Haswell to be released June 2nd, when will it be in laptops?

From what I've been reading, the Haswell processor will be released on June 2nd by Intel. Does this mean that manufacturers like HP and Lenovo will have them ready to go on June 2nd, or will they take a while to get them into rotation?

 

In many cases OEM's have product on hand at the "release" day and frequently have product for sale same week, sometimes same day as the release.

 

Awesome, thanks wingnut.

 

In the days where AMD would force Intel to release vaporware it was true you could wait 6 months to see actual hardware. This is not so much the case anymore. Usually though dessktop hardware is available before mobile and some of the CPU's may be rleased in stages. This where the higher end multi cores are available at a later date.

It all goes back to the "there is something better coming right around the corner". It turns out the the i7-3820 I have handles everything I run 99.99% of the time without a sweat. For the 0.01% of the time it needs to sweat it does so where it completes the workout in short order. Unless software is released that will really crunch the CPU cycles I am good for quite a long time........................

 

Since ES chips are made available to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs prior to launch, there is a good chance you'll see systems with Haswell almost immediately once Intel announces it.

 

Hopefully they bring the release to May because that's when this school year ends. I need a PC now, and most definitely will by then. June is fine I suppose. But sooner is better, IMO. To be honest, I'm more excited about the changes in the computers themselves than the Haswell release.

And yeah, HTWing is correct. Most retailers and computer manufacturers already have these parts incoming and are preparing them as we speak. Stuff like this happens months ahead of time to meet demand upon release.

 

I have ordered the Dell XPS 12 with i7-3537U for € 1350. Do you think Haswell is worth the wait?

 

Although I don't know if I'd say months. They will likely start shipping beginning of May for mass production, but as Prostar states, OEM's get samples for testing months in advance. They've likely got the first run of ES and QS chips now.

Meh, likely not. Chances are the ULV CPU's will lag behind a few months. Plus the CPU improvement will be about 10%, and iGPU maybe 25-30%.

 

yep dual core models tend to get a late release with intel, specially the ulv ones, since they are binned higher than the usual

 

I'm going to have to disagree with everyone and say it depends on the type of laptop and the OEM's intentions.

• If the OEM is overstocked on the existing Ivy Bridge model, there will be a delay.
• If the OEM is planning on redesigning the laptop, there will likely be a delay.
• Business class laptops like Thinkpads and Latitudes typically also have a delay.
• Workstation class laptops like the Elitebook and Precision have a very long delay - it could take months for Haswell versions of those show up.

If none of the above apply, then the refresh should happen very quickly.

 

Intel is good about exhausting stock, and even offers obsolescence deals with OEMs to get the new product out there. I bet you'll see Ivy Bridge notebooks starting to drop in price significantly starting next month to exhaust whatever stock they have. There are still Sandy Bridge notebooks out there, but didn't stop OEM's from selling Ivy Bridge day 1 release. Granted Sandy Bridge was a direct drop-in for Ivy Bridge socket. Plus they like to get new models out in time for start of the school year because that tends to be the highest sales.

 

I'm sure select models will be refreshed right away, but I doubt Dell for instance is going to have Haswell versions of every single Inspiron, XPS, Alienware, Vostro, Latitude, and Precision available on June 2, 2013.

 

usually premium and business lines take more time, mainstream consumer lines are the ones that can get out of the gate.

There are also possible changes on just the mobo and cpu on currently running models, with a change in the chassis, 2-3 months later.

that is also how it usually goes, it doesnt matter how much stock they have or any other measure, they just go and do it. From arrandale to sandy there was a large stock because of the promise of great leaps in cpu performance, the same thing happened to ivy due to the better power management, and the same thing will happen to haswell. Off course the downfall of the consumption of goods has fallen, specially the semi durable ones, those OEMs dont really care, they try to sell as much as they can and if that fails, it fails. That doesnt preclude that some would roll, however the ones that do are not the right ones

 

No they most certainly won't. There will still be a market for Ivy Bridge, and the inception of Haswell to consumers will require some breaking in, as with any new chip (or any new technology, for the most part). Especially since Haswell is slated for a new socket.

 

why breking in? whats the difference between a notebook from 2012 to the 2013? whats so revolutionary that needs breaking in? its just a normal cycle, nothing special. What OEM need to do is to sell their stock. They should have stopped production a few months ago for the old models (they usually do).

 

"Breaking in" in the context of "educating" consumers and the marketing of a new[er] product, as well as implementation from OEMs over predecessors.

 

you mean the standard PR job that every company has to do with new products?

 

Erste Haswell-Notebooks angekündigt | heise online

Google translated:
First Haswell notebooks announced | heise online

 

That too.

 

If you have Sandy Bridge there is no point upgrading to Ivy.

Just wait for Haswell. It will have AVX2 instruction sets. I expect a 15% improvement over IB.

Let's hope MSI is on time. I really hope to see more benchmarks soon. I expect the Intel Haswell iGPU to be 10-30% slower than the GT650M we have now. I expect 30-40 FPS in the Dirt 3 demo on those settings.

 

Don't count on that. It won't even be as good as the AMD A10-4600m 7660G which is still less than half the performance of the 650m.

 

I doubt the increases in CPU performance will be on that level.
More likely that Haswell will have about up to 10% increase on the CPU side from architecture alone - however, we can expect Intel to reduce the clocks by 10%, which means that they will reduce the overall power consumption while retaining existing performance.
So all in all, I would basically expect the same thing that happened with Ivy Bridge... maybe 5% increase in CPU performance overall with lower power demand from the CPU itself.
All in all, if you have Sandy Bridge, or even Ivy Bridge and are not relying on the IGP (or actually, even you are relying on the IGP somewhat), then there's no point in upgrading at this time.

Haswell however will experience an increase in overall TDP (as we know by now) because of the IGP (which may be on par with Trinity, but I doubt it will surpass it - its more likely it will be slower than Trinity).

 

Intel can either improve performance or reduce power consumption with Haswell, so I'd expect to see a two-pronged approach - same performance as IB at lower power with the ULV U- and Y-series CPUs, and higher performance at the same power consumption with the quad core Q-series and to a lesser extent the mainstream M-series.

 

How much delay on a detachable & reversible laptop like lenovo helix or a refresh on the helix itself? I need a laptop for school, and I'm going to work my a** off this summer to save up for a good one.

yes, it's released and no, lenovo hasn't updated the site to confirm .

I really want a hybrid ultrabook because it's a rather new concept to me and have recently gained decent knowledge about different desktop and laptop hardware and features this past year.

 

In the case of the Helix, the form factor is much less of an influence than the fact that it's a business-class laptop.

Enterprise IT departments tend to plan out upgrade cycles as much as a year in advance and when they do finally commit to doing the upgrade, they typically want to deploy the same model across the enterprise for ease of maintenance (and therefore TCO) reasons - finding out halfway through the deployment phase that the model they had decided on 6 months ago has just been discontinued and that they'll be forced to get an updated model to replace the remaining 40% of the organization's computers is an absolute nightmare, because now IT has to maintain and update 2 separate Windows images and support 2 sets of hardware, BIOSes, drivers, etc.

As such, there isn't much motivation for Lenovo (or any other OEM) to refresh their business-class models immediately - if anything, I'd say there's actually a huge disincentive because of the above reason. Granted, it'll happen eventually because Lenovo needs to strike a balance between keeping their enterprise customers happy and ensuring that the stuff they sell is cutting edge and state-of-the-art, but it could take weeks or even months before it does.

 

I still dont see a reason for sandy bridge to upgrade as they are still very potent chips. But hey if you have money to burn...

 

Would be nice if you had at least a basic grasp of architecture- and manufacturing process changes before making blanket statements like this.

Intel is improving performance slightly while reducing power consumption by a lot (which happens to be Intel's main drive at this time, due to their intent on entering the smartphone and tablet business to compete with ARM based systems)

Intel's claims are as follows:

GPU: for Iris integrated GPUs range from 1.5x to 2x performance increase over IB's HD-4000 GPUs, depending if your chip has an Iris 5000, 5100 or 5200.
CPU: 10-15% performance increase, mostly due to pipeline and layout efficiency and manufacturing process improvements.
Battery Life: 1.5x to 2.0x improvements in battery life, mainly due to advanced, partial throttle and sleep functionality as well as improved transistor design (less leakage).

Now, its possible they overpromised to some degree. But even if you cut their largest claims by half, the improvements should be very noticeable in Laptops.

Drawbacks are new on-chip trapdoors and botched up built-in security features. Probably nothing that can't be fixed by the open source community.

I expect a Samsung Series 7 Ultra to run 12 hours instead of the current 8 hours, but lose the advantage if you stress the Iris GPU to play games, which is a fair trade-off.




Regarding delays for laptop announcements: All major manufacturers had Haswell design samples since 2012. They had more than half a year to adjust mainboards and other components, and at least a couple of months to build a pile of units ahead of release.

Also, OEMs are desperate for sales and will try to ride this wave for all its worth. Any manufacturer serious about gaining market share will have this stuff at the trade show and on the shelves as soon as they can.

Given that even within a half year, their engineering departments can't necessarily adjust all their platforms, the systems with the highest sales numbers will have the update first. Saying just 'consumer' models will have it right away is a little too general, it will be the top sellers to come first, and those models the OEMs consider strategic.

 

Here's a picture of the interior of a new Haswell Ultrabook with a GTX765M GPU. I put up an interior shot, cause its the cleanest build I've ever seen, even beating Samsung and Apple interiors:


14" 1.8 Kg Ultrabook (seen from the bottom with the floor panel off).
It looks like its using a dual SSD raid and its being offered with a 512GB option.

It might fall out of Intel's specification due to not using a ULV CPU, but I doubt anyone cares...

 

you may want to see this


and this is just a bonus for you



although this may come handy for comparison



and its not using any raid at all, you can clearly see the mSATA in there

 

What machine is the second picture you linked? The Razer Blade 17" or something else?


On my picture of the Blade 14, you can see 3 mSATA slots, one holding a wifi.bluetooth card and 2 holding identical looking storage cards.


And here, have a bonus for u too:

 

you are right, I missed the one beneath the battery or touchpad touchpad connector

The first comparison photo is the rmbp 15 with the razer blade, the 2nd is my cat (terrible phone photo), the 3rd is the rmbp 13

their design draws heavily on what apple made last year, and sincerely I think its beautiful as it is, except the rmbp 13 should come with this



there is clearly enough space

 

Were the CPU specs released for the Razer 14"? I haven't seen it yet. It's a clean build because you can't upgrade anything. Everything is embedded on the motherboard.

 

best looking naked notebooks ive seen

 

someone talked too much too soon, they said its a 37w quad for the 14 and 47w for the 17, the only 37w quad is the 4702, I think its bga, so 4702HQ

 

May be a redundant question but are they keeping the same configuration with the 4x unlocked multipliers in the 4800MQ and 4900MQ as there was with 37x0QM and 38x0QM?

 

no one knows so far

 

I see, thanks. Checking out Xotic and seems like they have Haswell and 700M available now. $369 is a hefty upgrade for the 4800MQ though. Assuming it has the greatest price/performance (similar previous gen 27x0QM and 37x0QM), it would be worth it for the unlocked multis.

 

yeah intel raised by 5 bucks their pricing scheme for the 4800mq compared to the 3740qm

I would wait, its way too much, you are paying basically the full price of the cpu

 

Detailed Intel presentation is found here ...:thumbsup:

The Core i7-4770K Review: Haswell Is Faster; Desktop Enthusiasts Yawn : Haswell Turns Into Intel's Fourth-Gen Core Architecture

 

It's been a while and I am unable to find much good information on when Haswell Ultrabooks will be showing up. Does anyone have any info? I've seen the 13 inch Sony and heard of the Acer V7 (but it's not available). Any others on the horizon?

Will they at least be coming out in July or should I plan on waiting longer than that?

 

With Intel XTU:
i7-4700MQ = +200MHz
i7-4800MQ = +400MHz
i7-4900MQ = +600MHz

Clevo has them out now, many other OEM's do also. By end of July they will be plentiful.