Forget Arrandale, SB Huron River Platform on the Way

No PM series chipset....traditionally it's the chipset that handles dual GPU configs. Isn't it on the desktop Sandy Bridge chipsets only the P series supports SLI/Crossfire?

 

A Look at SB Graphics

 

If intel really wanted to impress me they would integrate a dual system.

Firstly the board would report to the CPU what power it could hapily deliver, giving the power wall.

Secondly the CPU would then monitor temperatures and would turbo up to that point depending on temperatures.

On a good enough board with good enough cooling both should be able to max turbo.

 

Intel Initiates Mass Production of Sandy Bridge Microprocessors

 

The largest increase in computing performance in their history ? He must be on dope or something. Granted, it's a nice improvement for desktop parts according to early review on anand but it's nothing of a Netburst -> Core leap.

On the other hand here's a thought on notebook parts :

i7-720qm -> i7-2720qm : +15% perf (cautious number) on average at same speed ; and then +37,5% in clock speed -> up 58% in theoretical performance on 4 cores / 8 threads

 

It will be quite a big leap for the mobile CPUs, man, a 2.2Ghz i7-2720qm sounds very nice, it could probably even beat the current i7-920XM/940XM for a modest price of the popular i7-720qm!! Not to mention it will be running cooler than the old i7s too!!

 

no it won't odm will develop crappier cooling to accomodate less heat ....


http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/20203-sandy-bridge-gpu-gets-disabled-with-discrete-gpu

i don,t really get it they are basicaly screwing the switchable graphic

 

That article is for desktop parts, not the mobile. The mobile will still have the switchable graphics.

But on the low end mobile segment the new sandy bridge makes it so that switchable graphics are not needed anymore.

 

Does this mean that the system wont be able to switch between GPU and the IGP? If so, whats the point of having IGP?
And i think you are wrong on the cooling part. SB will for shure be in the upcoming gaming laptops from Asus with twin fans. And all the other laptops with a good GPU would still need a good system fan

 

If they are shipping revenue units in Q4, this must mean that all the laptop manufactorers have their chips now and are working on designing a new laptop with SB right now yes? Which means a new SB laptop will be available right after the official release in the start of january.

Maybe preorders start this year?

 

I would be stupefied if this were the case. Plan on things like Optimus continuing to exist.

 

Yeah i know because what is the point of having a CPU with integrated graphics if the system can`t use it? Optimus is available today and far from every laptop with Nvidia GPU have it, which means it will probably be the case with the new Sandy Bridge laptops too...

 

Man, I am soooo getting a sandy bridge tablet. I can't wait.

 

So when could we expect to see any manufacturer press releases for models with the new hardware? Usually we know several months in advance if something is in the works, now should be prime marketing time!

I spoke with a Best Buy computer rep maybe 2 weeks ago about Sandy Bridge (he didn't know what I was talking about, had to Google it ) and said they probably won't have any on shelves until mid summer.

I'm basically holding out for a 13" Sandy Bridge laptop at this point.

 

The press releases will probably come during the Consumer Electronics Show in early January. The actual laptops should be available within the next month or two.

 

Intel Promises Big Performance With Sandy Bridge

Ivy Bridge ftw!

 

Considering my laptop is on the fritz, I hope it holds out until I can get a nice Sandy Bridge laptop. I'd hate to have to live off my netbook for an extended period!

So all signs pointing to late January for mass production laptops to be for sale?

 

My prediction is that we'll see fewer laptops with discrete GPUs once the SB and Fusion chips hit the market. Most consumers will not need additional graphics capabilities, so I think it will be more expensive and more difficult to buy laptops with discrete GPUs. Which is why I'm starting to feel the heat into buying a system now as opposed to later.

 

So is this one chip here outlined in red (by me)? Wow.

 

Dude Sandy's IGP competes with the lower-end GPUs like ati 5470/nvidia GT 310m etc. It doesn't compare with more mid-range stuff like 5650m / 335m, so exit the crappy entry gpus but there's no reason we won't see mid range graphics anymore, otherwise why did manufacturers even bother to put it in a laptop before ? A crappy GT310m is enough for decoding 1080p & everyday tasks, & cheaper at that. It means demand for mid-range GPUs exists and is differentiated enough that it will survive.

 

inm8#2 post never implies which types of discrete cards, I agree with the statement of fewer discrete laptops will be available as the crappy cards as you pointed out will no longer be needed. This ensures Intel will further penetrate into the lower end graphics market, taking even more market share. The mid and high end markets will not be effected by this yet (I am sure Intel is working on more powerful GPU's for down the road)

 

Your post is confusing but I'll try to explain again. Where did I say we wouldn't see mid range GPUs in laptops anymore? Calm down and reread what I posted before you.

SB's IGP is enough for 95% of mainstream users. The market for medium/high GPU capabilities is a niche market for most manufacturers. Hence my point that finding laptops with these dedicated GPUs will be a little tougher and probably more expensive. Make sense?

With current IGP there is more of a demand for dedicated GPUs. With improved IGP there will be less overall demand for dedicated GPUs, since IGP will meet most users' needs. Yes, there will still be a market for these laptops, but outside of gamers who needs them? This core group will continue to want dedicated GPUs and laptop manufacturers will probably charge more.

 

They will survive, but not for long. Both Ivy Bridge and Llano are going to effectively come with mid-range GPUs. The low end stuff gets replaced in early 2011, the mid-range gets replaced in late 2011 and/or early 2012. That said, for a lot of games, Sandy Bridge is more or less good enough if you just want to play and not bother about maxing out the settings -- you can run something like Dragon Age: Origins on medium and get a decent frame rate.

 

Intel has been making claims for years how IGP will eliminate the need for a dedicated GPU. I don't see it. IGP will always lag behind mid range cards. IGP's have made great strides, but still more than a stone's throw for being competitive or useable for most new games.

 

inm8, i actually think the introduction of SB's igp will lower the cost of mid range gpus in order to compete for market share

 

He did say it would be more difficult / expensive to buy laptops with discrete GPUs (which means mid-end gpus as the entry level is doomed anyway). My point was I see no reason for this to happen since it's not the same market. People who were satisfied with a 5470m will buy a laptop without a nvidia/ati card. People who weren't won't, end of the story imo.

Yep you might be able to play Dragon Age in low/medium according to anand's early review... at 1366*768. Anyone who needs a quality display won't be too impressed with it. Maybe Ivy Bridge will further improve the igp but then again so will discrete GPUs when they switch to 28nm.

 

No USB 3.0 until Ivy Bridge, unless you buy AMD...

 

AMD is not selling it either -- the specs that included it were for a desktop chipset. To be honest, it's not clear whom to believe here: we've seen reports that it will be in Sandy Bridge and other reports that it won't. In any case, native support doesn't really matter that much: even now the option is there, it just requires third party support.

 

One chipset, the Hudson M3, will support USB 3.0 with Fusion.

 

oh, man, this is going to suck big time if it's true. One big plus of sandy bridge is USB 3.0 support, now they are going to exclude it just a few months before the actual release? Well, I guess I will just be forced to use eSATA if this turned out to be true.

 

That does suck.
Although i wouldnt care less about usb3 and external drives( i have esata) , it wouldve been nice to have usb sticks and sd card readers transferring data at usb 3 speeds.

 

Indeed, damn you intel if the new chipset lacks usb 3.0 support. It'll off their partners (notably Apple) and the final consumer.

 

great i read more reason not to upgrade until ivy bridge every day

 

What other negatives have you read?

I remember a while back SATA III being discussed as included with SB. Is this still the case?

 

the thing is, if you wait for ivy bridge, then it'll just be 1 year before haswell will be out

to me, a year of waiting is not worth it for usb 3, especially when there's esata and other ways to use usb 3, such as with an expresscard adapter.how many usb 3 devices would there be available in Q1 2011 anyway? how often do people use usb? the only time i use usb is when i transfer songs / charge my mp3 player

 

There's always third parties chip. More and more laptops already use them. And I second that with this in mind ("then I'd better wait for this, etc"), when Ivy Bridge is released you'll find yourself 1 year from Haswell. Now I don't know how much of an improvement Ivy Bridge will be over Sandy Bridge but if it's that good, it'll most likely be compatible with your SB socket, at least to a certain extent (like Core -> Penryn, Nehalem -> Westmere), so you can always upgrade then.

And yeah, USB3.0 is nice, but not that needed as far as I'm concerned, 1 or 2 ports on my laptop would be plenty enough. The most exciting thing about it to me is ViDock should no longer be bandwidth limited (least not as badly as before).

 

well there are several thing i adrealy ahve a core 2 quad with cfx so my gaming requirement is set for a good time then i need a powe efficient architecture as i hope having more then 5 min of batterie life while having a more powerfull setup then i curently have and if sandy bridge don't bring as much of the curent market inovation as possible then it's not worth it as an upgrade

then why i don't wan to jump on haswell remember intel has 2 devlopement center
one made pentium M, core, sandy/ivy bride the other made netburst, nahlem, and is working on haswell

and the product from the first one seem superior to the second one in efficiency while those form the second are good on brute power

 

We've discovered ATI cards appear to be running half-duplex on x1 1.0 links in http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/418851-diy-vidock-experiences.html . So if Intel/AMD have fixed this on the x1 2.0 SB platform, then it will get four times more bandwidth with current pci-e 2.0 ATI cards. Can read more in the x1E tweak.

 

Yep well, it's true the Israël team behind Sandy & Ivy Bridge developed the almighty core. Right now we know little or nothing about Haswell except it's supposed to bring "revolutionary" power-saving mechanisms, so if you take intel to the letter it should be interesting in the mobile segment.

 

well when we will be closer to both of them i'll give a look to what we know more aboute them but for now it's still quite far

 

Apple doesn't care:

 

Steve Jobs may not care but I doubt Apple customers would be very fond of not having a single USB 3 slot on their macbook for yet another 15 months.

I forgot to mention about Haswell that it's also supposed to bring Fused Multiply-Add instructions.

 

Most Apple customers probably don't even know what USB 3.0 is. Macs aren't aimed at the tech savvy.

 

uh, Steve Jobs is likely the reason we arent getting it.

he wants lightpeak and lightpeak only because as with firewire, he feels its the superior tech. it'll allow him to market macs as superior because of this.

guarantee he's pushing intel around.

 

That's Apple for ya. Marketing, marketing, marketing. Also the reason why we'll never have a universal interface.

 

It could be the fact that Intel chipsets do not have native support for SATA-3 or USB 3.0 yet, and nobody knows why because nobody here has inside intelligence with Intel or Apple.

Or, you know, it could be a giant conspiracy that Steve Jobs is masterminding, as a master plot aimed at a market (laptop computers) that is rapidly becoming a commodity.

Whatever floats your boat.

 

Definately this

 

Steve Jobs be damned, evidence of his machiavelic plot was right before our very eyes and yet we didn't see it coming.

 

Intel's Sandy Bridge Won't Kill Competitors