wouldn't be any burn in.
     
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    That really would be a sour purchase if there was burn in at one month
     
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    Watch dis guyyyz :
     
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    I feel like the thread lost its purpose, it was made as an inquiry about high refresh rate panels which switched to 4k high refresh rate, which then switched to OLED 4k high refresh rate, and now its not even on laptops but for televisions.
     
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    Simply don't come here even custom90gt and yrekabakery
    I mentioned oled panels for laptops u didn't like it.. u only like what u will say?? Or becuse it is Not IPS so u don't like it.. Or u just simply has nothing to say
    That's 10 -12 boys are like that :) Just because TVs becoming monitors but u not realising it... There is now no difference ..
     
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    Off topic is off topic, nothing more, nothing less.

    The subject is no longer about the content of the original post. Make another thread.

    Your reading comprehension is seemingly quite low as I already stated I have a 42" TV on my desk 3 feet from me. It would be quite the conundrum to resolve how I am ignorant of using a TV with my PC when that exact scenario has been in play for various points in my life since flat panel HDTV's were common place.

    But hey, Im not the one trying to resolve issues with the ever moving goal posts.
     
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    You started by asking a ridiculous question thats in the title which a mere Google search would answer, then you proceed to ridicule people for preferring non-OLED products and who are making reasonable conversation and putting valid points and trying to help out. I suggest you actually read how OLED phosphors work and how each R, G and B sub pixels age at differing rates, before making claims like burn is fake or extremely rare without really understanding usage scenarios and factors accelerating it (Burn in will occur no matter what, as it’s inherent to the technology, how fast it appears/noticeable to the eye in terms of months or years however depends on usage case).... You post videos but those guys in them are mostly using the TVs as TVs.

    Also try and read about how LG white OLEDs overlaid w/ RGBW filters seen in most current TVs differ from OLEDs in phones and laptops, you’ll see why burn in can occur faster on laptop panels.

    As far as sending a TV back for burn in after a few months, good luck LG I’m fairly sure won’t fix something you caused even if under warranty. It’s considered normal wear so I’d be careful of using as monitor if using for long hours with static elements..
     
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    A troll is defined as "one who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"

    If you continue to fuel the troll through responses it keeps trying to push your buttons for a reaction.


    The premise of the thread was to get a reaction about higher refresh rates coming of age and diverged into random technologies and their applications. There's always going to be something new coming out to compare to what exists currently. Whether you use an application specific panel/monitor or a TV for viewing is up to you.

    For instance you could suggest using a projector instead of either and that will probably spur another 8 pages of back and forth on the subject of whatever this thread is about now.
     
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    It is NOT any off topic .. you can't admit that TV's and especially in 2021 will be basically monitors.. As TVs are produced with high refresh rates .. 8k resolution.. Not only OLED ... just because u hate OLED because of burning u want to demonetize thread .. Because u think u know the best :) ? SO what u wanna talk about?? or only that ppl will listen only you to be you ''famous''??
     
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    Nobody tries anything it looks like you trying .. I am only try to talk about panels you don't??? Go away if u don't like it.. or don't come to this thread ...simple
     
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    I think ridiculous is you u talking about some google search .. So?? do u even know what is google search for?? that will FIND web pages with question you type and then result particular website .. so here we are. Don't u think? I only wanted share thoughts.. Don't understand what is your problem if u don't like it go away I think it is YOU who trying to be smart just because your ''fake'' info some crap ''reputations or trophy crap which is not even true means u are here every day not ordinary person, which think you know better? Please go somewhere else - simple
    I only noticing here some naive little boys trying to be smart and only loving IPS :D
    I never ever said I am only OLED lover :) I my self have matte IPS 65'' tv .. So don't know what is your problem
    And + denying that OLED is bad make you and those above only naive individuals.. trying to demonetize ..
     
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    I dont think you even know what you are spewing at this point.

    The thread was made with an inquiry because you didnt know how to look up laptop panels, now you are trying to say that laptop panels and Televisions are the same thing. There are different words for each specific thing because low and behold they are different enough to require different words. If people went to Amazon looking for a laptop panel to only find 65" "laptop panels" there would be quite a bit of confusion.

    Again I never stated that I "hate" OLED, I just think it needs more progress, you are welcome to quote me with that if you find that possible. I guarantee you wont be able to as I have not uttered such a phrase. You are simply perceiving criticism as hate, and that is quite a shallow thought process.

    I am not famous nor do I desire to be, and this thread is not monetizable to begin with and for crying out low use multi-quote instead of double-triple posting all the time.
     
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    It is NOT I am trying .. I am STATING as it is true .. there is no any difference manufacturing production today btw ''monitors'' or ''TVs''
    It is basically old style naming and labelling because manufacturers labelled it like that in the past..
    If I bring you only panel of any size and same refresh rate and same resolution you will not see any difference.. you will not name it or label it as tv or monitor..
    NO it is you started with OLED hate.. And main thing is more and more people loves it ..
    And more and more videos about oled coming .. and the reason the topics diverted because we have to bring any panel type into the account not making differences.. And you don't criticise me you have to criticise LG if their oled burns.. which is pure paranoia of few owners which don't know how to set or calibrate TV ..
     
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    So tell me how you inquiry of laptop panels with the refresh rate of 144hz, 240hz and 300hz and their legitimacy directly corelates to 4K OLED TV's?
     
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    You have many fps online that can get 300fps...csgo for example.
     
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    Because I used to have laptop and always 17'' never less .. how on earth you can play game on little 15'' ??? and only 1k ?
    Since laptop prices went stupidly high I sold old 6th gen intel laptop msi 17'' and decided to buy desktop as I had laptop always connected to my 4k tv then I realised when I disconnected laptop from tv and watched that little laptop screen it was crazy small .. And I build perfect 5x faster mini ITX PC within £1000.
    And now to your question is because not even 6 months back the TVs were crap .. but you don't know how bigger panels are ridiculously fast changing .. Only NOW we have TV panels with 120Hz and 4k and that is ONLY unfortunately OLED... and ONLY this TV supports g-sync...
    I really really wish that THIS nanocell LG TV which is IPS panel would support g-sync .. https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-an...ogle-assistant-amazon-alexa-10213597-pdt.html
     
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    You failed to provide how the two are one in the same.
     
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    Don't know what you mean ..
    Basically I had chance to see 120hz on tv few weeks ago it was amazing
    And few months ago I had chance to see 144hz and 244hz on acer and msi laptops and didn't see any difference when I tried mouse cursor on windows desktop didn't see 300Hz panel yet and then I realised that on laptops there is high refresh rate but only 1k I thought that laptops with higher refresh rate than 60 are 4k only and then they are 1k only ...
     
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    Your title, it specifically asks about laptop panels, and now you are talking 4K OLED Televisions. I asked you to demonstrate how the two are explicitly linked and you gave some paragraph of fluff that does not do that.

    If you simply wanted to know why there arent options are available in the segment you are interested in, that is simple, but instead you chose to move goal posts with nearly every post you make.

    We do not "see" in terms of FPS or Refresh rates. We perceive motion, and just like anything else, details matter. There is a reason why distinctions must be made, especially when you are pursuing the far edges of many subjects.
     
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    Because TV's are still screen panels installed in larger frames called TV .. smaller panels are installed in smaller frames called monitor.... :)
    Well many subjects but only display screen related it is vast topic divided to many subjects ...
    I just checked it was you who said you could be careless about OLED .. But guess what .. The main problem burn in occurred in OLED screens because those ''CARELESS'' individuals who owns oled and ramp up the brightness or contrast or backlit of course they gonna burn it and complain even if they know it was their fault.. And then brings misleading to the world .. But the difference is that you cannot set the contrast or saturation or or backlit on laptop screen only backlit .. and even that is limited to prevent any damage... All laptops has max brightness treshold up to 350 nits... tv panels produce much much more brightness and those oleds has like peak brightness 700 nits? that is crazy compare to mine TV 450 nits.
    So when I said earlier on samsung will bring OLED panels to laptops soon will not suffer any damage as the user will be unable to ramp it up brightness on max.. as it will be capped to prevent burn..
     
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    It has only 8bit not 10 bit? and no HDR? does it have g-sync or it is not needed with such refresh rate?
     
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    The Dell XPS, MacBook Pro, and some versions of the Lenovo Legion 5 and 7 (among others) offer screens that are 500 nits.

    By the way, use the multi-quote function if you're responding to more than one person so you're not creating a string of posts.
     
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    @ Peto Pedro

    Quit digging a hole and arguing with yourself.

    Now you're talking about nits and lumens. The reason a big screen displays a higher NIT is because of the distance and ambient light needed for a clear image at a distance. Typical smaller monitors/panels have a lower value to not burn your retina when within 2 feet of your eyes. Recommended distance for higher NIT viewing is at least 8-10 feet depending on the size of the display.

    When you get into lumens for a projector even some have a lower value of 300 meant for a darkened room while a portable version might be higher at 1500 which is suitable for a mildly lit room. A brighter room will see this rise to 2500-5000 to counteract the lighting that fades the image. Theater or outdoor systems can hit 50K Lumens for the higher distance.

    Now your argument for a higher brightness essentially doesn't make sense unless you're addressing a specific instance in viewing.
     
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    No u didn't get point .. those idiots raping their OLED to 100 % and they not burring just screens but their eyes !!!
    And you even said earlier on that u are fine with 144Hz that you won't see the difference and now u have suddenly 300hz panel :)
    Jesus christ now you bringing here projectors ... FACEPALM ... you don't understand why projectors are darker BECUSE simply the older projectors uses LAMP which has to be replaced very often as it burns quickly as the lamp lifespan is very short.. 2000 hours
    but today you have LASER projectors which are brighter and will last 20.000 hours..
     
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    500?? Hardly can believe what panels are they ?
     
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    Regurgitating what I just said doesn't bolster anything you've tried to say here.

    I didn't say I have 300hz... I posted a link to a 300hz upgrade someone did countering the Title Theme of Fakeness.

    144hz in most cases is ample for what someone would be doing on a computer implementation.
     
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    I'm not going to do your homework for you.
     
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    Hey hey stop being cocky ok? show me those models which has that brightness.. That's the laptop manuf decision and purely stupid!

    Edit:
    found it..
    1. Dell XPS 15 (626 nits)
    2. Gigabyte Aero 17 HDR (575 nits)
    3. Dell Latitude 5290 2-in-1 (542 nits)
    4. Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 (516 nits)
    5. HP Envy x2 (486 nits)
    6. HP Spectre x360, 15-inch, OLED (483 nits)
    7. Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga (477 nits)
    8. Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon (469 nits)
    9. Huawei MateBook X Pro (458 nits)
    10. MacBook Pro 13-inch (441 nits)


    And this is where you making mistake the panel itself can have 600 nits BUT laptop manufacturer will ABSOLUTELY not allow those 600 nits once installed in particular laptop due to power consumption purposes
     
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    The earth is flat and vaccines don't work....

    There are plenty of instances where deviating outside of the OEM planned panel use occur and modified BIOS are used to deviate from what an OEM deems appropriate.

    NEXT
     
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    That's the truth ..
     
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    So, between hacking the OEM or buying a laptop supporting 600+...
     
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    Old and busted:

    New 20 minutes later hotness:

     
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    So now we are trying to change the context by deliberately not directly quoting my statement, rephrasing it by eliminating the space between two words to then create one word and trying to deliver it as if it was some kind of counter zinger? Seriously? Seems a bit careless if you ask me.

    It seems you have the problem with your own OP title my guy. I wasnt the one that specifically notated laptop panel, that was you.
     
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    I really don't understand you .. ''a '' counter zinger'' woow what the hell is daat ??
    well it is forum mistake i cannot change the title ... I wanted to change from the fake to overkill or gimmick... at least 300Hz.... and wipe 144Hz as that is about the right
    you sound or u think u like an IA robot??
    Well conversation went well until u started having aversion towards OLED :)
    then u didn't like it ...
    But there are many hypocrites like you out there... Soon or later the OLED will be on your table I can bet..
     
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    So its the forums fault for how you made the title, do you have any accountability or does oled take care of that too?
     
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