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    Forget Huron River, 22nm Ivy Bridge on the Way

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Jayayess1190, Oct 1, 2010.

  1. Deks

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    Well, I do think that integrated gpu's are more than capable to compete with discrete cards for example... but capitalist economy dictates you have 1000 versions of the same thing, and price each of them differently (never-mind the premise if the hardware is identical or capable of the same things - disable one or two feature, and charge a premium price tag for those features - that's not innovation or evolution - that's extortion).

    Anyway... I'm not so much interested into the GPU performance as much as the CPU because I would almost always go for the discrete gpu given it's capabilities contrasted to contemporary integrated solutions.

    However, if ULV is going mainstream, and regular cpu's are moving into a different segment/category... I would hate the prices go upwards as a result.
    It's sad really.
     
    Deks, Sep 13, 2011
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    Unfortunately rumors of intel bring down TDP with ivy bridge is not true. There were articles about IB ULV having 12W TDP while Haswell will take it to 7W TDP.
     
    sreesub, Sep 13, 2011
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  3. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    Well if you count the fact that they now have a variable TDP chips, that can raise and lower the specified tdp...


    Sure up to mid range, if you go above that you are killing the TDP of the cpu and the die size

    Actually thats not capitalism, otherwise apple would be what? communist? :eek:

    That is about corporate decisions going against the common sense, that is to milk the consumers in every possible market segment, not giving a crap about the diminishing returns of such strategy
     
    Karamazovmm, Sep 13, 2011
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  4. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Intel Ivy Bridge roadmap: production in Q4 2011, on sale in first half of 2012

     
    Jayayess1190, Sep 13, 2011
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  5. Red Line

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    Is current generation of laptops compatibile with Ivy Bridge CPU's? i have HM65 chipset in here...
     
    Red Line, Sep 14, 2011
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  6. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    n0elia, Sep 14, 2011
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  7. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Jayayess1190, Sep 15, 2011
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    Maybe this has been asked and answered, but will Ivy Bridge chips be backwards compatible on the mobile platform? I read in an article that they will be backwards compatible on desktop chipsets that currently support Sandy Bridge, but not with the mobile chipsets... I'd like some explicit clarification on this as I just recently got a new laptop with a Sandy Bridge chip and I'm always looking for potential upgrades a few years down the line.
     
    Alpha359, Sep 17, 2011
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  9. chimpanzee

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    upgrade CPU on laptop ? I always think that is not a good idea. By the time you do it, lots of thing would be changed and the price to pay for just the CPU(and the effort) usually not worth the trouble.

    better to recommission the machine for something else or give/sell it to someone who don't need the latest and greatest.
     
    chimpanzee, Sep 17, 2011
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  10. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    I hate waiting :)
     
    n0elia, Sep 17, 2011
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  11. Deks

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    That argument doesn't hold ground for people who like upgrading their current laptops for fun or due to other reasons.
    And forgive me, but one can actually upgrade a mobile cpu along with several other components for a relatively low cost.
    It depends on what you want, when you buy it and from whom.
     
    Deks, Sep 17, 2011
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  12. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    That is for people who still cling to conroe and penrym. The others arent so fortunate, and sincerely the cpu change rarely nets a capable result worth the cost (parts, labor, time). So its better to just sell it, give it away and buy a new one, if you arent satisfied with the performance.

    However this discussion aint going anything further from this until it becomes a flame war.

    Here is a good article about ivy bridge, and why I wanted to hold to my laptop for a little more time, but the had to die.
    AnandTech - Intel's Ivy Bridge Architecture Exposed
     
    Karamazovmm, Sep 17, 2011
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  13. Meaker@Sager

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    Yeah because my 7738G had no difference at all going from:

    Q9000 @ 2ghz + GT240M 1GB DDR3

    to

    Q9200 @ 2.93ghz + HD6770M 1GB GDDR5

    Was so not worth it....
     
    Meaker@Sager, Sep 19, 2011
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  14. Nick

    Nick Professor Carnista

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    You can't do that with most laptops. The GPU upgrade I mean.
     
    Nick, Sep 19, 2011
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    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2011
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    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    Karamazovmm, Sep 20, 2011
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  17. Cloudfire

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    lol sorry didn`t see that. Only two posts over mine. *blind* Here is a rep for you for the emotional damage I caused :p
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2011
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  18. Jayayess1190

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    Intel's 22nm Ivy Bridge (Mobile) Processor Exposed, Die Size and Architecture Detailed

    [​IMG]
    (Sandy Bridge on the left, Ivy Bridge on the right)

     
    Jayayess1190, Oct 4, 2011
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  19. Twe Foju

    Twe Foju Notebook Consultant

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    in the next 10 years, 5nm or lesser chip will be invented

    and 10 inch netbook can play Crysis 5
     
    Twe Foju, Oct 4, 2011
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  20. talin

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    Highly unlikely. If anything I would say in 5 years mainstream notebooks will be able to play Crysis 1 on ultra settings, but far be it any netbook within the next 10 years will be able to play Crysis 5, even if there will ever be such a thing.
     
    talin, Oct 4, 2011
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  21. Abula

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    Not sure how reliable the next source is, but seems intel is going to go for late Q2.

    Tick Tock issues push Ivy Bridge to the end of Q2 2012

    Its a shame, seems nvidia might be aiming at march for new gpus, so was ivy bridge, nice time for laptop upgrade.... now delay till June.
     
    Abula, Oct 4, 2011
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  22. Red Line

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    Hey, fellas, acording to this article, the New IB 22nm mobile CPU's should be compatible with the current gen 6-series motherboards through a simple bios update! Both SB and IB shares the same amount of pins and are technically the same) Fingers crossed :)
     
    Red Line, Oct 6, 2011
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  23. talin

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    Yes, however you wont get new features such as native USB 3.0 support.
     
    talin, Oct 6, 2011
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  24. Abula

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    Native USB3 imo not a big deal, Nec/Renesas, ASmedia controllers are doing fine, i get above 100m/s transfer rates from usb3 enclosures/docks. Sata III was a big deal because today SSDs are using (at least on sequential writes) all the speed, but in usb3... at least until ssds are cheap enough to be used as external storage, i dont see the benefit on native intel usb3.

    What i do find attractive of ivy bridge is more cpu power, less heat, and mostly the next gen of mobile gpus, this is what will make me upgrade next year.
     
    Abula, Oct 6, 2011
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  25. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    From IDF: Retina Quality 2560x1600 HD Panels on Ivy Bridge Ultrabooks by VR-Zone.com

     
    Jayayess1190, Oct 15, 2011
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  26. garyfl

    garyfl Notebook Consultant

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    if ivy bridge will fit in current sandy setups then thats great. should extend the life of the m17x r3 / m18 x. bet battery life will go through the roof.
     
    garyfl, Oct 15, 2011
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    Does anyone know if we can expect to see ivy bridge in laptops from e.g. dell before april next year?

    In a way it's good if I's still end of Q2 I guess, makes my decision easier. :p
     
    Dakks, Nov 9, 2011
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  28. Blacky

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    Blacky, Nov 9, 2011
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  29. DEagleson

    DEagleson Gamer extraordinaire

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    Getting 16:10 notebook screens would totally make me upgrade from my current Clevo P170HMx.
    Its the only think i have missed when i retired my old HP Compaq nw8440. D;
     
    DEagleson, Nov 9, 2011
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  30. Blacky

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    I won't believe until I see it...
     
    Blacky, Nov 9, 2011
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  31. Cloudfire

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    Oh boy. Lots of stuff to look forward to. Ivy bridge, new GPUs from Nvidia and AMD, higher res displays and perhaps this 16:10.

    Me likey :)
     
    Cloudfire, Nov 9, 2011
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  32. stege

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    I'm waiting too for the Ivy/kepler combination in my next laptop. Hope to see more power in the same TDP envelope. And yes, a 3000x1680 panel would give a whole new perspective on things :D
     
    stege, Nov 15, 2011
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  33. tilleroftheearth

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    tilleroftheearth, Nov 22, 2011
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  34. Quanger

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    Return of the 16:10.....is that possible?
    I can wait until the end of 2012 or 2013 easily.
    T9900 ftw! Arrandale users should definitely be able to wait as well.
     
    Quanger, Nov 22, 2011
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  35. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    When an i3 380M scores higher (PassMarks) than the T9900 it is time for a platform upgrade.

    Btw, the i3 350M 'platform' was good enough for a little more than just web browsing for me (with an SSD installed). Your demands/needs from your systems must be much lower. ;)

    We can only hope that 16:10 makes a comeback with IB for the majority of notebooks!
     
    tilleroftheearth, Nov 22, 2011
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  36. SlickDude80

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    oh mannnn....looks like more money is going to leave my wallet :D
     
    SlickDude80, Nov 22, 2011
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  37. Quanger

    Quanger Notebook Evangelist

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    My passmark score was 2488 :p
     
    Quanger, Nov 22, 2011
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  38. tilleroftheearth

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    Still in i3 territory - (390M) - and still reason enough to jump to the ~7K PM score range with an i7 2670QM or higher. :)

    All joking aside, if it still works within your expectations, there really is no reason to 'upgrade' platforms - just for the bragging rights.
     
    tilleroftheearth, Nov 22, 2011
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  39. Quanger

    Quanger Notebook Evangelist

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    I was hoping to run the benchmark again just right now but I am beyond my 30day trial period. Tried to uninstall and reinstall but still no go. Oh well.

    i3 390M is really faster than an i5 540m?
     
    Quanger, Nov 22, 2011
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  40. tilleroftheearth

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    tilleroftheearth, Nov 22, 2011
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  41. Star Forge

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    I would seriously be happy of the m17x-R3 can take an Ivy Bridge. However didn't I hear that Ivy on 6-Series chipsets was only limited to certain platforms?
     
    Star Forge, Nov 22, 2011
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  42. Quanger

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    Don't know what you mean by being able to take ivy bridge.
     
    Quanger, Nov 23, 2011
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  43. jclausius

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    There is a typo...

    It should read, "I would seriously be happy if the m17x R3 could take an Ivy Bridge."

    Star Forge would like to put an IVB-m CPU in the AW M17x R3.
     
    jclausius, Nov 23, 2011
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  44. Jayayess1190

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    Launch dates of Ivy Bridge processors

     
    Jayayess1190, Nov 24, 2011
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  45. Cloudfire

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    Crap. 4 months and counting
     
    Cloudfire, Nov 24, 2011
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  46. Star Forge

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    Personally I want the next-gen GPU's to be out on SB platforms before IB comes out.

    /Cheapskate Laptop User
     
    Star Forge, Nov 24, 2011
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  47. Mr. Wonderful

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    No joke. 28nm GPUs and 22nm CPUs... The process shrink for GPUs is so overdue.
     
    Mr. Wonderful, Nov 24, 2011
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  48. Cloudfire

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    I believe 28nm GPUs from Nvidia and AMD is Jan-Feb anyways, so Ivy could have come on March like planned buhuuuu :p
     
    Cloudfire, Nov 24, 2011
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  49. Abula

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    From what have read (just rumors no facts), AMD might come before with lower end gpus, but i doubt we will see new high end gpu from either before march/april, probably mobile maybe may/june.
     
    Abula, Nov 24, 2011
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    awwww. That sucks even more if it happens :(
     
    Cloudfire, Nov 24, 2011
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