How to Unlock the Core 2 Extreme Multiplier in Windows

Wow, that is pretty good amount of information already
I can't wait to get my hands on this x9000, i have t9500 on this now,if SETFSB worked, I wouldn't dare to buy x9000, but ...
I will sell the t9500 on ebay, probably this upgrade will not cost me much

EDIT: if anyone searches the google this should be helpful, sony vgn ar series dont boot with x9000...the highest you can go is t9500, there is a bios lock.

 

Unfortunately, the x9000 does not post with my sony, it just shuts itself down even before going into bios screen, but i put x9000 on my asus and it works, and did some throttlestop work on it, here are my results.

I have observed that more than 1.325 V is not possible on this machine with x9000 ; but x9100 i do see voltages over 1.325, cpuz does not show an increase although it is set to higher than 1.325V with throttlestop, I can get stable clock at 3.6GHz with X9000 c0 with 1.325V and this thing is HOT~!
I correct myself saying that more than 14x was impossible with the board, it is quite possible.

X9100, i get 1.400V and 3.9900 GHZ,anything above this just BSODs, and here are the results: as a reference:
11.906seconds for 1M calculation of the pi value, and the temps are stable at 70C during this, I would not dare to run a stress test, i am sure it will skyrocket.
good for experimenting! this thing does work, superbly.

 

could someone post their safe settings for x9300.

Also can someone explain what disabling turbo is as well as the steps to do this? I read all the pages, but quite confused on the SPECIFIC settings for x9300

 

Got a lapped QX9650 which does 3ghz at just 1.06V according to the seller

Watch this space... Gonna push for 4ghz in a 15" lappy!

@ Judas543 there is no "safe settings" every chip is different. Simply start at stock and take the multi up 1 at a time until it crashes. Then restart and back down to the multi before it crashed and start to up the fsb until is also crashes. Voila you will have found your maximum OC. Of course watch temps and no doubt you will hit temp limits first before fsb/multi limits. Just keeps your QX9300 below 80C and you will be golden.

 

how about what voltage settings is safe for my m17x R-1 x9300?

I'm using the brick that came with the m17x, so just wondering what is the safe recommended voltage level i can increase up to using ThrottleStop?

Is it safe to go to 1.3~1.4?

 

I dont think moral hazard thought the mere 600mhz was worth it. However what is worth it is the 10w TDP difference which could easily have you idling at 70c

 

Could use PhoenixTool to replace the bios CPU microcode with one supporting X9000. Just ensure you have the emergency recovery procedure figured out before flashing the modded bios.

 

do you have any examples of this ? how to do procedure...
What to do you think of the success chance?

 

Heh nice, i unlocked the 4th core on the AMD 720 BE.

 

I wish that was possible with mobile AMD CPUs.

 

You'd have to scour the forums for an answer. Pretty much if involves decompressing your bios, identifying the microcode module, replacing it one that supports a X9000, repacking the bios and flashing. A contingency plan if the flash goes wrong is recommended.

If you became very good at bios modding, could even try to do a dualIDA mod for your 2730P so the SL9600-2.13 would run at 2.4Ghz. The mod details are here. You'd use PhoenixTool and/or ezH2o to decompress the bios and TTAV134's modified erompaq here to flash it.

 

question for x9300

could someone please answer these questions..

What voltage is safe to be at? i heard anything below 1.5V is okay?
Also do you guys keep the fsb at stock? or do you increase it first and run throttle stop?

 

The voltage does not determine how safe it is, it only affects it.
1.5v is just ridiculous and core 2 cpus where never meant to use that. But everything else just depends on the heat your CPU puts out. You dont want it to go past 90c under load.

FSB overclocks everything. I don't do it very much because it makes my RAM unstable.

 

Here's what the QX9300 datasheet says.



Maximum safe voltage is 1.30V when in IDA mode. If you are increasing the multiplier using ThrottleStop then you are definitely using IDA mode and then some.

To achieve 1.30V at the CPU, most motherboards require a VID setting of approximately 1.35. The Intel design includes some vDroop so you typically get less actual core voltage than what you set VID to. I think if you set VID between 1.30 and 1.35, your CPU should be perfectly safe for long term usage. The actual voltage will be within the above limit so you will just need to make sure the core temperature is below the throttling point.

The documentation lists 1.45V actual as the Absolute Maximum but you can decrease the life of your CPU if you operate it between 1.30V and 1.45V actual.

http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/320390.pdf

If you are going for a world record then maybe you want to do what scook9 does and overclock both the FSB and the multiplier.
http://fi.hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8055

You might have to reprogram the SPD info in your memory to make this happen.

 

I've run my QX9300 at the 1.300V VID for days without issue.

For the past 48 hours or so, I've been at 3.63GHz at 1.35V VID (13x multiplier with the FSB at 1120MHz) without issue. Of course, if I stress test it at this level, I'm sure it will fail instantly.

 

Rrrgh what is it with the m860tu and FSB overclocking??? Why cant 1333mhz just be stable. Then you only need x11!!

 

Hey Niffcreature looking at the link in your sig you seem to have almost 1333mhz achieved? Or was this just for a benchmark run?

I am thinking 350mhz(1400fsb) x 11 as a max OC for me once my QX arrives

 

Yeah, it works for a little bit, that wasn't even a benchmark run. I think it just makes the RAM soo unstable...
I'm using setfsb, which really does not support the PLL, so I mean we know just as much about why it is working as we do why its not.

One guy did it hardmod soldering style, and got it stable, i really dont know how its different. http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/428761-m860tu-project.html


Of course its totally different with you notebook. Probably more stable? 1400mhz and you'll really have to watch your RAM...

Have you tried it already with your current CPU?

 

Yeah I can run all the way to 370mhz which is the beginning of the redline for stability for my motherboard. I run 365mhz max for 100% stability and did use pc6400 ram with my old 4GB set but figured that I would benefit from the tighter timings 5300 ram uses as 365 is only 32mhz higher than it is rated for.

Are you sure it isn't the board that is limiting you? I am pretty sure they undervolt the NB in laptops to keep heat and power consumption down including my own even though it is a desktop P35 chipset. Naturally the side affect of this is a lower stable max fsb OC.

 

Well, I've verified that this works on my G71, I can cycle through all multipliers (only up to 10x ) and change the voltage (CPU-Z Verified) I will be getting an X9100 soon!

Too bad I didn't know about this program back when I had an x7800 in my Gateway...sigh

 

I just changed out my HS for the one they use on the Quads (higher TDP) in my gateway. I can now orthose 3.7 GHz, a feat I could not accomplish before with the x9100.............

 

i'm wondoering something since with throttlestop and an extreme cpu we can bump the voltage up in hell can we bring it below the default one?

using throttlestop with my curent cpu i found i was locked between my standar clock voltage and my low clock voltage

 

I used throttlestop in QAVR Q9200 unlock to 2.93GHz but when I run Prime95, my laptop BOSD

 

granyte: On an Extreme CPU you can use ThrottleStop to increase the VID voltage to as high as 1.500 but you can't go any lower than the default minimum VID which is locked into the processor by Intel. On some CPUs you will need to use the SLFM option to access the lowest possible VID voltages.

deathscythevn: Post some more details. Did it BSOD because of heat or because of not enough voltage? A BSOD is usually because you are not using enough voltage. When you increase the MHz, you also need to increase the voltage. It's better to start with too much voltage and then to decrease it if your stability test are successful. On some laptops when overclocking, you might quickly be limited by your CPU core temperature but that's hard to say when you don't post any details.

 

Thanks to your support.
What's exactly you want to me post ?

 

Oh awesome. I increase VID to 1.4000 and I can run Prime95 succesfully

 

I think a VID of 1.4000 is reaching the practical limit for most CPUs. How are your core temperatures when running Prime95?

You can always post a screen shot of CPU-Z and ThrottleStop while testing so other users can see what you're doing. Let them know if your QX9200 was worth the money or not. It sounds like it was.

 

Uc, a suggestion for TS. I see we can change the temp colors but how a bout for the GPU and CPU a 3 stage color via user set temps, ie on the cpu Green to 50C then yellow to 80c then let the text turn red? or 4 stage green to say 40c yellow to 65c orange to 80c and red above etc......

I know not a preformance tweak etc but some candy?

 

What's the best OC in Q9200 ?

 

you better lower voltage.. 1.4V is a little high.. try 1.2-1.3 something and than bump up if more OC doesn't work.

 

This is my Q(x) 9200 OC

 

RealTemp 3.60 should report your multiplier correctly when you start adjusting with ThrottleStop. RealTemp 3.40 gets confused.

Download Real Temp 3.60 | techPowerUp

ThrottleStop is assuming your CPU is a desktop CPU so it is using the wrong VID formula. The number you enter in TS - 0.1125 = Actual VID request. CPU-Z VID is correct so you can still go higher safely if you want to increase your multiplier another notch.

 

is SLFM locked on some cpu or is 1.0500 the minimum on some cpu?

 

Even when I have SLFM enabled I can only take it to 1.05V, so I think that 1.05V is the min for some CPUs.

 

Yea no kidding.

I guess I missed the news about realtemp? I downloaded it, but it reports temps 5c lower than throttle stop.

Here is my CPU & GPU overclock and 3dmark06. Well obviously I got my CPU to 3.65ghz (with almost the same multi) but that was ridiculous. I'm really happy that 1.275v & 3ghz seems to be stable:

 

mines not bad but i think someone else hit 4ghz

 

deathscythevn: Try adding this to the ThrottleStop.ini file so TS correctly recognizes your CPU as a mobile CPU.

MobileCPU=1

That will force it to use the correct VID formula and will unlock the SLFM check box.

Even I like using HWiNFO32 because it has a nice chart that shows the default voltages for your CPU including the SLFM voltage. The default voltages are set by Intel and can't be changed.

niffcreature: Intel did not do a great job documenting TJMax, especially for the ES processors. If two programs are reporting temperatures that are different by 5C then that means that the two programs are assuming a different TJMax value.

Reported Temperature = TJMax - Digital Sensor Reading

My best guess for these mobile Quads is 100C. Intel lists the QX9300 at 100C so the QX9200 is likely the same even though it is not documented.

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36727&code=qx9300

Let me know what program is screwed up so I can fix it. You can manually edit the INI file of either program to make sure this is set correctly.
The QX9200 CPUs with working temperature sensors are the good ones so it looks like you got a good one.

 

The Core2 Quads don't support SLFM.

 

Newb here! I've just read through a couple of pages concerning OC a cpu. I haven't modified a CPU since 2003 and i'm sure things have changed by then. I remember how you had to check the south and northbridge if they were locked or not during OC and if they had to be modified as well.

I'm getting a Q9200 as well with sensors:

A: Do I need to modify my ram and north/south bridge as well if i'm only using throttlestop?

B: My laptop (np8662 or M86TU) does it require more cooling then stock, or is that something individual?

C: If it does require further cooling on the heatsink, which products do you recomend for a sager np8662?

Thank You

 

ThrottleStop can change your multiplier higher on a QX9200. Your ram,NB and SB will all be left running at the same speed as always so you shouldn't have any problems with them.

The cooler you can run your new CPU, the more you will be able to overclock it. I'm not familiar with your laptop model so hopefully another user can let you know about your cooling concerns.

maximinimaus: Thanks for that info. I sort of thought that SLFM wasn't supported in the Quads but I wasn't sure if Intel might have built an ES with that option. It doesn't seem like it. I've yet to see one.

 

Everyone, I was just looking at this page for the first time on a a 1024x768 monitor. Can we please use [ spoiler ] tags for the giant images in the next pages? I mean not that I care that much but hey we might as well since we can.
Anyway.

I have the same laptop as you as well as a q9200. Firstly, I hope you have made sure your version of the m860tu supports quads.
As unclewebb said, you dont need any ram, north or southbridge modifications as you are not overclock the FSB, just increasing multipliers.

As for the cooling of the CPU and heatsink additions/mods, i would say YES, you need them. I keep my CPU at only 3ghz because it gets VERY hot otherwise, even though I'm sure it will go higher. but I've already done some cooling modifications.
Voltage matters and your CPU may be stable at a lower voltage, mine is at 1.275v.

There are 2 things I highly recommend to improve cooling.
1 you probably already know to use a very good cooling paste like mx-3 or better.
2 is to add ramsinks to the copper plate directly on top of your heatsink where it touches the CPU. You can add these long ones so only half of the tape is making contact and they are sticking out beyond the plate. Copper RAM Heatsink Heat Spreader SD/DDR SDRAM DDR2 - eBay (item 270442242626 end time Dec-06-10 01:42:28 PST)
It will help a lot. Definitely use the whole package.
good luck overclocking!

OK I'll do that. I believe its throttlestop and my tjmax is set to 105c. I probably screwed it up however by changing my CPU and not rewriting the INI file.

yea and the sp9400 which is not a quad does support it

 

Please post a capture of HWiNFO32 System Summary.

 

Thanks for the info, and thank you creating that excellent program of yours

Hi! My M860TU is running the intel PM45 motherboard (rev 07), and according to specs of the Q9200 it's also running through Socket P 478 (same as on my motherboard), or is there anything else I need to check? Can you check your motherboard and compare it with mine?

Since I've already bought the CPU it would be hilarious if it's not supported, but clearly my chipset should support it right? The specs on the Q9200 says PM45 and socket p478.

Code:

Motherboard Model:                                                               

Motherboard Chipset: Intel PM45 Rev 07
(Cantiga-PM) + ICH9M (Base)
Socket P 478
Southbridge: 82801IM (ICH9-M)

Oh I see, the number 2 option sounds very useful, one I didn't think about before. Luckily I have a whole batch of ram heatsinks in my desk drawer, not sure if they'll fit in a laptop though. Otherwise I'll just use the ebay link you provided instead

Thank you so much for all your help, and thank you for providing me with ebay links as well

 

Your motherboard has to support Intel Core2 Quads.
I have the same chipset specs and after installing a Q9200 in my HP 8530w I got BSODs. The Q9200 did fit mechanically but after boot it did BSOD.

 

Hi! Thanks for headups.

I opened up my board and checked the sticker bar on my motherboard

Here's my result:

 

Why would I do that? I'm telling you, yes it runs at 800mhz which I believe is 6x133mhz, I'm sure about the 133mhz which is what slfm is all about.

I wouldn't mind it but I don't have that CPU installed right now. Just take my word for it SP9400 is a rare P series, its just like all P series which have SLFM. Its a 2.4ghz p9 series, so its like the p8600 but with 6m, or the p9500 but at 2.4.

It has to do with a lot of things. What happened to you is very interesting, and I'm 90% sure you can fix that somehow.
-1066mhz fsb CPUs will mechanically fit in 800mhz FSB chipsets, so thats not really your problem.
-The m860tu and m570tu revisions that do not support quads will not POST. They will not boot up at all even though they have pm45. This is not a motherboard problem although it seems like it, its a BIOS microcode problem, and the newer BIOSes aren't supported by the older motherboards.
-I have heard a little about HPs Elitebook 8*30 series and quad support. I think in many cases people have said that the BIOS are exactly the same for the different motherboards, the problem is that they actually lack some power inductors to supply enough power. this does NOT mean that they will not work, but they can be underpowered and work strangely.

Hope this helps you get your quad working somehow. The CPU has to work ERROR FREE and have 100% full BIOS support to even give you a BSOD, just think about that. I would try reinstalling windows.

You're welcome, always happy to meet a new m860tu user
Those RAMsink are really very good, they are the best because you can make them stick out and fit more copper overall. Anything will work. Aluminum however is not very good for transferring heat at all.

Awesome! what great luck you have

 

Sorry I think we are talking about two different SP9400. I'm talking about the ES version QAVR which is a real extreme quad with a TDP of 45W and 2 X 6 MB L2 cache and unlocked multiplier.
As of my knowledge the P series have a TDP of 25W and only 2 cores. I had a P8600 installed in my 8530w so I know what I'm talking about.
Regarding SLFM mode of official available Core2 Quads(Q9000, Q9100, QX9300) look into the specs at Intel and you will find that all don't support SLFM. Why should then a ES Q9200 support it. Maybe forum member deathscythevn can post a screenshot of HWiNFO32 System Summary.
The BIOS for the various models 8530w/p is the same. My QAVR was recognized as a extreme CPU und posted ok. But as I said, every boot ended with a BSOD after the initial fullscreen with the Windows logo.
I tried also to reinstall Windows 7 X64 Prof but the installatuion always crashed shortly after the fullscreen. I returned the CPU back to the seller at eBay laptopmonkey. He offers still the QAVR and the item description contains the specs.

 

I think niffcreature is talking about the dual core SP9400 (like the one I have).

 

Yes, I know full well my q9200 doesnt support SLFM, thats why we call them q9200 instead of sp9400.

They really are not sp9400 at all, they simply show as that in CPUz because its ES. When talking about quad cores they all start with q.

 

quick update:

installed the new cpu it's recognized as sp9400 in cpuz.

Ran a 3dmark06 test everything on default except resolution 1680x1050:

3dmark06 test P8800 2.6Ghz Score: 6300
3dmark06 test Q9200 2.4Ghz Score: 5500


?????? Is that normal?

Also when you run both CPU tests my fps is like 1 or max 2 fps (still picture) I had the same results on both CPU's.

Maybe 3dmark06 is strictly gpu based so it's no wonder my FPS never increased regardless of CPU?

I'll be back again shortly when i've tried a few other tests.



New test using everything on default (1280x1024) Score 6385: SM2.0: 2553 HDR/SM3.0: 2303

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/364578-m860tu-qx9200-es-test-coming-soon.html

The ???? This guy with the same CPU and everything else except for his GPU: 9800MGTX got over 10 000 in his score???????

SM2.0= 46000
SM3= 4406


He's got double rating on all of his tests compared to mine using the EXACT same hardware except for his gpu..

???????