Forget Intel Broadwell, Skylake On the Way

Big chunky clevo ftw.

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The Batman is chunky... It's actually thinner then my AW and doesn't have a processor which throttles once it hits 65W power usage lol

 

Worst tock? Uhh... No comment.

But all the other aspects you mention have nothing to do with buying a Skylake chip/platform and comparing it against what has come before if you want to upgrade to the best stability, longevity and productivity as your goal.

If one just needs 'scores' to impress others with, yeah; Skylake offers little right now. But buying a new system, with a modern (last?) O/S (Win10...) vs. buying anything based on the previous platforms is shooting yourself in the foot.

Win10 is built for what Skylake hints and introduces for performance, efficiency and battery life equally (i.e. none will be sacrificed for the benefit of the others).

All previous platforms simply cannot be modified to that approach (they simply lack too much silicon/code and design). And that is why Win10 will let those ancient remnants of 'technology' simply be forgotten in the steady march forward.

If you want to continue judging future platforms with the aspects you list and consider important. You'll be repeating them endlessly with each new release until silicon is finally relegated to 'retired' status in Intel's offerings.

 

tilleroftheearth, aw come on! As of now the only thing Win10 does is compromising one's privacy. Same as you I was eager to see both Skylake and Win10 (especially the latter) which promised a huge step forward - and what did we actually get? A bag full of ferrets disappointment, thrown right into our faces.

 

Of course anybody buying a new machine should buy something Skylake based. What about people sitting on Haswell or Broadwell based machines? Where is the incentive to upgrade? Imo there isn't one.

As for Win10... MS has a ways to go before I'd consider it an acceptable package. They need to rethink how much control they're removing from the user.

 

Do you mean for gaming performance? Or some other sort of CPU intensive applications?

 

Microsoft and EA share the same playbook.
Release software in Beta and let the public fumble all over it finding issues they spend time up rooting up.
Then......
Release a series of updates that address security issues. Release updates that address more security issues. Then wipe hands clean saying its free.
A different story but same plot of customer distaste.
EA smarter but similarly. Make us pay for games that only run on ridculously expensive machines Then make you pay for additional content just to stay current with your team/friends.

Both these companies have been feeding off my addiction to play games with my friends online.
As do hardware manufacturers.

Summary.
Windows 10 will work on the latest and greatest machines as will new titles from EA.
If you have older machines my advise (consumer level only) if you have an older rig, stick with software that was developed for that platform.

 

It is not disappointing to my workflows.

Learn the advantages and disadvantages and use one and work around the other...

I will not post my detailed setup of Win10, but I do not feel any less secure than when I was running Vista...

As I've mentioned before, even from Broadwell could be a worthwhile upgrade depending on the workflow. Gaming is not a workflow that benefits... because the game 'engines' are what are holding games back. Not the newest hardware.

As for your last comment, how is it okay for the fruity company to do these things to the extreme...???

With your summary, I expect you to fall off the face of the tech world in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

Software is released when it provides the stability and enough of the features that warrant it's release (or at least that is what the authors hope for).

Security updates are necessary because once that software is out in the wild; others will try to use it to their advantage. And if it isn't released into the wild; no one will use it.

The gaming model you describe? I don't have the words for that kind of insanity.

But you're close with your description that it is an addiction...

The model we have now for software and security updates on everything is the ideal right now and into the future as far as I can see.

I do not want to be caged off in a fruity garden. I do want the choice to make bad mistakes (or not). I want the latest tech (hardware and software) available to me as soon as possible (I was using Win10 for almost a year before it was 'official' - and I'm glad I had that opportunity).

It is easy to wish for things to stay the same as what we were used to.

It is infinitely better to simply keep learning and keep up with the times.

 

My replies have always been about perspective. Just in case it wasn't obvious, I did agree with your posts.

IIRC that 4GHz was for the 4700MQ, the 2.09GHz was for the 6700HQ passmark CPU score and the only baseline at the time. Probably can use ratio's to calculate for higher clocks.

Neither bad nor amazing. If instead it were run at 4GHz or more then it might be something to talk about.

 

Hi guys, it is unclear to me, if I buy a laptop with i5-6200U Skylake CPU, than to the same memory slots I can plug either DDR4 2133MHz or DDR3L 1666MHz modules? What if I'd like to plug DDR3 2133MHz modules?

 

DDR3 is 204 pin, DDR4 is 260 pin, so they will not be a straight swap. As I understand it, there will be a 260 pin "UniDimm" module that can be fit with either DDR3 or DDR4 RAM, but you would have to buy the UniDimm DDR3 modules and not the traditional DDR3 204-pin So-DIMM modules.

What I don't know is if UniDimm slots will accomodate traditional 260-pin DDR4 modules or if it has to be UniDimm. We'll have to see if any OEM's jump on this UniDimm bandwagon but at this point in time I don't see where it's readily available to purchase, at least from a consumer standpoint.

 

I hope it catches on but probably won't... Cost is one issue and what incentive do OEM's have to use it? Zero tbh... I'm quite sure that quite a few Skylake systems use DDR3 and will continue doing so due to cost... Moving to DDR4 will probablly fully happen in a Skylake successor...

 

Well, thanks for that update HT, the fact is I would not like to buy new memory modules, I just 'd like to have a Skylake with my existing 2133MHz DDR3 modules... If these new laptops coming with DDR4 or any special slots but not DDR3, I'll stick with Broadwell.

 

Yeah. I think this is to satiate the needs of corporate users who will buy DDR3 up front because it's cheaper and add DDR4 down the road. Unfortunately with shifts in technology usually you're left in the cold with the new tech when the new is introduced.

 

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The Skylake-equipped Yoga 900 has been leaked. 16GB of LPDDR3, monster 66Wh battery (but Lenovo is still targeting 9 hours of video playback @ 225 nits), QHD+ screen (no 1080p or 1440p option), type-C USB (looks to be USB 3.0/USB 3.1 gen 1)--usable as DisplayPort, 2 fans (supposedly "quiet"; they exhaust at the hinge), watchband hinge from the Yoga 3 Pro returns but more subdued, and a few other details.

 

There are actually three USB type-A ports as well as one USB type-C port on the Yoga 900, from the pictures (though one of the type As doubles as charging, so more like 2.5 type A ports). That's a much better configuration than only type-C IMO, given the large number of type-A devices.

And oh the days of 66WHr being "monster". Just got a new 86 WHr battery for my old laptop, and have a similarly-powered 9-cell battery on my new laptop. Back in the day, 55 WHr was "normal", 85/90 was "large", and 66 WHr would've been slightly-above-average. Nowadays most laptops are too thin for an 85 WHr battery and you probably wouldn't find one on anything but a workstation, but with the increased power efficiency of parts today you could probably get impressive battery life if you combined such a battery with a 15.6 or 17 inch chassis and a Skylake-U or 15W Carrizzo CPU, even with the generous screen size. Given the chassis and need for a super-flexible hinge, however, 66 WHr is probably a sensible upper bound for the Yoga; from the pics it's taking up a good chunk of the interior.

Overall a nice, flexible laptop. The specs do omit what the screen size is (or if they say, I've missed it), and there are things to nitpick like the 720p 30 FPS webcam, but overall pretty nice. They're definitely targeting it as a premium machine with the high-res panel and only SSDs. One question would be how serviceable the battery would be; given the pictures I'd guess "replaceable, but not easily replaceable while traveling", which would be acceptable for me, particularly since the 9 hour life would decrease the need for swapping it in-use. If it's not replaceable though, that's a more serious issue since it would limit the useful life of the laptop over the long term to 3-4 years.