How does Core i7's compare to "high end" Core2's??

Hi I have a new laptop with the Intel Core 2Duo P8800 2.66Ghz and was pissed to see that the new i7's are being launched in new notebooks.. How would they compare to my notebooks CPU? A lot of them are only 1.6-1.8Ghz.....

 

It's quad core vs your dual core. Obviously, which do you think is better? And why are you mad? These processors have been in the making for notebooks for months now...

 

And they have 4 additional threads... for day to day tasks, you won't notice a difference, but for rendering and encoding, they will easily OWN any current dual core CPU (at least 2-3x faster). You must be new to the computer world... things come out every few months, nothing to get angry about.

 

It's been a while since a new architecture from intel.. Core i7 isn't just a new P or T series cpu

But unless you do video encoding or heavy cpu depended applications, it won't matter. Plus the i7 has a higher tdp.

 

Well actually "quad cores" are only "BETTER' when you have multi threaded software running that can actually make use of 4 cores.. And higher end dual core CPU's usually rape Quads in a lot benchmarks (especially gaming).. Quad cores are definately better for future proofing machines. BUT at the moment I would prefer a higher clock dual core than a quad core... Not talking specifically about notebooks CPU's. The high end Desktop Core2Duos (say a 2.8Ghz) would regularly beat the slightly lower clocked Core2Quad in most more than half benchmarks.
What I was asking was for a specific answer if anyone knows benchmark results of the new i7's.. comparing direct performance with high end (higher clocked Core2Duos)

 

the i7s owns your Mac, even the cheapest one, cause it will OC to 2.8 on when using 2 cores. And btw, what the hell is a T8800? lol.

/PCed.

 

Oops P8800 my bad.. Hmm il await for the benchmark result you can find for the comparison on the cheapest i7 compared to my P8800... And I wonder what the battery life of the notebook will be when its "overclocked to 2.8"..Jesus..

 

Gotta love my 7hour battery life.. Hows yours?

 

I'll stick with my 9800GTS, T9600 and 3.5 hour battery life.

 

Probably infinite, because he lives in the real world, where there are usually electrical outlets instead of a happy Apple world where 7 hrs of battery life is a MUST have for everybody because the Apple God says so.

Oh wait, you're the OP aren't you. Weren't you the one complaining about how the mobile i7s JUST came out and how that makes you mad? Now you're complaining about the i7's TDP? How...fishy.

 

i7 basically rapes every other laptop CPU ever made for anything at all intensive.

 

The new i7s dynamically overclock when programs do not take advantage of all the cores by shutting the unused cores down. So they will be a lot faster clock speed wise (up to 2.8GHz for the lowest model) AND use less power overall. Synthetic benchmarks are quite useless since systems can be vastly different, so I don't really see a point to most of them other than a reference point for a specific system (ie. if you want to see approximately how much better your system is if you overclock it).

 

Ooo thats a good one.. outlets... i see..
Il stick with my 7hours battery life and my 2x 4870's in my gaming rig..where it is happy with its outlet...
What is the TDP of the i7's by the way.. isnt it lower...? lol And who the hell overclocks thier "notebook" CPU with its awful cooler/fan to 2.8Ghz??! lol Love to see the heat considering most PC notebooks overheat like crazy on standard with a game running

 

erh my cpu rarely exceeds 50 deg.... I want to overclock it so bad...

 

Have to read up on them i7's.. They sound sexy..
But will it be using less power at 2.8Ghz.. come on now..

 

And why do people keep refering to "my Mac".. when I started this thread to talk about CPU's only..? The CPU's that are in Macs and PC's..
Mac attackers... shame on you.. I was the same as you only a few years ago.. Tut tut

 

Lemme guess...you were the same as us, but now you've become "enlightened." Your first Apple experience was revelatory, and now you pity the fools who do not share your enthusiasm for all things Apple.

With regard to overclocking in the i7 - you clearly have no idea what the i7 is all about.

 

Nope.. Use both.. Have a built desktop that cost me plenty to put together and certainly dont hate windows.. Run Vista 64 on it for all my games.. (too many)
Even though U seem to hate Macs.. or Mac owners.. or both..
But most people who attack Macs usually dont know anything about them or know the OS. Its an incredible OS and they make incredible and reliable notebooks.

 

TDP can't really be compared on first sight due to architectural differences (memory controller was added to CPU instead of being in chipset, for Arrandale they also have GPU integrated with CPU). But suffice to say, the quad core (octa threaded) i7s consume less power than current quad cores, though a bit more than the T series dual cores. And yes, you can overclock two cores and still have lower power consumption than four regular cores since the voltage needed to increase the clock speed is far less than the voltage needed to run the full additional core. Typically performance is inversely proportional to battery life, but the i7s are a lot more efficient than the current C2Ds, especially at idle.

 

the corei7 will demolish any current cpu

 

Just install Mac OSX on your PC and thats all we OWN macs, we can have better hardware... Can you change your processor anyway? What about your graphics card?.

How can you compile an esambler program on your mac?, ooops you have to run windows, how can you install linux?, how can you GAME?

Pffffffffffffttttttt.

More on topic:

the i7 is a power hog, but as far I know it will own any "workstation" laptop, just imagine about the gaming power of those beasts. 2.8ghz sounds pretty good if you ask me, also they arent that expensive at all.

 

Hopefully il be able to pull off my P8800 and replace it when the newer i7's come out... But I may not even need the extra power.. Everything is pretty instantaneous on my notebook.. plus dont use my MBP for gaming etc.. Thats what my tower is for..

 

Dude I hate to say this:

1- Your processor is soldered to the motherboard Apple does that in order to make them lighter.
2- core i7 is a new platform that WONT fit in your laptop
3- We have old tech
4- YOu could wait for the core i7 macbook versions .

 

Better hardware.. dont think so.. Will stick with the components that are in my MBP..

Also do you know anything about notebooks? All notebooks are pretty much in the same boat when it comes to CPU changing.. some lucky to have socketed CPU's --like mine and some arent..
Also you do know that 99% of notebooks on the market cannot get graphics card changed..? except for them rare and expansive Sagers etc with MXM modules (which are sexy as hell but too heavy and only an hours of batt life!)--might as well build youself a nice desktop.

Oh and you do know that you can run windows XP/Vista or Windows 7 (when it comes out) natively on a Mac.....? Doohhh.. Heard of partitioning.?
Also you should check out some cool software called "Fusion" for your Linux question..
Oh and I love that I can run all my "Windows only" games on my partitioned Mac and enjoy all the glory of Vista..

 

And sorry my mistake about the socketed CPU.. that was older models.. Apple actually dont use a solder either.. Its a glue that "can" be removed... although a little tricky..
But as I said I am gonna probably stick with my current spec.. I can always upgrade to 8GB DDR3 if I need to later on.. as well as my Hdd even though my current one "isnt bad'..haha.
And yes everything is pretty fast in the Mac OS world.. And I seem to get a 5.9 score on Vista.. hmm.. should do considering I use this notebook as my secondary machine..

 

Wait a second... You own a Gateway! Eewww!! Why am I talking to you!!!

 

T9600 > P8800
9800 GTS > 9600 GT
$800 > $2000

I have common sense > I'm a Mac

 

nice one lol

macs are sexy, "business" grade and expensive laptops. gateway on the other hand, are consumer grade laptops that gives consumers the best bang for the back. its between fame/stylishness and power/common sense

 

I cannot believe you seriously made Gateway out to be good notebooks... Are you feeling ok???!

 

whats why i classify them as consumer grade

 

No sorry I can t agree with that.. Gateway are the biggest heaps of xxxx. Incredibly bad build quality and you really get what you pay for with them.. CHEAP components!!! At least talk about Tosh's or ASUS'.
Gateway...ugghhh

 

I never get tired of these Mac vs PC threads.

While we've all heard tales of PC woes, I'm not sure I can call Macs particularly high quality computers either. The white first-generation Macbook I borrowed indefinitely has hair-width cracks all over the case from heat - had I spent my own money on it, I'd be pissed.

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/172436/handson_intel_core_i7_920xm_laptop_field_test.html

ignoring all the mac attacks, you won't find the i7 in any mbp short of a 17" if you're lucky and that's doubtful, the tdp and battery life would destroy the mac image - just wait for arrandale as next update.

Concerning i7 performance the above link has tested a Clevo unit with i7 920m and has incredibly impressive results, seems it even makes one gtx 280m more utilised than the sli combo in the m17x, and performance nearing that of xeon desktop core in Worldbench etc, so some major improvements along without having to ask whether you should get a high ghz dual or lower quad - as this has the whole range - can be fast single core down to slower 8 threads!

 

Darn, these Mac vs. PC threads are way too tempting!

For the prices they are offered at, especially their FX series gaming notebooks, Gateway notebooks are a great buy. I have never used a Mac in my life nor do I want to. I find them to be more style than substance in my opinion, just as you may find PCs as poorly assembled junk with an unstable operating system. I am happy with my mediocre, garbage PCs, thank you very much!

Fishy, your acting like me now that I have a gaming desktop, your elitist towards the PC users and I am elitist towards the console gamers. I know how it feels now.

 

1) you will be impressed that this baby can get 4 hours of battery life.
2) last time I checked the price difference between t9600 and P8800 is $100 and I never exceed 53 deg with only a very humble 0.05v undervolt.

And I do believe that 9800 cost more than 9600

3) Do you really need 8GB of RAM? Are you a RAMbo?
4) You actually listen to Best Buy people???
http://gizmodo.com/5334205/geek-squad-test/gallery
5) How does having a wallet that is $2000 lighter feel?

 

And if you want to talk build quality, I dare you to challenge my W3J.

 

Yeah I read their waiting on arrandale also... for your reasons and also that Apple just updated their notebook lineup and desktops are next

 

Yeah 9800 im sure costs more..
But what about that Motherboard in Macbook pro that supports 8Gb DDR3..? and has a 9400M and 9600Gt sitting on it.. Imagine the cost of that alone..Have you looked inside one of them babies.. You will be impressed..
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Unibody/590/1


And forget Best Buy.. Everyone looks at Gateway as a joke.

And again speaking of money.. You get what you pay for...

 

Hehe and ASUS manufacture Macbooks baby

 

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3647&p=8

Intel lists the same TDP for that i7 and Quad core 2. The i7 however has the northbridge on it (including pci express lanes) so there is just a southbridge to go with it.

So CPU = 45W - 7 = 38W (8 threads at max load)

Lets assume we are running two threads, thats two cores no HT so half of 38W is 19W and HT adds around 10% so it comes down to 17W. Now it clocks itself up by 40% bringing it to 23.8W.

Thats consuming less power than your CPU and at the same time performing better.

Thats assuming the NB functions use the same power as the P45 but I don't think its too far off.

 

This thread is nothing but a flame war - closed.

Fishy, fix your attitude.