Has anyone checked out the Dell 2407WFP?

I'm thinking about saving up a little extra money this summer to afford this $569 beast, but I was wondering what people thought of the monitor and image quality compared to a 2005FPW or another decent monitor.

1920 x 1200 sounds mighty juicy right now...

 

I have had the 19inch Gateway lcd and its beautiful. I have had zero problems with it, no dead pixels or anything. I know that bb has the 24 on sale this week for 629. It has all of the inputs a tv would have and is a pleasure to behold. Mine only has vga and dvi-d and displays 720p. xbox 360 looks great running thru vga.

 

I have the 207WFP and I have got to say Dell rebrands/makes great LCDs, and their CSR's aren't that bad neither, call in and negotiate some May take a few tries though.

 

I have nec 20WMGX2 20.1" wide screen, as-ips panel it is awesom....The pictures quality is amazin.Accurate colors, good response time, great contrast, sharp text.It is around 570$ so you must see it

 

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/review.aspx?CIaRID=2947

Nice Review on it

 

The 2007WFP will have slightly better picture quality than the 2407WFP becaus it uses a S-IPS panel. The 2407WFP uses a slightly inferior panel. However, the 1920 x 1200 resolution and the ability to play HD content 1:1 is mighty tempting. I'm also saving up for this monitor this summer, but I'm still trying to figure out if my desktop can play compressed 1080p videos smoothly.

Here's an overview of the different panels uses in LCDs.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222

 

Yea, I've been thinking about the 2407 mainly because I might want a little extra resolution. I owned the 2005FPW a while back, and while nice I might have a use for a little extra.

Additionally, I also have cable service with DVR and HDTV included (HDTV came with the DVR but I cannot take advantage of it yet)...so that alone is tempting. I'm also taking a hardware design class next year at Purdue, so the extra resolution might be really useful for CAD related stuff.

EDIT: I just wish I had a PC that could play Oblivion at 1920x1200!

 

Bump...here's the big question:

Is the 2407FPW worth $569 plus tax?

 

Yes! You might find some stackable coupons on Ebay if you look around.

 

Has anyone been able to talk Dell down a little more via the phone?

 

I think I'm going to try to go to my local Apple store after work tomorrow. They have a 24" display (I think) so I'll be able to evaluate it there...I think they use the same panels...

Of course, I just might drop the trip and purchase the darn thing already...

Is there some type of really hot coupon out for these monitors right now? I don't see anything, but a 10-15% off coupon right now would be great...

EDIT: They have refurb 2407s for $529...worth saving $40?

 

http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__BenQ_FP241W_Black_24_LCD_Monitor,__27671143/

I personally find this BenQ a better choice for 24"...Composite,Component, DVI, HDMI.... it's not just ur regular monitor, it's a 1080p gaming tv... but for 100usd more..

Find da reviews, most of the review i read recommend this over the Dell if u have the $

 

Well, regardless of the $$$ (which I don't really have an extra $100) the monitor is actually too tall. The 2407FPW will fit, but the BenQ will not.

 

Hard Forums-Displays has a million pages on the 24" Dell.

 

I just noticed that CostCo has this monitor in stock as well...would they have it in a B&M store?

EDIT: I've got a CostCo 3 blocks from work it seems...I'll probably check myself tonight on the way home.

 

Question: Has anyone heard much about the 2407WFP-HC? I heard something like it would be released in a few weeks, but at a higher price point...does anyone have specifics (and more information than Hardforums or Extremetech has)?

 

I just wondering. Monitor is $519 at Dell Outlet but will it be an A04 and could be really be a new monitor? Thanks.

What about the warranty? It is 3 years?

 

My brain hurts from reading your post. Your chances of getting an A04 would probably be pretty slim. I'm guessing Dell sells their older revisions and work their way to the later revisions. I believe warranty is the same as a brand new monitor.

A brand new 2407wfp is only $570. Why save $51 on a refurbished model?

 

I don't know about the revision, but I think the refurb Dell monitors only come with a 90 day warranty.

I'm starting to really think that $569 is a great deal, and I'm going to call in and try to get a better one this weekend.

FYI, I just taped together four pieces of paper to mimick the size of the screen's panel...holy crap...it's huge...especially compared to my 15.4" laptop monitor...

 

I have a Dell 2001FP for at least a couple years now. It's been a excellent monitor. Just cause it's on Costco's site, doesn't mean it will be in stock in the store.

 

I've got the 2407WFP and use it on my main gaming PC -and I haven't had a single problem with it in over 6 months. Big, beautiful, and chock full of inputs...love the fact it has DVI & Component too -as it allowed me to play my Wii until I got my HDTV. Highly recommended especially at that price.

 

Kind of, I use to have the Dell 2405FPW. It was a fantastic monitor, and was pretty much the same as the new model. The performance was fantastic. Great resolution, ultra responsive, and great colour also. it's very expensive though. I'd look at other 24" models from other makes such a ViewSonic, HP or Xerox.

 

Here take a look guys.

I taped a few pieces of paper together (mimicking the size of the screen and nothing else), and put it up on top of my laptop monitor.

The bright portion in the middle is my actual laptop monitor, so it gives you an idea how much larger 24" is...

I just hope this thing can handle HDTV stuff correctly...

 

It should work fine. I think the price is not bad. A member of my family got a 24" Dell monitor awhile back and it cost him a grand.

 

Technical question...

A few people over at HardForums are thinking that the 2407HC monitor will debut at $700-800 but with a higher gamut rating....

The 2407WFP has a 72% rating...is that bad? Is a higher rating even worth it?

 

Ok...managed to squeeze out more overtime at work...I think I can do it and have it paid for sooner rather than later...

$600...24"...wow. Worth it? Or is there something that anyone should tell me...

I went to Best Buy today (yeah, I shouldn't have) to pick up a new keyboard (which regrettably I am returning because it is a steaming pile of plastic)...and I saw a 24" Gateway monitor. Wow, it's big, but it's nice. I even had the chance to check it out when plugged into a desktop, as this girl by the name of Lisa was nice enough to let me hook it up.

But yeah, that monitor is very impressive...and the Dell uses either the same panel or a better one I'm sure, so wow...I could fit three pages of a word document on there (all side-by-side) and it was readable from a few feet away. Two pages (or better yet, one) was readable from at least 6 feet away (give or take a little). Later, I had a huge 1920x1200 IE window with NBR on there, and the text was nice and clear. After that, IE & WMP & Word & more displayed all on the same screen with little to no overlapping of any window. And that looked really sweet. 24" is addictive.

 

So here's the deal...Dell lied (again):
The monitor only supports HDCP up to 720p, which means it is not fully HDCP compliant as advertised.

The DVI port cannot take a 1080i signal, and 1080p cannot be HDCP'ed. Thus, the highest HDCP content that can be accepted is 720p .

So, if you had a PC with 1920x1200 resolution, I kind of doubt that the PC would recognize it as an HDCP compliant display (since it cannot even do 1080). Any thoughts?

Component inputs are apparently okay, but not HDCP obviously, until you try to use 1080i. Dell knows that is a problem, and apparently do not intend to fix it...

So I'm starting to get the idea that this monitor is going to be nearly useless as an HDTV, but will be a great computer monitor. For $600+, I think Dell needs to actually make a monitor that does what the specs say it should do...

 

I thought this was fixed in the A04 revision. I'm going to purchase this tomorrow and would like to find out as well. We'll probably get a quicker answer on HardForums, however.

 

I don't have an account with HF, but I'm definitely bookmarking that one. I've created a thread on the Dell forums as well, and I'll post if there is any answer. Apparently there is a Dell rep there that actually knows about all of this stuff...

Oh, and the PS3 can support 1080p via the DVI, but no one knows if it is an HDCP protected path.

So I'm just curious as to when exactly does the HDCP functionality actually work. :confused2:

I was going to pull the trigger tonight, and then I saw something about that 1080p issue. I'm tempted to purchase it via Costco (though I don't want to pay the $50 membership fee) and return it if the next Dell 24" model actually fixes 1080p-HDCP. EDIT: Crap, Costco takes 12-14 days to ship...

 

Alright, the question is also up on the Dell forums now:
http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&thread.id=78530

Someone said here that their PS3 shows 1080p compliance, but I've got a great many more posts stating otherwise...
I've also found references in that same thread showing an HDCP PC said there was compliance, but then why are there all these HDCP issues with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players not working with 1080p?

I hate HDCP.

 

Alright, I'm starting to get a little understanding...

1080i is actually not as good as 720p, and 1080p is apparently the "holy grail" of high definition, in which very few HDTVs or monitors support. Current 1080p implementations are 30fps only, which means they are roughtly as good as 1080i's 60fps...which means 720p @ 60fps might be better than all of them.

I'm also reading resources that say 1080 v. 720 debates are fairly irrelavent on a 24" display at a decent viewing distance away. I'm not sure about that, but it is plausible. Now, I'm sure you would notice with a 50" monitor...

From my calculations, based on:
.270mm Dot Pitch for the 2407WFP
1200 vertical pixes on the 2407WFP
About 2.54cm per inch...

I'm showing the vertical resolution of a 720p monitor on a 24" diagonal monitor is about 56 DPI (dots per inch). Which means that each dot will be 0.0177" wide...1080 would be around 0.0106" wide dots. I don't think you would be able to tell the difference at 10 feet away...

I kind of think it would be hard to tell, which means that I might be okay with a $569 monitor and HDTV that only supports 720p.

I'm also starting to wonder if 1200p-HDCP for a desktop PC resolution would still be fine...which means a future HDCP capable PC would be fine playing a 1080i/p content. The monitor cannot communicate correctly with 1080i/p standalone DVD players, which is why stuff gets down-converted to 720p. Apparently PC's don't check HDCP in the same manner than standalone players do...:confused2:

 

this is rather confusing lol.

down with DRM is all i have to say.

 

I'll simplify it...you aren't going to notice the difference is you view the monitor from at least a few feet away. As in if you're sitting on the couch watching TV, 1080 and 720 will look about the same.

 

Here's a good read I think:
http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

According to this calculator that guy has developed, it looks like at about 5-6 feet away the difference between 1080 and 720 is minimal. The eye just cannot see that high of a resolution at that distance...

Looks like the movies are back in business...

 

Well, I did it.

I'm a proud new owner of the 2407WFP monitor.

I figure if there are any issues with it (and I will be testing for issues!) I have a 21 day return period so...

Now, I weep for my wallet. I think I just burned a hole through my credit card!

 

I was also under the impression the A04 version would fix the 1080P issue. I own a 2407WFP A03 and I love it. it will take you a week or two to get use to the size of it. what did you pay? mine was a refurb from the dell outlet, paid $650 for it about 4 months ago. have they gotten any cheaper? I would love to go dual screen on this thing.

 

They're going for $569 for brand new right now.

 

Really nice monitor, but just a tad on the expensive side. I don't think I want to pay more than $300 for a monitor, so I am looking at 20/22" monitors.

 

Well, I've owned a 20" widescreen...but I really need something a little larger this time. So $569 for a monitor that will stay around for at least three years is nice...

24" is soooo much larger than 20", and this is going to double as my component or HDMI based HDTV.

 

Well...the monitor is apparently on backorder. I just got off the phone with Dell sales...

 

Wow...three days after I order it, and the sale ends. Monitor is now on sale for $669, but my $569 order is still not cancelled...and it looks like I probably will not cancel it now!

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Ummm, wow. It's big. It's really really really big. Ummm, yeah...it's big.

Not a dead pixel in sight either, so that's good! Color was a little off to start with, but I think I've got it to where I wanted it. Oh, and I had to turn the brightness down A LOT. This screen is huge!

I'll post more as I get more...right now I'm downloading some free 1080p content and checking it out.

 

Wow...I kind of feel guilty now. Nice monitor, no doubt...but the price...oh, my wallet hurts. But wow, this monitor is nice.

 

Glad you like it. Enjoy!

 

told ya you would fall in love!

 

Do you notice any significant color differences between the nc8430's LCD and the Dell's? I use mine with a 2007WFP and have noticed that my notebook's LCD (nc8430) isn't very accurate when compared to the external monitor. When viewed side by side, the notebook LCD appear dull (the colours' vibrance just isn't there). I'm pretty sure the colours on the Dell is more accurate than that on my notebook, only that I've never realised it until I started using the external monitor.
This is with the external monitor connected via DVI through the docking station.

 

That's probably due to the fact that almost all notebook panels are 6 bit TN panels whereas the 2007FPW is either an S-IPS or MVA panel, which are both 8 bit color panels. Plus the fact that S-IPS/MVA are generally superior to TN panel in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles anyways. You do lose a bit of response time compared to the TN panels though (granted the TN panels used in most notebooks aren't super low refresh anyways).

I've been eying the 2407FPW as well as the BenQ 241W. Both seem like great choices (I'm mostly looking for the extra resolution + color reproduction for web design).

 

Well, I've been working a LOT to try to tune it...the monitor was pretty bright from the start and I couldn't look at it for too long . Of course, this is coming from someone who gets migrates when it is too bright outside...

I don't know much about the color accuracy deal, but I'm definitely happy with how it looks now. I've got it on custom colors for R:85, G: 85: B: 88 and I'll probably tweak it later too once I get some type of calibration aid.

Compared to the nc8430 screen though, it can be a lot brighter (which is almost a BAD thing ). I'm starting to think my nc8430 is a 6bit panel, because I don't see some of the sparkling effects I did with the nc8430. Don't get me wrong, the nc8430 screen is great...but this is better.

But I do agree that this monitor can output more vibrant colors compared to the nc8430...I just can't vouch for accuracy, especially since I never calibrated my laptop LCD.

I've got it on DVI right now, and I'm going to test the VGA in a little while too (I'm testing the entire monitor before I decide to keep it).

I think the 'panel lottery' on the 2007 finally ended with all models being S-IPS now. Just for everyone's reference, I believe the 2407 has a S-PVA monitor, but I'm still working to confirm that.