High temperatures, can't undervolt

Hello. I'm running World of Warcraft in my HP G60 445dx (Specs here: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/hp-pavilion-g60-445dx/4505-3121_7-33712884.html) in normal graphics (using Windows XP, SP3), using the notebook on some plastic/wood surface.
I post here some data extracted from HWMonitor, battery is plugged at 100%, but I always use it with DC power. Room temp is 26 C.
Internet browsing info:

Hardware Monitors
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Hardware monitor ACPI
Temperature 0 77°C (157°F) [0xD68] (TZS0)
Temperature 1 77°C (157°F) [0xD68] (TZS1)

Hardware monitor AMD Turion X2 RM-75
Temperature 0 88°C (171°F) [0x26A] (Core #0)
Temperature 1 88°C (171°F) [0x26A] (Core #1)

Hardware monitor NVIDIA GeForce 8200M G
Temperature 0 89°C (179°F) (GPU Core)


The computer is about 5 months old. I am using it over a notebook cooler like this one http://www.lion-lion.com/closeout/up..._Blue_Neon.jpg, and about 2 inches above the table.
Are these normal temperatures, especially regaring to the GPU? Up to now, I haven't experienced any freezzing, lagging, shutdown, blue screens or lines in screen yet, but it get's excessively hot, more on its right upper side.

I tried following the Undervolting guide, but when trying to use RMClock it didnt't detect my CPU by any means... Using Orthos stress program gave temperatures high like those shown.


This notebook cost a lot of money to me, so I'd like to keep it for a relative long time.
I'm highly worried about this... What do you recommend me doing?
Thanks in advance

 

It seems like you have a big problem.

rule 1:dont buy notebooks that have a amd cpu.amd is not successfull making notebook cpu's and it is known as a heat and energy monster in notebook world.

77 is high for a cpu but at those temps i think that your notebook can run safe because amd cpus' should be durable to heat.


your gpu seems high to,but it is okay since it doesn't pass 90C,but still the tempertures you have are way bad,that heat won't do any damage but make the notebook less stable about performance and it wont last for a long time.(about 2-3 years)

1-amd fails at notebook cpus' and it is not papular so maybe your cpu is not compatible with rmclock because it is amd.
2-clean the dust inside your laptop if there is
3-use a better cooler like zalman.
4-are you sure that your notebook's fan spin fast enough at this temps.

amd is a cpu that fails in notebooks and runs very hot and also hp fails at cooling sometimes,that is why your notebook runs hot.

as i said this temps are acceptable but not good.

your gpu is not also a good gpu
it is old and slow.

i cant understand why your notebook costed that much

 

sorry,i thought first that your cpu runs 77 C.88C is way hot for a cpu,it can run but it wont last for a long time and run safe,but it will be still capable running.

different cpus' are durable to different tempertures
but your notebook runs very hot.

 

AMD CPU's generally run hot so your CPU temps are not suprising... ur GPU temps are too high... U need to undervolt using the undervolting guide which is found on the forum... ur GPU temps are just too high but not suprising since u have a 8000 series GPU... basically there's nothing u can do about this..

 

I'd get some compressed air and try and see if I could get any dust out... then if that won't work, i'd get to undervolting. If those are your idle temps, then that thing is going to have a short life. I also noted that you said browsing temps... if you're running a browser while taking temps, open the task manager and make sure something is not hogging CPU time, and heating up your notebook, like Flash or some unresponsive script.

EDIT: On a general note you have two of the hottest running components within one notebook... AMD cpu and an 8-series nVidia GPU. Both are made on 65nm or higher lith processes and generate a good deal of heat.

 

you can undervolt your cpu with k10stat.
You'll see a good drop in temp

 

Thanks for all the replies. But are these normal temperatures? Or I may send it back to HP tech support saying that it has factory-origin problems?

I tried to undervolt with RMCLock, but it doesn't recognize my CPU in Win XP nor in Vista. I'll try with k10stat.

Thanks in advance

 

when gaming? yes, it's normal.
you should know that factory default thermal paste and thermal pads aren't that good. And not all notebook models have good cooling system design
edit: and your notebook cooler also isn't that good, but with k10stat you'll get a drop, trust me

 

Ok... But also when running Orthos stress test, in 2 minutes I was already having those temps...
Can I also undervolt the GPU?

And another question, I have the possibility to change it for a similar specs Toshiba with Intel CPU and GPU, do you advise me to do such thing?

Thanks in advance

 

The model I talk about is one similar to a Toshiba L500-ST5505. Any advice? Is it comparable with the laptop I have at the moment?

Thanks in advance

 

The intel will definately run cooler, but I'm not so sure the X4500 will be comparable to 8200m. I believe the 8200m is a little faster. But the Toshiba will probably also have a better cooling profile.

 

never think about using Intel integrated gpu for gaming.
now have you tried k10stat?

 

I think I am in a good position to solve your issue.
I am the person who wrote the K10 undervolt guy as well as a guy who undervolt the GPU as well.
FYI:
The 8200M G is a integrated GPU meaning there is no onboard VGA BIOS.
The VGA BIOS exist as a small module part of the main BIOS image.

So if you are willing to flash BIOS then I will mod for you
(Plus other goodies ). Otherwise no point wasting time.

Of Course there is emergency BIOS recovery Techniques in case the mod isn't well done to revert to a working BIOS.

 

now that's a great deal!

 

Hello I'm back. I finally undervolted with k10stat to values 1.075V, 0.850V and 0.750V, and times for up and down in 500ms and 2000ms, like in the k10stat guide provided. I also set via the AMD fusion utility the minimum and maximum processor state to 0%. Then I launched the AMD fusion and played continuously during one hour. After one hour of play HWMonitor showed this:



As you can see, great results, more than 20 grades down than before, in CPU and GPU. What I noticed is a little worse graphics performance (can't tell about cpu), since the FPS dropped a bit; but with cooler gaming I really don't care much about it.
What do you think guys? Is there anything I should still modify?

By the way, I played with that overheating for a month, let's say 3 hours a day. Is there any possibility that the CPU or GPU may got damaged? Is there any way to check that?

Thanks again for the replies

 

How about turn off amd fusion and play? does the fps still drop?

 

Yes. They still drop a bit.
Is it ok to leave the min and max proccessor state to 0%?

 

I don't know, I'm not using k10stat or amd fusion.
But you might want to confirm that FID in P0 is the highest multiplier,
and you're running top speed

 

Please don't use the fusion mobility it simply locks the CPU to P-State 2 hence making it run at lowest speed effectively.

 

i never looked at the undervolting guide here, but i use notebook hardware control.. its really simple, and i use it on 3 laptops.. give it a try

 

I noticed that. I'll follow your advice.

If I'm not wrong, I tried it and didn't recognized the CPU.

I repeat the question, since I played with that overheating for a month, let's suppose 3 hours a day. Is there any possibility that the CPU or GPU might got damaged? Or it is still a little time to have any problem? Is there any way to check that?

Thanks again

 

To date only a few undervolting utilities for the Griffin CPUS.
1)GriffinPowerControl
2)TurionPowerControl (HP Forums made by Blackshard)
3)K10Stat

Unless you see artifacts GPU is not damaged.
Oh and there is no other way I know you can undervolt the GPU besides modding the BIOS.

 

Ok. I'll give a try to TurionPowerControl. By the way, what values should I set min and max proccessor state at in the power energy option? Should I leave them at 0?

 

Leave it at default:Max 100% Min 5%

 

Back in the thread. I switched again to XP and tried all the same stuff that I tried in Vista. I can't get as low temperatures as I had before (it's not very important, just some degrees of diference). In Vista it showed ACPI/Core/GPU temps at 35/39/46º on idle. In XP, I'm using the Max Battery scheme in Control Panel/Energy Options options, undervolted with k10stat, and locked CPU to P2 (lowest state) with Speedswitch XP, and I'm gettint 43/47/55º.

Does anyone know what is causing this difference? Thanks in advance again for your help

 

Vista power management should be better than Xp although Windows 7 is better than both

 

Really? I'll see if I can try W7 and then I'll post results... Thanks again

 

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Cheers!