Forget Intel Haswell, Broadwell on the Way

I can't wait for my sig to become reality.

 

The Future of Intel CPU Architectures Revealed: Haswell, Skylake - Bright Side Of News*

 

Seeing this really puts things in perspective! I feel no need to upgrade until we're at 14nm

 

Apparently Rockwell was right! Apparently a lot of people on NR are watching him - Rockwell - Somebody's Watching Me - YouTube

Yes, this is a joke!

 

Intel's Pat Bliemer - 14nm running in the lab

 

It seems like most people like buying on the new architecture releases, as opposed to the die shrinks?

I've always been the opposite.. I generally buy one generation older to save costs, so I buy the recent gen's die shrink when the current gen's new architecture is release. I figure by the time the new architecture comes, you get the full potential/benefits of the die shrunk older architecture, at a low price and all the kinks have been worked out.. where as with early adopting the new architecture.. you could be in for a rough ride.

Anyone else the same or am I in the minority here?

I'm interested in broadwell because I'll probably replace my T400s in late 2015 or early 2016, and by then hopefully broadwell will be in production, wide spread, and cheap due to the soon-to-be-arriving Skylake.

Anyone else prefer buying on the most previous tock instead of the current tick?

 

nice.

I have another tactic as well: when I go to buy, I buy the best that doesnt look "over-the-wall" type of purchase, and then use it for as long as possible before go and buy again. This usually helps me jump over some 2 or 3 generations I will upgrade different components in the mean time though.

 

Yeah I do the same thing when it comes to my desktops, mostly because I want those to be a bit more cutting edge since they're usually for gaming. I too will buy the best products I can that are priced a level/tier below the bleeding edge and brand new price points, and I'll hold on to it for 5 years or until it doesn't cut it anymore, which ever is shorter.

 

I would be perfectly happy buying older technology if it came with a steep discount, but I've never had the opportunity to:

1) The vast majority of the off-the-shelf laptops out there do not suit my needs. In most cases they're lacking somewhere or other - usually it's the screen.
2) I've never seen clearance discounts on customized laptops.

 

Get outlet machines. Been doing it for a while for Dell Latitude/Vostro machines. Outlet new and outlet refurbished are 99.9% identical to brand new systems and they have a very nice discount usually. Lenovo is the same. Can't say I've ever looked for a refurb HP.

 

Yeah I should mention my laptop is an outlet refurb. That strategy works well with the outlets, otherwise your right the clearance sales are generally discounted, but (usually) not enough to justify not getting the newer tech for whatever the price difference is. The outlet definitely opens up a lot of options though, especially at certain times of the year. Also if you can find laptops coming off warranty from businesses, those usually sell in batches locally or online and I've had great luck with those as well.

 

Forget Broadwell , wait another three or four years and you'll have something even better!

Meaning of the message: There will always be something better than Haswell or Broadwell or Ivy Bridge. You just need to stop nitpicking and purchase what you need.

 

There's nothing wrong with interest in what's on the way, especially if you expect to buy around that time. And Haswell/Broadwell is far off enough (at the least 15/27 months) that I don't think people interested in buying now or soon will be considering holding off for it. They're more liable to be on the fence between a purchase now and Ivy Bridge.

Something I find interesting for Haswell/Broadwell, in the movement to SOC, the voltage regulator is going to be moved on chip. And I'm sure there will be tons of power efficiency enhancements (like the tri gate transistors in ivy) but I think a cool new feature will be power gating the ram to save even more power at idle.

 

Intel migrates to desktop Multi-Chip Modules (MCMs) with 14nm Broadwell

 

so after Broadwell, we are all doomed ?! seems like it according to Intel calender

 

Oh, that's when the whole Terminator scenario starts. We humans won't like computers anymore.

 

No more doomed than we are with mobile SoC's like Snapdragon, Tegra or Exynos. AMD will undoubtedly get in on this market early, since they haven't specifically stated they wouldn't do ARM references.

 

how many atoms can fit in 14nm?

Answer that and search for noise issues, after that watch this

 

So if the mayan calender isn't right, and the zombie apocalype doesn't come, we get to look forward to terminators? Great, and they'll probably be powered by some Intel neuro-SoC or something.

 

2013 22nm Intel Haswell
2014 14nm Intel Broadwell
2015 14nm Intel Skylake
2016 10nm Intel Skymont

 

ummm intel CEO says moore's law is good for another 5 years.... then after 5 years intel will have their new CPU built on a new type of mineral. It is currently in their R&D department under heavy secrecy. I am sure we will keep moore's law even after intel makes their new CPU

Also how old is this video?...seems really old.

I personally hope i can stand using my 720QM and wait til broadwell but i question if my laptop will last and i will bare using it that long.

 

Honestly the very first i core series is more than enough for me (namely i7 720qm). just despite its heat

 

2017 Skynet

 

Hm. So I'm guessing with the 32nm Motherboard nodes, motherboards will be getting significantly smaller (again) with Haswell? That's crazy.

 

I just noticed this:

What???

Guess I'm not getting mobile Haswell, then.

 

You misunderstand. Even if Fudzilla is correct (and note that they're contracting the roadmap diagram which doesn't introduce MCP until the 14nm node), all it means is that Intel will only be introducing MCP with Haswell in a very limited fashion. It doesn't mean that they're abandoning quad-core laptops with Haswell, just that Haswell quad-cores won't use MCP.

 

Intel Delays 14nm Process by Six Months in Ireland

 

Hmm...business move in response to AMD delays?

 

Very likely, why hurry when you've got all the time in the world?

 

it was written all over that intel would launch haswell at the same time that they did for ivy

its a matter of economics really, the oems are their partners and with the pc sales going down and the loss of profits for intel the more time that the old stock stays at the counter the better

 

80% of Broadwell cpu's to have 15W or lower TDP?

Your mobile choice will basically be a dual core ULV with less than 15W or a 35-55W quad core.

 

btw intel released a statement i read in wikipedia saying the rumor of all BGA chips is false. I assume where the rumor went astray was with ULV and mobile chips. I can easily see intel only making BGA chips for ulv and other lower powered stuff. I doubt they will ever make BGA desktop parts only and i doubt they would stop making high powered socketed laptop chips since the large notebook market is quite large. Plus would add a huge cost overall...since we all know ASUS sucks at making laptop motherboards and dell even has issued with them.

 

What is going on with mobile Broadwell? 2014 desktop roadmap does not show any Broadwell APUs, does this affect the mobile versions release in 2014?

 

Haswell refresh is really Broadwell right? It's the tick (die shrink) to Haswell's tock (new architecture).

 

correct just have not really heard much info on it at all. Wikipedia has been updated fairly recently with some new info.

 

Seems like Broadwell won't come anytime soon. Kaveri may have its glory moment after all.

 

Haswell refresh is Haswell Refreshed.

Broadwell is coming to Laptops.

 

Well usually with Intel CPU's the Tick is referred to as the Tock refreshed. In the same way that Ivy Bridge is just Sandy Bridge microarchitecture shrink, so Ivy Bridge is really just a Sandy Bridge refresh.

 

Wouldn't a refresh be more like Trinity -> Richland? Same 32nm, same Piledriver arch, except for power consumption and temp monitoring tweaks?

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except that with intel it comes with a die shrink and other tweaks

for example on broadwell comes the new arch in igpu, and probably ddr4

 

No, in this case "Haswell Refreshed" means just that. It's the same Haswell core on the 22nm process.

Mobiles are of course a different story.

 

Report: Intel Delays 14 nm Broadwell, Schedules Haswell Refresh for 2014

This kind of talks about mobile, but I'm still not sure if mobile Broadwell is being delayed. I doubt so as this says:

 

i would probably agree with thr second statement

 

when are we actually getting haswell ULT in laptops..in store

my best buy (canada) still advertising ivy bridge..

im not even sure MBA is available...announced but shipping dates vary

 

mba is available and can be purchased already on site.

 

Sucks for power users but true. AMD and intel are both heavily focused on enterprise cloud market and mobile space. Home desktop will probably eventually become a subset of the mobile market, which is kind of what is happening with haswell already. Alienware has the 4930MX chip overclcoked to 4.3mhz or something like that. Im sure a laptop cooler and some tweaking will get it up to 4.6ghz. Which is more or less what a desktop 4770k can do. I dont think it costs more for intel to make the 4930mx, so they can just mass produce the thing on a desktop socket, give it some more TDP and have it out the door.

all the gamer's screaming anything above 4 cores are a waste of money isn't helping either. People who use powerful CPU intensive apps are very rare. These people can either afford the 15 core server chips or have found other ways to do their computing, like cloud render farms.

 

Broadwell is coming in 2H of 2014:

 

And that is when I will upgrade my MacBook Pro from Sandy.

 

yea i am too buying an ultrabook on the die shrink. My SB netbook is getting slow but i plan on waiting for the die shrink since they seem to last the longest. I am particularly interested in the iris CPU version in broadwell I wonder if they will be upping the bandwidth in the cache....i forget the name of it now

 

Atoms are measured in nanometers... what could they do with femto technology?