Help with processor undervolting and power limit throttling(i7-4710HQ)

I have an alienware 15 r1 with 4710hq and gtx 970m with 240watt power supply. I tried undervolting to reduce temperatures at stock clock speed(x33 multiplier with 4 active cores) but when i run prime 95 there is only slight power limit throttling like abt 10% that too only for like 1 seconds or something for the 120 second run of 1024m test. But when i run gta 5 my cpu power throttles by 60-80% of only power limit throttling; leaving the clock speed at arnd 2.4ghz to 2.9ghz the entire time of running that game.
How to resolve this
my current config is just -50mv undervolt on core voltage
-50mv on cache voltage
-50mv on igpu and processor graphics ratio reduced to 1.0 from 12.0

 

Not much you can do. This is by design. The problem is when cpu/gpu work together. Read through this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-15-r1-cpu-issue-warning.788446/
Maybe @VICKYGAMEBOY can give a few advices.
More of the same topic http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/why-is-my-alienware-15-cpu-throttling-to-800-mhz.777144/

 

This why Alienware's new laptops are truly BGA junk of the highest order.. You proud now Azor? Moron!

 

I think the solution would be to make a new 18" flagship with TB3 AGA option (TB3 no need iGPU to use EDP/LVDS). MXM but HQ/HK CPU, ala MSi or Thinkpad P70.

 

Intel BGA in a new 18 *flagship* BIG NO THANKS!! Older hardcore AW power enthusiasts will go a long way outside a such crippled design. Combine this with a crippled Bios/Ec and secure boot and you have a very crippled machine. Ask @Mr. Fox and @TBoneSan if they mean this is a acceptable/good solution. Maybe DELLIENWARE will go for this, but a lot of former Aw18 owners will not accept this halfway made TurdBook!! Maybe DELLIENWARE will make this model with slim/lightweight design? Probably!!

 

I believe Azor said that AW won't make desktop CPU in laptop because they do not get support from intel regarding the implementation and testing.

If you can shave one component being BGA, it's still something, right?

 

No..., @Alienware-Frank aka Mr. Azor said desktop processor will make an Aw 18 to a worse system. He said Dell have tried this before with no success.. I shall post you what he said later.

 

From AWA @Mobius 1 Intel does not support DT processor in mobile form factors... This is not the same as not support standard DT processor in an laptop!! Clevo use already DT processors in their great systems. And with big success!!

It's very important that people who want a new 18 *Flagship* from DELLIENWARE, know exactly what they will get... A brand new CRIPPLED *Flagship*!! If this **** will be designed and released of course.

 

That's right, he made it pretty clear that we'll get what we're given. That the 4-lane breadbox is all we'll ever need.
They basically said they're enjoying taking money off kids while being bent over by Intel and don't have the stones to make something awesome like Clevo. Haha That's what I took from it.

 

Well it's somehow understandable if they don't want to use DT CPU, it does limit battery life (again, it's a laptop).

Maybe the compromise would be have a motherboard but the BGA components connected through a ribbon cable, being separate daughterboards. So if your CPU break, replace the CPU daughterboard, not the entire motherboard like nowadays BGA machine.

So the flagship 18/17 new would have a motherboard with MXM, and BGA CPU on a separate daughterboard.

 

Why make a more crippled system?

And you said it's understandable if they don't want to use DT CPU because of better battery life. THIS will be a DESKTOP REPLACEMENT!! A 18 inches machine AND NOT A 13-15" TURDBOOK...

Edit: And remember Dell learned very fast from MSI. The famous Hybrid bios. The same will happen if Dell will use a low powered Hq/HK processor in a new AW18. Lower power demand will give a single 330w + Hybrid bios. Aka same power cap on the motherboard. Dell used nearly the same concept on last AW 18. Max power consumption was 330w.

 

@Mobius 1

Nope. Do you think people who buy the flagship powerhouse monster care how many hours they can play games in the school bus for?

As long as it's a portable device is all I care about. I wouldn't mind it they put a tiny battery that lasted 10 minutes - just enough to transport it somewhere else in the house.

Even the gamer boy machines suck when they're not plugged in. No way I'm going to play a game on battery anywhere of even if you paid me.

I got a goofy BGA lenovo hybrid tablet that can last 15 hours on battery. I can game all that time at a crappy frame rate all the same. I don't expect more because a crappy frame rate is all anyone is going to get on battery.

What matters from a flagship is once it's plugged in, is it going to deliver uncompromised performance.

 

Ideally that would be the best way to design a DT, but a at the same time it would make the laptop belong in an extremely niche market. I don't think dell would allow AW to make such machines even if they could.

But hey, we can dream right?

 

Yeah, but dreams helps no one . Dellienware is now like any other brand. Fully BGA creators without visions!!

 

The GA is a step in the right direction though. It's currently the cheapest AIO option to get an external graphic card on a laptop.

 

Several want maximum performance from internal hardware and not from a bread box (I have several places I use my laptop, both at home and my cabin). Lug around with a huge graphics amplifier for gaming other places than home with my desk? Not me.
And Dell has designed the heatsink in their laptops for use of this graphics amplifier. Shared pipes and heatsink so the processor can be cooled better if internal graphics is disabled. No thanks.

 

*ahem*







P775DM 980 desktop 180w
















The AW15 and 17 is powerful enough to game on the go, the GA is meant for desktop use.

 

I know some Clevo models use similar design... But you think this flimsy Aw 17 <Echo> designed shared heatsink design will give better cooling than Clevo's ? Put in +100w load on cpu and max load from gpu and hope for the best(Of course if the Intel BGA could do +100w)

I prefer this design. As in my P870

 

Lol, what about the i7-6785R which is a BGA desktop CPU which AFAIK is ball for ball compatible with the i7-6700HQ.

Strange how the desktop CPU's seem to perform more efficiently than their mobile counterparts WHEN RUNNING AT THE SAME CLOCKS. I've had a desktop Haswell desktop i3 undervolt more than any testers with mobile "U" 15W CPU's could clock\for clock and I am left with the opinion that the mobile sector was mainly bought about to cater for those desktop CPU's whose thermals were way too high at the high clocks. Maybe the simple solution was to reduce the clocks and consequently power on those hot chips then repackage them as lower power mobile CPU's.

Ever heard the expression ULV, it means ultra low voltage (or power) but I think all it means is the mobiles are using less voltage than their much higher clocked desktop counterparts. I don't see any reason a desktop CPU could not be down clocked to achieve the same results or better than a lot of the mobile CPU's.

For the OP
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/guide-to-haswell-voltage-adjustments.742522/

 

GTX 980M = 125w+ TDP
I believe from the guys running 6820HK they never break 55w even on 4.5ghz? So if you have less TDP the AW15/17's heatsink is somewhat enough.

because better memory timing and speeds

 

Your confusing efficiency with performance. That does not help a CPU undervolt vcore and cache voltage.