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    Dual Core Atom built for netbooks incoming?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Jayayess1190, Mar 8, 2010.

  1. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Atom N500
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    Cool, bluring the lines between netbook and low end culv processors like the Celeron 743 and SU2300 even more.
     
  2. Phinagle

    Phinagle Notebook Prophet

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    So how does the math work out when you add a second weak core to an Atom....does it halve the lousy or double it? ;)
     
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    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Well, there are already two dual core Atoms, the N330 and D510...
     
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    Trottel Notebook Virtuoso

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    Wait, I thought you could get dual core atom netbooks already?
     
  5. MidnightSun

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    I believe all the dual-core Atoms were used only in nettops.
     
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    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    The Asus 1201N has a dual core N330, but it is a desktop processor. This new Atom will be built from the ground up for netbooks.
     
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    Isn't the D510 a true dual core and offer 64bit ability? Or did I read it wrong?
     
  8. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    You read correctly, the D510 is a native dual core that supports 64-bit. All Pinetrails, both nettop and netbook support 64-bit.
     
  9. Mastershroom

    Mastershroom wat

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    The dual-core Atom 330 in my 1201N definitely supports 64-bit.
     
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    More importantly than the 'discovery' of Dual-core Atoms, is the 'discovery' that the next generation of those chips will finally meet the original power and heat specifications.

    Meaning that Intel is now saying that upcoming Atom releases (including their complimentary IGP) will consume 1/4 as much power and generate 1/2 as much heat as current chips do. The GMA500 will be superseded by a new Atom-specific IGP that mirrors the HD capabilities of the current GMA4500HD.
     
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    IMO , atom is still a failure... its quite slow and crap and 2 bad things just make a even worse thing...
     
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    care to quote any real-world numbers on that assertion sean?
     
  13. Trottel

    Trottel Notebook Virtuoso

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    The main thing Atom has over the other architectures is that it is extremely cheap to produce compared to the other processors Intel makes. Its die size is miniscule. It also does get slightly lower power consumption than a wolfdale processor of the same computing power.
     
  14. Jayayess1190

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    A bit more info, seems this is not a rumor. So what will this do to $350-$450 machines like the Acer 1410. Will this dual core Atom be better than a 1410 with a Celeron 743? The Atom while dual core, probably will still be in order, so the Celeron will be better?

     
  15. Mastershroom

    Mastershroom wat

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    Do you even own an Atom-based netbook?

    I have had two, one with a single-core Atom and my current 1201N with a dual-core model. The single-core one was noticeably slower at multitasking and doing anything requiring a lot of CPU horsepower (which, realistically, you shouldn't be doing on a netbook anyway), but neither of them are "crap", as you put it.

    The Atom exists for cheap systems with low power consumption, and it excels at that. You want performance? Get an i7.
     
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    It's not an issue of i7 versus Atom for performance. The question is at what point is a CPU fast enough that it's not a perceptual bottleneck. For me, that was an SU2300 with my X-25M. My Atom felt too slow, but for others, an Atom feels fast enough.
     
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    I would partially agree, as I had higher expectation out of my HP Min 1000. Hopefully, these new Atoms(specially the dual core) fix some of those bottleneck and issues that the old N270 had. I pretty much love/content(with) the current speed of my Vaio TT with the SU9300 cpu(SSD would make it even better), and I really can't imagine going to anything slower.
     
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    My netbook with the regular atom did everything you could want and expect a netbook to do.

    That single core atom played movies/music fine (even 720p) it ran my GPS navigation systems, it even played my emulators without a hitch.

    The only thing it could not handle that I feel a netbook should handle is flash animations and flash movies. Everybody knows flash is old, it sucks, its a cpu hog... but well we are stuck with it and with flash being a large part of the net, a "netbook" needs to support it.

    The dual core atom is probably just enough to cover that one small shortcoming. I dont know for sure as I do not have one, but I think the dual core atom is a great thing.

    I have been waiting for 2 upgrades the atom --> dual core atom. and the XXXX x 600 resolution to be updated to something a bit higher (1200x800 would be good), and it needs to stay in the 10" netbook size.

    I feel the time is very close to see this new netbook with those specs actually fabricated and out there for purchase.
     
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    CEO Affirms Creation Dual Core Atom Chips Designed for Netbooks

    • DDR3 Ram, Yes
    • Hyper-Threading, Yes
    • Graphics better than GMA X3150, ??
    • Still in-order, ???
    • 32nm, ??
     
  20. thinkpad knows best

    thinkpad knows best Notebook Deity

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    Well, perhaps Atoms will finally supersede the Pentium M performance wise. All i think is that i can/did get a full blown 14.1" ThinkPad T43, almost new for the same price as an Atom based netbook, it's just more wise to me, the T43 is almost as thin as any netbooks, puts out a little more heat, has all around better performance, still gets over 3 hours of battery lfie from a 6 cell 4 year old Li-ion. And while posessing older chipset, for the majority of users of this 4 year old laptop, is of no concern.
     
  21. sean473

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    Well , i still think core solo or Core 2 Duo or Corei5/7 CULV is a better option but guess there will always be a market out there for netbooks...
     
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    I'm happy to see a real dual core Atom coming to the market. When I was shopping for a small notebook, it took me almost a week to decide that a Atom wasn't for me. I ended up with a SU2300 that I love.
     
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    Fudzilla says:

     
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    Cnet
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    The "performance of multi core chips" eh? That's sort of simplistic to say, and they take nothing else into consideration except the fact that they're adding another crappy core to the Atom and probably shrinking it a bit more to make it run as cool and as low voltage as the previous generation. Perhaps a dual core Atom will finally surpass the power of my ThinkPad T43's Pentium M 760.
     
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    lol that's what really kills atom for me now.. a pentium M beats it... but let's wait and see..
     
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    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Intel boosts netbooks with dual-core Atom, slims 'em down with 'Canoe Lake'

    Hands On

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    sean473 Notebook Prophet

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    loooks quite good except of the hinges.. why must they have so long hinges? I might just break it :D
     
  29. Mr. Wonderful

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    Because all the hardware is in that little hump, haha.