Few questions about thermal pastes... (maxtor, thermalright...syy)

Hello Masters Of Pasting!

I wonder,

1. Does SYY is basically equal quality and performance to TFX?
2. Does Iceberg Thermal FUZEIce Plus equals to CTG9.... basically renamed Maxtor CTG9?
3. YT Blogger said CTG9 as good or even beats Team Grizlly Krynout, so means, Iceberg is as good as Krynout/

I did pasting of Gelid GC extreme but I am planning in 6 months or so, repaste my ASUS G513QY again both CPU/GPU, and I wonder from SYY/Fuze which one will perform better?

Amazon had good deals so I grabbed both, cant hurt... always can use in future:
https://i.imgur.com/GaAZiNo.png

(The cooling chamber on this laptop isnt very well pressure mounting)

Thank you!

 

Nice find on the SYY 8. Will save it for a later purchase

 

I got sick of pasting and finally switched the laptop to these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BL3SCWH

Temps are fine and no more issues like pump out, dried, or losing effectiveness. I've been using them on my server build for a couple of years now and haven't had any issues with them and decided to add them to the laptop as well.

I've been running them on the laptop for a few weeks now and things are consistent. In performance mode idle temps ~50C CPU / GPU and under full load ~80C CPU / GPU. If I bump down the system to silent mode they drop to about 40C idle / 60C load. On the server rebuild with12700K / air cooler they keep things icy @ 75F / load 100F w/ idles around 5F above ambient.

 

How SYY compared to Thermal FUZEIce Plus? if you know?

And is it true:
1. Does SYY is basically equal quality and performance to TFX?
2. Does Iceberg Thermal FUZEIce Plus equals to CTG9.... basically renamed Maxtor CTG9?

Maybe I can cancel the worst one.... or keep both and use one for CPU and one for GPU (both on same board in my laptop, ASUS G513QY).

 

How temps of this pads compared to high quality/high performance paste?

 

@ RomanQuadra

There's no apples to apples comparison even between identical machines. It's all a bit subjective as no one person uses a device the same way.

There are pros though to using the pads over paste and that's a one and done approach. Not having to deal with it ever again for the life of the device.

I gave you the temps I'm seeing above w/ a 9750H / GTX1650 on the laptop side. I can say the pads are as good or better than the pastes I've used in the past but, I haven't been down the rabbit hole of trying dozens of them for that sub 30C temps @ idle. Be realistic about the situation and aim for consistency vs ice cold / wide fluctuations in temps between tasks. The more stable your temps are the longer the components will last.

 

1. SYY-157 is a tiny bit worse or the same when it comes to the initial performance (in my tests at least). Longevity can be a different story, there are some not so great longevity reports from TFX. SYY-157 is a lot easier to handle (spreading) and cheaper.
2. To my knowledge they are not the same (I have FuzeIce Plus, Maxtor CTG8 and Xynetic CTG8+CTG9 which I believe is a rebranded Maxtor)
3. CTG9 is a thicker paste than Kryonaut, in some cases it can be better. On a notebook I wouldn't use Kryonaut.

 

Dear Rooter,

I actually DMed you and then saw your response here, hence sorry if any of my questions being duplicate and the inconvenience it may have caused to you.

May I ask, in your humble expert opinion, SYY157 / FuzeIce Plus, would offer better results in laptop than the currently used Gelid GC Extreme, if pasted properly?

Secondly, SYY157 / FuzeIce Plus --> in performance/longevity ratio, any assumptions here? I know you might not have had a chance to test too long.

Maybe due to due sizes, you would suggest use one for GPU and other one for CPU...

Thank you!

 

Here is my test between Gelid GC Extreme and SYY-157: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...and-liquid-metal.806840/page-77#post-11120831

SYY-157 is quite a bit better. There are two different Gelid GC Extreme versions and even the better one is worse. Because the Gelid paste is not that thick it struggles, my laptop prefer thicker pastes. I cannot guarentee if it's the same for you though and I don't know if you have the better or worse Gelid GC Extreme, you can only try for yourself.

About SYY-157 and FuzeIce Plus they offer basically the same performance. In most my tests FuzeIce Plus is like 0.5 degrees better in average but this is nothing, both are great. I cannot say anything about longevity.

 

You are incredible, so clearly good enough reasons to move from Gelid,

Next question: About SYY-157 and FuzeIce Plus,

1. If FuzeIce Plus better even by 0.5c than SYY157, perhaps Fuze has other reasons to be used?
maybe die size matters? for instance SYY could be better on smaller die and Fuze larger? or other way around? As ASUS G513QY has RX6800M and Ryzen 5900HX, the one die much smaller than other.

2. If you had to judge from your visual aspects from SYY and Iceberg which one you assume will last longer and handle better to avoid pumpout/push-out situations in laptop? only if you can tell, no stress.

Also, SYY sales support told me this:
"Previously, in order to ensure the thermal conductivity of the product, we used thicker raw materials than other products, but we received some feedback that it was difficult to apply. Now that we have improved the raw materials, it will be easier to apply than before. Our products are stored in vacuum tubes, and a very small part of them will become dry due to the air entering. In any case, you can contact us, we will refund you and reissue new products, you can buy with confidence. Our new formula products have all arrived at the Amazon warehouse, and are delivered by Amazon, cannot decide which one they deliver."

1. I hope new formula is the one I will get.
2. You know if you tried the new formula or the older one?

Thanks!

 

Actually if the new formula of SYY-157 is easier (thinner) it might not perform as good as the original one in a notebook environment, this needs to be checked. If it performs the same and still is easier to
apply this is great, it will help desktop users.

I have the old SYY-157 unless the difference is tiny (my second SYY-157 purchase was a tiny bit more runny). My last SYY-157 is 6 months old or so, I guess the new formula came out later. Amazon might still have both in stock old and new. There is no point for me buying another SYY-157 for now, maybe in a few months when the old stock is gone.

 

Hi,
I asked around for a feedback, one guy actually used both older and newer formula, said, there is no really difference, only new one easier to apply, neither pump out/dry-out. I will ask this guy again to be sure that I understood correctly that both end up same in laptop....

But remember the redditor that mentioned his dried out, I asked him few more questions, he said, when he opened it few weeks after being applied, he found sort of "thermal pad" it was one dry chunk cracking up in some areas leaving bad thermality, he redone again and again had same results, he probably got a bad batch right?

 

@Rooter1234 when you said, that IceBerg Plus was 0.5c better than SYY, maybe it is safer go with IceBerg? can you tell IceBerg has more quality to it?

 

Both are safe imho for a bare die chip and as I said there is no guarantee FuzeIce Plus will perform 0.5 degrees better on your device. If correctly applied they should offer for a very similar performance, both are thick pastes. Sustained performance is a different question of course, no one knows which one is better.

 

So it sounds as going hybrid might be an interesting approach, ice for CPU and SYY for GPU or opposite way around, if going Hybrid, which one would you use for CPU and which one for GPU?

 

If the GPU die is much bigger it could make sense to use the cheaper one for this which is SYY-157 I guess. I would try out both just out of curiosity anyways.

 

--> Thanks for the long response....

TimeSpy + Custom MPT + GT500 Max Speed + AMD Control Panel custom voltage and min/max core speeds:
https://i.imgur.com/ZwM9SEc.png
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/69946070

Washers + Repaste (For gpu larger die I used SYY Iceberg fuzeice Plus for CPU):
Before repasting and washers CPU was going 95-97c even with GT500 Max speed.

Now CPU peaking around 91-91.5c with GT500 and going to its usual 95-96c max without GT500. Which is normal, multiple G513QY units reported on discord having same temps at load, but the IMPORTANT change, that before repasting, with EVEN with GT500 cpu was still kicking 95-97c lol and now its not (timespy/firestrike). In things that push the CPU to the max like CB23, still seeing 95C (as I understand other units with LM does see 95c as well) but now my scores higher, so surely less throttle after repasting+washers mod

When I opened the cooling chamber, Gelid GC Extreme was kinda vaporized, wattery drops on die....so probably not a great fit OR i had a bad Gelid defected......or something... took photos:

https://media.discordapp.net/attach...24/924662401922662410/IMG_20211225_195530.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attach...24/924662433874870272/IMG_20211225_195515.jpg

*** white thing is K5 pro , pretty nice how it kept its form and shape, as "thermal pads". You should NOT use K5 pro if you need more than 1mm though.

Especially on chamber side, you can see it, I touched the Gelid, it really felt like vaporized water.....

Now with SYY and Iceberg Plus, I feel more confident
In future when time comes to repaste again, I can determine which one of the two saved better its form and shape, and use the better one to repaste both dies.

For VRM and VRAM, since this laptop has around 0.5-1.0mm K5 pro is a good fit for me, and since I already had K5 pro on vram and vrm, all I did is recollect K5 Pro and re-apply again + use some extra K5 pro to fill up a bit, as when you recollect you still lose some. P.S. K5 PRO lab officially told me, that K5 pro can be recollected and re-applied.

Timespy BEFORE repasting + GT500 Max + Ryzen Balanced Profile:
https://i.imgur.com/HBLdDDT.png
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/69908254

TimeSpy BEFORE repasting + GT500 Max + ASUS Power Profile:
https://i.imgur.com/Zg7DdnA.png
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/69908465

CB23 BEFORE repasting + GT500 Max + ASUS Power Profile:
https://i.imgur.com/1RZk9OO.png

Photos during repasting work (k5 pro collected and re-applied plus bit of extra new k5 pro drops on it, for vrm and vram):
https://media.discordapp.net/attach...81/924590225060134952/IMG_20211225_220004.png

After repasting:
TimeSpy + Custom MPT + GT500 Max Speed + AMD Control Panel custom voltage and min/max core speeds:
https://i.imgur.com/ZwM9SEc.png
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/69946070

As mentioned in CPU intense like BF2042 I am hitting peaks at 95c but its not sticking there it goes below it for CPU and CB23 sticks to 95c, but thats normal for R9 5900HX laptops in this model. The big issue that before this repaste work, even if I dropped CPU STP to 60's watt zone, even then it would go and stick to 95c in load, and with GT500 max speed, it won't bother go below 95c lol now it does in gaming/3dmark go below 95c.

Generally in games, even in COD Vanguard, CPU does hit 95-96c and floating around 94-96c zone. With GT500 at max speed, CPU below 90c at most cases, while before repasting, even with GT500 would go right away to 95-97c and stay in this range..... Am I seeing my GPU hotspot going 98-99c in 3dmark or games as it did before repasting and washers mod? no, it doesnt occur anymore it can go around 94-95c gpu hotspot zone but not 98-99c as before.

 

Update:

While GPU with SYY157 continue to keep the better temps since repaste,
CPU with FuzeIce Plus, seems to have certain degradation, first day (when repasted),
CB23 with GT500 cooler at max speed, gave me 14K and max CPU temp was around 88c,
day - two later, CB23 with GT500 Cooler max speed, would kick into 95-96c soon as bench starts and score lower too, 13600-13900 range. TimeSpy CPU day one of repasting was maxing around 88-91c today we see 93c with GT500 and 95-96c (its max temp limit as set by ASUS) without GT500.

I wonder, if I should just repaste again and use SYY157 on both CPU and GPU?

Thoughts?

 

Why not, a comparison with SYY-157 is interesting. It does not mean SYY won't degrade though, such a comparison is only valid with the same CPU/GPU and cooling combination. However I have to say that 88C to 95-96C after only two days is a bit odd. Are you sure there is enough paste applied? I would definitely try out SYY-157 for the CPU as well.

 

Hi,

I am pretty sure I placed good amount of Iceberg, I placed on both sides chamber and die. I did same for SYY on GPU, both sides.

I really want try go SYY for CPU, but it means:

A. I will need repaste GPU die again
B. Redo/refill K5 Pro on VRM and VRAM (Lucky I have one more 20 grams pack)

P.S. SYY was twice much harder to apply, since its so thick, you smear it in one area, and it catches itself and moves around, was a hard moment...so gonna be interesting apply SYY again, this time on both dies, but this thickness and viscousness of SYY probably exactly what is gonna make it plumb and stay in place on CPU in its form and hopefully not degrade so fast at all right?

IF SYY wont work on CPU either next thing to try is IC Graphite pad for CPU?

Perhaps, in the weekend I will take enough courage to do it ...again.....

 

Do any of you guys do any gaming or are your rigs just used for wearing out screws on your heatsinks? LM all the way with Nickel Plated heat Sinks.Get with it or Stay Home! Proven a thousand times in a thousand threats that there is little to NO difference in all the WONDER pastes.Throw a lump of doo doo in a tube and give it a fancy name. You keep running stress tests and heating the crap out of your rigs and wonder why you cant cool it down.Whine about ill fitting heatsinks with to much pressure, too little pressure, uneven pressure.Do you realize that those little c clips on the screws, position ON the screws will change the pressure applied to that corner of the die??
Every time you toast those little compression springs you are taking the temper out of them,warping cold plates and heatpipes. Love to sit back and watch puppies chasing their tails! Tee Hee!
15+ years assembling lappys from bare cases and parts, screw by screw. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/long-term-liquid-ultra-results.834821/page-3

 

cb23 single (quick) render test after SYY157 repaste on CPU with GT500 Cooler ON (Without GT500 it goes 95c):
https://i.imgur.com/I9EV7bV.png

—> Hours after repasting.

TimeSpy GT500 ON Ext Display SYY Repasted CPU+GPU Crate: Turbo Mode
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/70274768

HWINFO:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917482170711441518/927219108523671592/unknown.png

Same test BEFORE repasting CPU to SYY157 paste, hwinfo:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917482170711441518/927219353936592916/unknown.png

P.S. GPU hotspot temps better than what it was with stock LM and even with repasted LM. This laptops as someone reported on Reddit not always get the right mounting pressure for LM. Maybe not all units like this but mine seems be one of those.


I am done with repastings.... hope I wont need one for year or so, until it degrades and needs repaste again.... just gonna work and enjoy the laptop!

 

Different mileage I suppose.I restore,rebuild and upgrade lappys for a hobby and spare change for the last 15 years. I just did this afternoon a MSI GT75-8RF 6 core that was runnng at 91 degrees and Red across the board on the HWinfo readout. All cores throttling.Used LT100 LM and the max temps now tracing under any testing are 81 max and 76 maxed out Ultra gaming.I have 4 rigs all LT100 Liquid Metal and all run witin 2-3 degrees of each other under any conditions and none of them EVER thermal throttle.No other mods, just LM and PROPER application of same on Nickel Plated Heatsinks.
I dont understand what im doing wrong???

 

One week later, are temps still good or is it degrading like the FuzeIce Plus?