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    Forget Intel Ivy Bridge, Haswell on the way

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Jayayess1190, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. Hungry Man

    Hungry Man Notebook Virtuoso

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    The jump between horses and cars... is a bit more than the jump between cpu architectures.

    A more accurate metaphor would be engines, which are backwards compatible sometimes.

    Intel has no need to make things backwards compatible -- they make more money when they don't.
     
    Hungry Man, Jun 27, 2011
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  2. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    First off; Intel profits whether or not things are backwards compatible.

    Secondly; you have no idea about engines either. lol... ;)
     
    tilleroftheearth, Jun 27, 2011
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    You can go through life never being happy with what's available and what you can have/afford. There will always be better processors/motherboards/RAM/drives/desktops/laptops/netbooks/wives/cars/homes/jobs/tv's/games etc.

    It's pointless getting sucked in. Luckily with age most of us realise that the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side at all times and that with more there always comes a cost.

    From a power use to performance ratio though newer processor technologies are always welcome. For as long as there's money they'll be innovation.
     
    LaptopUser247, Jun 29, 2011
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  4. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Think Intel Is Old Tech? You’re Wrong

     
    Jayayess1190, Jun 29, 2011
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    ctown.myth, Jun 29, 2011
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  6. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Intel paying handsomely to attract downstream vendors into launching Ultrabooks

     
    Jayayess1190, Jul 4, 2011
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  7. sreesub

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    7w cpu having decent integrated gfx plus as good a cpu performance(or better) as SB 17W CPUs would be awesome. Plus since those would be SOC, we will sub 2 lbs ultrabooks or 15hour+ battery with MB Air form factor.

    I like the new direction of CPU architecture.
     
    sreesub, Jul 5, 2011
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  8. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Intel 2013 Haswell Processor to finally get DirectX 11.1

     
    Jayayess1190, Aug 2, 2011
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    What I don't like about Forbes magazine's predictions is that even Macbook Pros will eliminate discrete cards and go to Intel only.

    Is Intel going to pick up their game or not? The HD 3000 is still, relatively, a crap graphics chip. If we are to go to integrated only then we are going to have to see an IGP that is actually decent.
     
    jaguare3, Aug 7, 2011
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  10. ctown.myth

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    According to the link, IVB graphics is a new chip, which Haswell improves upon.

    Obviously it's not a promise, but it holds some hope.
     
    ctown.myth, Aug 7, 2011
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  11. Hungry Man

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    Same direction it's been going for years.
     
    Hungry Man, Aug 7, 2011
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  12. Mr. Wonderful

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    I thought Ivy Bridge graphics are just a small improvement on Sandy Bridge's?

    The article has the right of it, though. Even two years+ away, Haswell's graphics are already behind.
     
    Mr. Wonderful, Aug 8, 2011
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  13. ctown.myth

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    I did not expect IVB to get major graphics improvements either. Something must've changed, or the wrong vibe has been coming from Intel the past months.
     
    ctown.myth, Aug 8, 2011
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  14. CoreEye5

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    I'm annoyed that Intel is withholding native USB 3.0 support for mobile chipsets until mid/late next year.

    I assume it's because of the chipsets that mid-to low-end notebooks have either Bluetooth or USB 3.0 ports, but never both. I could be way off base, but I suspect this happens because the mid-range machines only have two mini-PCI Express slots. One is used for the WiFi NIC. The other is occupied with either a USB 3.0 adapter or a Bluetooth module. So you don't get both. But there are plenty of lousy USB 2.0 ports to go around.
     
    CoreEye5, Aug 8, 2011
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  15. jaguare3

    jaguare3 Notebook Geek

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    As far as I know it's going to be a 30% improvement. Which, in the grand scheme of things, is pretty worthless.

    We need to see at least 200% improvement.


    @CoreEye5 - if that was true, then how does my laptop have both Bluetooth and USB 3.0?
     
    jaguare3, Aug 8, 2011
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  16. Abula

    Abula Puro Chapin

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    I think intel been upfront about this, some believe its because of their lightspeak/thunderbolt, but they did say sandy bridge will not have native usb3 support from the beginig, most of us expect Ivy bridge to come with it, but now there is even rumors that ivy bridge might not support usb3 native.... i guess will see in march.

    Even if they could give that much now, they wouldn't, why would they??? they can milk you down to 30% for years, and we all will continue buying. Its not about what they can do, its what the least they can do to keep their market buying their products at the rate they want.

    All current USB3 is done thru 3rd party, at least on intel, even intel desktop mobos come with Renesas/NEC USB3 controllers, personally i dont mind that much, the controllers seems pretty good in my experience, both desktops n laptops.
     
    Abula, Aug 8, 2011
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  17. CoreEye5

    CoreEye5 Notebook Geek

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    It is true; none of the current Core i-series mobile chipsets have USB 3.0 "baked in."

    You can have USB 3.0 and Bluetooth by means of add-on devices. Nothing stopping the mfg. from doing that other than cost. Which I'm guessing is why you don't often see both Bluetooth and USB 3.0 on current mid- to low-price laptops
     
    CoreEye5, Aug 8, 2011
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  18. Jayayess1190

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    Intel Developers Forum 2011: Haswell CPUs promise 20x power saving

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    via Gizmodo
     
    Jayayess1190, Sep 13, 2011
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  19. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    AnandTech - First Shot of Haswell, Working Demo at IDF

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    Jayayess1190, Sep 14, 2011
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    chenavd Notebook Enthusiast

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    chenavd, Sep 14, 2011
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  21. Deks

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    That 10 days battery life is for systems on standby... not actual use.
    :D

    Besides, cpu's don't consume much power at all.
    Screens are the biggest power suckers (regardless of the LED tech) actually when it comes to active use.

    And, just because 1 component in the entire system is power efficient, doesn't mean others will be.
    It also depends on manufacturers.
     
    Deks, Sep 15, 2011
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  22. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Intel Haswell Info: Single Chip for Ultrabooks, GT3 GPU for Mobile, LGA-1150 for Desktop via VR-Zone

    [​IMG]

     
    Jayayess1190, Nov 9, 2011
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  23. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    Interesting how they are literally moving everything to the CPU.
     
    Tsunade_Hime, Nov 10, 2011
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  24. talin

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    It's been a long time coming, but it's still not an SoC. Yet. ;)
     
    talin, Nov 10, 2011
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  25. ickibar123

    ickibar123 Notebook Consultant

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    Well, if you have a powerful video card and it doesn't clock down + undervolt when idle, then it may very well consume more power than the screen. But otherwise yeah the screen is #1. My CCFL screen on my laptop takes about 10 watts at full brightness at the wall.
     
    ickibar123, Nov 10, 2011
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  26. ickibar123

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    No 6-core mobile chips? That sucks.
     
    ickibar123, Nov 10, 2011
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  27. 3Fees

    3Fees Notebook Deity

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    Moving processes to the CPU is nothing new--the original main frame processors were all in one. I would go into more detail--however-I need some liquid refreshment.I'm back--what I want for Christmas is a "Super Computer" in my Lenovo/IBM laptop,,hahahahahahahahahahahahha.


    Cheers
    3Fees :)
     
    3Fees, Nov 10, 2011
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  28. Mr. Wonderful

    Mr. Wonderful Notebook Evangelist

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    I wonder if there's going to be diminishing returns for CPU cores? I could really see a quad core machine with a decent GPU used for extremely paralleled tasks not showing noticeable signs of aging forever.
     
    Mr. Wonderful, Nov 10, 2011
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  29. ickibar123

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    Oh yeah definitely there are diminishing returns in what the user will see. It's still really good for the applications that can utilize as many cores as it can get it's hands on. Compression programs (7-zip) (Oh wait most of it's algorithms can only go to 2 cores), video encoding, new video games and other simulation/engineering software, Distributed computing, virtual machines.

    But the ordinary solitaire playing computer user would probably see no use for more than 4 cores!
     
    ickibar123, Nov 11, 2011
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  30. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I'm wondering when the Intel GPU will get 10-bit display support, so we can have switchable graphics with high end displays... Ivy Bridge? Haswell?
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 11, 2011
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  31. FastRedPonyCar

    FastRedPonyCar Notebook Guru

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    Damn seeing this stuff makes me feel like my desktop is an old man.... still fast as hell though.

    i7-920 bloomfield @ 4.0ghz

    surprised that I've had it now for over 2 years and have no desire to upgrade really.
     
    FastRedPonyCar, Nov 25, 2011
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  32. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Processor Whispers: About Haskell and Haswell

     
    Jayayess1190, Dec 6, 2011
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    So can we Forget Intel Haswell, Broadwell on the way?
     
    seiyafan, Dec 6, 2011
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    Jayayess1190, Dec 6, 2011
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  35. Jayayess1190

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    Intel's first Haswell chip pictured | bit-tech.net (Desktop)

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    Jayayess1190, Jan 30, 2012
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    Dufus, Jan 30, 2012
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  37. Kallogan

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    If this tock is as significant as Sandy bridge one, this will be a hell of a tock.
     
    Kallogan, Jan 31, 2012
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  38. trvelbug

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    I don't think I've ever used avx in my quads. In what situations would these new set of instructions be of help?

    Sent from my samsung galaxy s2 using tapatalk

    Sent from my samsung galaxy s2 using tapatalk
     
    trvelbug, Feb 1, 2012
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  39. Jayayess1190

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    There are very few applications that currently support AVX, but AMD also supports it so maybe in the future more apps will be built to include it.
     
    Jayayess1190, Feb 1, 2012
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  40. Dufus

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    IIRC when SSE was first introduced it took something like 5 years before being widely used by software.

    You might find the the first adopters will be number crunching softwares but even then with software such as prime95 AVX is still very much work in progress, not finalized yet, even though AVX instructions have been available for over a year now.

    I guess most software houses are going to write software that will run on the majority of processors/systems and there are still a lot of older processors out there that do not support AVX. Even Windows didn't support AVX until SP1 for W7 so versions before that can not natively run AVX properly.
     
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  41. trvelbug

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    I do video editing so I'm quite interested in the new avx and fpo instruction set.
    But although I see sse support I've can't remember seeing avx support on any program. It would be interesting though cause these could have major effects on video editing and transcoding especially with quick sync integration

    Sent from my samsung galaxy s2 using tapatalk
     
    trvelbug, Feb 2, 2012
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    Cloudfire, Feb 6, 2012
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    Intel Haswell iGPU: there's something for everyone by VR-Zone.com

     
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  44. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    2013 mobile Shark Bay platform promises NFC

    Shark Bay 2013 has one and two chip platforms coming (see post #72)

     
    Jayayess1190, Feb 22, 2012
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    Mr. Wonderful, Feb 22, 2012
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  46. yknyong1

    yknyong1 Radiance with Radeon

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    nice info! I wonder if that would affect tray CPU or only on laptops.
     
    long2905, Feb 23, 2012
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  48. Jayayess1190

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    Intel 22nm Haswell Processors Will Launch in March 2013, Says Report - Softpedia

     
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  49. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    Why would the memory controller care if it's DDR3L or DDR3?
     
    HTWingNut, Mar 16, 2012
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  50. H.A.L. 9000

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    According to what I've read, DDR3L has different physical characteristics like different ball/signal assignments. Or according to JEDEC anyway...
     
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