Forget Intel Haswell, Broadwell on the Way

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• 14nm, release in 2014
• Under 15W TDP ULV's in Dual Core's
• 35/55W TDP for Quad Core's

 

I'm not so sure we'll see 22nm in 2012; maybe at the end. Also, do they plan to continue to produce the Core 2 until Sandy Bridge comes out?

 

Probably. Intel is probably going to introduce Sandy Bridge at CES like it did with Arrandale, and there are new Core 2 Duo culv's coming this summer, so...

 

I guess i'll be looking forward to 2013. ......Rockwell FTW!

 

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Will we be seeing one in 2015?

 

Where in that timeline does Intel finally merge the southbridge with the processor package, to give us a truly SoC design?

 

@Jayayess1190: Hmmm, it seems like you've updated your signature's dream laptop accordingly

 

Next year with Sandy Bridge.

Of course. I will be getting the new Arrandale powered Acer 1830t, so that means I can wait an extra year or so before I upgrade again.

 

Awesome.

 

No it doesn't.

What do you think the 6 series chipsets are for? Fashion?

The southbridge functions are usually hard to scale in frequency and not performance critical to integrate onto the CPU, so it won't happen in the near future.

Rockwell sounds merely a shrink so not exciting as Haswell. Kinda disappointed Larrabee isn't there for a true Heterogenous computing era to come.

 

Upgrading every year is the only way to fly

 

I don't have the money to do that. And I like skipping a few generations, makes the new machine even better.

 

Well, once I get an arrandale system, I'll be set until SoC (whenever that will be ).

 

i'd be a little careful... it is after all Semi Accurate.

 

Any more news on Rockwell? Before this thread fades into oblivion for good.

 

My Sandy Bridge thread has fallen into oblivion multiple times. Each time an update came I resurrected the thread. The same will happen with this one.

 

Except that this one is talking about something that probably won't be hitting the market for about three years and therefore is far from getting new info.

 

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Bump and question.

As I understand it, Intel's releases are based on a Tick-Tock principle where

So does that mean that if I bought a notebook in 2 years or so with Haswell micro-architecture and a 22nm cpu, I can later upgrade my notebook to a 16nm Rockwell cpu?

On wiki, they list Haswell as micro-architecture (and 22nm) and Rockwell as 'shrink/derivative' (and 16nm).

I ask since I bought my M17 early 2009 and considering I bought it since OCZ Whitebook was touted as being so upgradeable, I later found I couldn't really upgrade much apart from the ram. The gpu is out since ATI made the upgrades (to 3870) in limited quantities for Alienware (i.e. the 4570?) and my quadcore extreme cpu was quickly replaced by the i-cores which don't fit on my mb.

On the otherhand, my QX9300 has served me quite well and is good for overclocking, hence why it will suffice for 2 years or more still. I'm more worried about the GPU and gaming ability over the next few years.

The last ATI mobility 4570 I saw for sale was around £800!

 

Not necessarily. During the shift from Core 2 > Core i7 > Sandy Bridge, there were three different socket generations, for three different architecture generations.

The only thing you can do is wait and see.

Also, old thread is old.

 

Rockwell isn't a new arch, it's a die shrink. Like Westmere was to Nehalem or Ivy Bridge will be to Sandy Bridge. Ofc it doesn't equal compatibility, it makes it more likely. Whatever, it's still far away in the future. We know almost nothing about the Haswell architecture atm so forget Rockwell and focus on the present.

 

First gen mobile core-i would have been two generations sharing the same socket had not 45nm Auburndale dual-core and 32nm Westmere mobile quad-core been canceled.

 

I will continue to bump this thread when new info on Rockwell appears.

 

Thanks for the posts. The reason it is of interest to me is because due to circumstances, I find it easier to get a system I can upgrade over a couple of years and still allow it to be good enough for mild gaming (mainly strategy games) for about 2 subsequent architecture generations.

Of course, if Rockwell cpus are compatible with Haswell based mobo, the best bet would be to save up towards getting a nice Haswell system when Rockwell is released (assuming a Haswell price drop) knowing I can upgrade to a Rockwell cpu over the next couple of years.

One of the issues with notebooks is that they cost like 3 times more than a similar spec'd desktop (especially a DIY one) and you're pretty much stuck with the architecture since switching over the mobo is highly unrealistic.

However.....notebooks FTW!

I usually do end up keeping each notebook for around 4-5 years spending some money on upgrades and saving up in the meantime.

I know it's an old thread but it's not like the info is outdated! If anything, being futuristic, it's more current than current news...if that makes sense.

 

I will continue to read this thread, as its bumped, when new info on Rockwell appears.


(though I will secretly be planning for the purchase of a Trinity notebook)

 

I'm waiting for the BlueBucket chipset, 2031

 

By the time I upgrade again I'll be buying rockwell or higher haha

 

what the heck is a bluebucket chipset alex?

 

.. wish i had money to upgrade every year but i'm stuck with my G73 till i graduate from uni...

lol you mean blue bucket quantum chipset? .. really speaking wouldn't be suprised to see quantum computers standard by than.

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Couldn't find a Haswell thread, so I'll have to ask here: what does the Nvidia deal mean for the Haswell/Rockwell IGP? Keep in mind that Haswell might still get a Larrabee-based graphics core, but now Intel can ship them with confidence that they won't step on any patents.

I am personally really excited to see this ship, since many knowledgeable tech sources have predicted that starting from 2013 we'll start seeing real GPGPU computing start to take off; by 2015 we might even see lower midrange graphical poweress be embedded into the CPU die itself.

Also with Intel planning to beef up their IGP so much what is the state of their support for hybrid graphics? This is an important question because AMD and Nvidia are also stepping up their game in power management, especially in the last 2-3 years.

 

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By the time I buy a computer (2015-2016) Rockwell will be out... I don't know where they'll go after 16nm. More instruction sets or something I suppose.

 

Isn't SB 2011 coming out late this year as well ? Ivy bridge will be out next year most probably to avoid overlapping.

Also the new fab will be for NAND, not processors right ?

 

You mean LGA 2011? I was under the impression that LGA 2011 was supposed to release about the same time as Ivy Bridge did. They're talking about using the 22 nm process as well as the 14 nm process, and 22 nm sounds more like CPUs (Ivy Bridge) than NAND (25 nm). Not saying that it couldn't possibly produce NAND, but the only number they've tossed out that directly matches anything (since 14 nm doesn't match anything currently... Rockwell is supposed to be 16 nm) is 22 nm.

 

Rockwell is actually "Broadwell".

 

Ivy Bridge is set for H1 2012 not 2011. Haswell shouldn't be there before 2013 either imo.

 

It depends on how well AMD does. I am almost certain that Intel can release Ivy Bridge in Q4 2011 if they so desired, but they have no incentive to mess with their yearly release schedule (i.e. it will be out at CES again, in the first days of 2012). However, if AMD presents a semi-credible threat to them with Llano and/or Bulldozer, it is possible that Ivy Bridge will come out earlier.

 

I wouldn't bet on it. Doubt intel would announce Ivy Bridge for H1 2012 (not Q1) if 22nm was ready for an anticipated launch late 2011.

 

If that's the case I am rooting for AMD to present a semi-credible if not more with Llano/and or Bulldozer, because that could possibly??? mean a Ivy-Bridge notebook with 4 USB 3.0 ports and 1 or 2 Thunderbolt ports. I know that's asking for a lot of luck

 

They've had these chips in production since last September. I am not sure where you are getting H1 2011 -- I would guess that such claims originate from this roadmap, but all that's saying is that the current plan is to release Ivy Bridge at CES 2012 (note that there is no mainstream Sandy Bridge in H1). Also, this is not just my speculation; there are rumors on some fairly reputable hardware sites that this is what Intel is contemplating.

EDIT: This is not to say that I would bet on it -- it doesn't seem particularly likely to me. However, it's not impossible.

 

You guessed right for the roadmap.

Well all kind of speculation is possible. Good for us if Ivy Bridge comes sooner than expected, but it's not even guaranteed that mobile CPUs would benefit from it. After all intel doesn't face much competition here, llano will have a vastly better iGP but won't compare in computing power so for now idk if it represents a threat serious enough or not.

 

I'm sure mobile computers will benefit from IB. It's a dye shrink, if anyone's gonna see improvement it's mobile.

 

IF IB is when quad core will finally replace dual core, then I'm looking forward to a 4C/8T Core i3 3310m in an ultraportable

 

I won't be buying until at least Rockwell (or whatever it's called now?) and probably not for a year after that. I like to upgrade every 5-6 years with a whole new computer.

So... hard to say what we'll even see that long from now.

 

There's no denying that, I wasn't being clear enough - what I meant was if Ivy Bridge is moved forward on the roadmap (like Q4 2011) it might only concern desktops CPUs.

 

I'm expecting huge gains in battery life and new, incredibly small form factors as the result of 22nm CPUs and finally 28nm GPUs. It's going to be crazy.

 

I think by the time broadwell (new rockwell name, right?) rolls around we'll be seeing huge battery life improvements.

That'll be 2014... and I'll be buying in... 2015-16.

Honestly, battery improvements are going to be pretty crazy.

 

Yup, Ivy Bridge will be hot.

 

own noes my c2q will fall behind wha the mainstream will offer by then