How to Unlock the Core 2 Extreme Multiplier in Windows

That is some very low voltage. What programs are you using to stress you CPU?

 

3.5GHz @ 1.0875v....that does not sound right at all

My E0 X9100 needs 1.288v on 3.6GHz just to be stable without immediate BSOD!

Don't be lulled into a flase sense of security whereby you can seemingly get away with a high OC on an low undervolt when notebook is idling; it may/will crash as soon as you start a new task.

oh i am calling BS on the "and punched the multiplier to 14x and it was past 4ghz" bit..... 14 x 266 = 3724. I know because i use a stable 3.7GHz OC on 1.350v.

 

I didn't stress test the x14 clock, I just did some basic apps. I did bring the volts to stock setting for the clock. I have been using Orthos to stress because I had it downloaded already. I'm not sure I'll be able to get the clock without a meatlocker like the comment posted before. I was getting up to 98c on the stock volts when I was first doing the undervolt for the stock clock. Last night I did the grill mod to back plate which lowered my temp a little bit. I'll try playing with the multiplier this weekend.

I'm not sure what happened but I tried it again and now it's not doing it. I'm not sure if I just was lucky or what but I did have it there for long enough to open a few windows and then I shut down the computer. If I would of known that it wouldn't do it again, I would have got some screen shots because I was amazed myself. I'll keep trying to get it again and I will take screen shots. Like I said above, I didn't stress it but I just was messing around with throttle stop and somehow it worked long enough.

EDIT: I figured out why its letting me do x14. I forgot to shutdown rightmark cpu clock utility and I had throttle stop going at the same time. Here is a screen shot. About the past 4ghz part, I was looking at the task bar. I'm not sure with both programs going if it really is clocked at 3.7 or what's going on.

 

The easiest way to nuke a Windows installation is to crank up the MHz without having enough voltage to support that frequency. Going for a quick screen shot is pointless if it wipes out some important files of yours.

I suggest that you make sure each step up in the multiplier is 100% stable before going for the next step. Lots of users get away with BSODs and locking up their computers when playing with these settings but it's smarter to start with too much voltage and work your way down than to try a big MHz number without enough voltage.

 

Also, RMclock is NOT accurate in reading clocks. Heck, it read 4.5GHz on the 2nd core of my X9000 when OC'ed to 3.8GHz. But my temps are 75-80*C average on gaming for an hour.

Like the rest have mentioned, do some stress testing. Not possible to run an X9100 @ 4GHz or 3.7GHz with -really- low voltages. I'd suggest Prime 95 or Intel Burn tests, or even your own games for a few hours. (Ha, I think with those voltages, a few seconds ) Watch your temps.

 

I didn't know you could do that. I'll be more careful.

I noticed that on rmclock this time as I mentioned in my edit on the last post.

It did crash when I had it on 1.2875 and put it to 3.7ghz without rmclock running. I'm not sure why but when I have rmclock going at the same time it doesn't crash until I do something strenuous. I'll do better testing and get prime now that my net connection is back at home.

 

If you go into the Control Panel -> Power Options and find the Minimum processor state setting, you can try setting that to 100% to keep your multiplier from sagging down at idle.

The multiplier that ThrottleStop is reporting is very accurate. At idle, CPU-Z will often times display the maximum multiplier to cover up the fact that the multiplier might be cycling a little bit between different values. The C States option in ThrottleStop will also show this multiplier cycling while CPU-Z does not.

RMClock is showing 4.74 GHz in the system tray. That looks great but isn't very accurate. If you put a load on your CPU, it really will be running at 3724 MHz.

If you like RMClock and want to continue using that program then just use ThrottleStop to unlock your maximum multiplier and then turn ThrottleStop off and exit ThrottleStop. Your CPU will remain unlocked. If you have ThrottleStop enabled and RMClock enabled and they are both trying to control your multipliers and voltage then the two programs will fight against each other.

 

Haha, seen that too. It's really comical. LOL. It goes: 3.4 - 4.0GHz... 3.4 - 4.0GHz... 3.4!!!! - 4.0GHz....

 

I was just using RMclock because I found that first. I prefer Throttlestop and I will discontinue the use of rmclock. I like how much easier it is to use Throttlestop for changing performance modes. I figured that both running were doing something like. Like I said before, I will try playing with the clocks this weekend when I have time and I will report what I can really do with Throttlestop.

 

good luck! will be very interested to hear what OCs you can achieve so that i can try emulate them.

havent really invested a lot of time undervolting @ 3.7GHz though i reckon i could go lower than 1.350v.

EDIT: I seem to be good on 3.99GHz (15.0x multiplier) on 1.450v. Idling at 68C, Load at 98C. Can multitask or game for prolonged periods of time without BSODing. However, streesing the CPU with OCCT linpack or Orthos will cause my 7805u to shutdown as temps skyrocket past X9100 TJMax (105C) in a matter of minutes

 

is throttlestop working on i7-720qm in G73s or what? What can i do with core i7 and throttlestop basically?

 

ThrottleStop works on Core i CPUs but the majority of throttling problems are Dell related. The multipliers and TDP/TDC are not adjustable upward unless you invest in a 920XM or 940XM Extreme CPU. I highly recommend saving up for one of those and selling your 740QM to reduce the final cost. Either of those extreme CPUs can be set up to run 100% faster when fully loaded. All 8 threads locked with a 26 multiplier when fully loaded is a lot nicer than the default 12 or 13 multiplier of a 720QM or 740QM. Here's an example of 5150Joker's 940XM but a 920XM can also be adjusted to provide the same results.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/6614286-post1861.html

The 920XM is selling for about $425 on ebay so you can see how tempting it is to buy one of those and sell your 740QM for $300 or so.

There have been some issues with the G73 and battery power but I haven't kept up with it too much and I don't know if that problem has been solved with a bios update. If nothing else, you can use ThrottleStop to accurately monitor if you are getting the performance you paid for. With Asus, you'll probably be OK. When buying a Dell laptop, that is far from guaranteed.

 

battery issues are there in a lot of laptops.. looks like its been solved but i'm not getting an 920 or 940xm soon.. already spent 2.5K on it.. might get in the future when 740qm can't take it.

 

Can anyone please run Cinebench 10 benchmark with overclocked qx9200/ qx9300? I'm trying to decide if increase will justify the cost over my t9900.
Thank you!

 

The QX9200 and the T9900 sell for the exact same price on ebay so if you bought one and sold the other; this upgrade wouldn't cost you anything.

Here's what you should have your eyes on.
http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-CORE-QUAD-Q9200-2-40GHZ-12M-1066Mhz-best-version-/140425013319?pt=CPUs

3D rendering is what quad core processors are designed for. How big an increase in performance you see will depend on how much you decide to over clock your new QX9200. Good ones are able to run reliably at close to 3.5 GHz so should be able to render an image in half as much time as a T9900.

I don't own a mobile QX CPU but I do have access to a desktop QX9650 which I can adjust the bus speed and multiplier so it runs very similar to a QX9200/QX9300. If this would help you decide then let me know what speed you would like to see a Cinebench 10 benchmark run at and I'll see what I can do.

 

if they're both of the same price , QX9200 would be excellent.. u could OC to 3.0GHz and see the real difference in between a T9900 and a quad

 

Thanks!
Can you please run it at around 3.2 ghz if possible.
My desktop chip is a x980 @ 4.5ghz which is a monster - so laptop does feel slow. If quad-core laptop will give me 50% of desktop performance i will be very happy.

My current t9900 results :
Processor : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9900 @ 3.06GHz
MHz : 3060
Number of CPUs : 2
Operating System : WINDOWS 64 BIT 6.1.7600

Graphics Card : Quadro FX 3700M/PCI/SSE2
Resolution : <fill this out>
Color Depth : <fill this out>

****************************************************

Rendering (Single CPU): 3820 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 7274 CB-CPU

Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.90

Shading (OpenGL Standard) : 4917 CB-GFX

 

I adjusted my QX9650 to 12 x 266.67 = 3200 MHz so it should have similar CPU performance to a QX9200/QX9300 when they are running the same speed.

This motherboard uses the older P965 chipset and DDR2 memory so maybe that's why it's behind your single CPU score. My guess is that a QX9200 at 3.2 GHz on your board should give you scores about 8% to 10% better than my scores.



This upgrade is worth it if you do a lot of heavy multi-tasking or rendering but for many things, you probably won't see any significant difference.

 

Thanks a lot Unclewebb! So it will be almost 2x speed up in rendering time - I'm using the laptop with 3ds max at least 4-5 days/month so it will be a huge improvement.
I just ordered a quad on ebay, will see how it goes.

 

Thanks for this great software!!

I started to overclock my Q9200 but seems kinda hard to go further than 2.8Ghz at 1.20v, quite bad compared with the amazing results I've seen in the thread

 

Well it seems I wasn't able to get my x9100 past 3.6 ghz stable at 1.35v. The heat is to high on this C0 cpu. When it cools off in December I will try to go higher or drive up north where the temps are like 0 degrees and try it there. I wish I had a meat locker handy! These arizona temps make it hard to overclock because I keep the house at like 80ish. I did think of a way to put water cooling on this notebook but I don't have the money to invest in the watercooling compents or know how to fiberglass very well. Has anyone else made or came out with a watercooling laptop?

 

u need more voltage...

there's no such thing... u should find an E0 stepping CPU.. it will be more stable but seriously 3.6GHz is already awesome...

 

Not enough cooling, around 1.25v seems to be the limit

 

O darn, when I get a better paying job I will make one because I have the perfect idea for it. 3.6 is good enough especially on the C0. I usually just keep it at 3.06 because it seems to be fine for what I do and it stays cooler! I would have bought an E0 if I would have found one at the time. Still, just having this processors makes life much better over the dinky 2.13 I had. I'm glad for throttle stop as well. This program is really awesome and makes life easier for undervolting/overclocking and locking the processor at the max multiplier.

 

Hello Everyone.

i managed to get my Q9200 that actually came today from china, up to 3450Mhz and run a 3D06.

here are the results



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3458 MHz seems to be a magic number for the QX9200 as long as you give them a little extra voltage. Core temperatures are usually still OK at this level. No need to rush out and get a Core i7. An overclocked QX9200 combined with a GTX 280M should make for a great gaming rig.

Now you just have to update your sig. How about 3458 MHz QX9200?

If CPU-Z is reporting a low VID at idle, maybe check to make sure that you are on the high performance profile in the power options and set the minimum processor state to 100%. That might help keep the VID steady.

Edit: You need to add MobileCPU=1 to the ThrottleStop.ini file so this ES CPU is correctly recognized.

 

unclewebb that was something i didn´t understand. i read the process and it seems that cpuz is displaying less voltage that throttlestop show.

in windows i set max performance and minimun processor state to 100% but the voltages displayed are different so i don´t know what´s happening

i had to go back to 3.05ghz and lower the voltage because in wprime @ 3.45Ghz the temps are insane.

 

Excuse me, I haven't understood...wich software do you rely on for CPU temps? because CPUID Hardware MOnitor is giving me values about 5°C cooler than ThrottleStop!!
However mine ES Q174 X9000 is stable 3.6 1.350v and 3.8 1.450 but temps are way too high!

 

Another 3D06 run, this time the cpu is @ 3.6ghz

it seems that my cpu can only be overclocked up to 14 multiplier (3.72GHz) if i set the multi to 14.5 or 15 no matter what voltage i set, the speed stays locked on 3.72GHz.

even with my modded heatsink in my clevo, the temps are pretty high just for a 3dmark run




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Temperature reading in computers have never been, and never will be "accurate". In all, it's just about a 5*C difference between the two. Just pick one. In short, let's just say your CPU is roaming approximately at those temps.

That's what you will get for an overclocked processor at very high 1.4v voltages and at very high 1.2GHz overclock speeds. You cannot expect it to run in the 70s. The mid 80s is actually fine for the CPU especially at those speeds and voltages. My X9000 @ 4GHz also runs at that temp. But it proved to be unstable, so I backed down to 3.8GHz, 1.4500v. Its about 70*C + while gaming. Prime95 about 88*C, for half an hour, and it doesn't throttle down.

The TJMax for CPUs are 105*C. So as the QX9200 and QX9300s. Now, your goal is, set yourself a thermal budget; you just need to constantly maintain the CPU at the 80s -maximum- for all tasks you do on your machine. That is something that is generally difficult to do for most machines. Intel also recommends the CPU at least below 85-90*C for full optimum.

For a QX9200 (and as well the QX9300) the golden speed is 3 - 3.4GHz, temperatures in the 70s and mid 80s maximum, depending on the notebook's cooling efficiency.

Also, the -max- recommended voltages for any Core 2 CPU is 1.400v, try not to run it at 1.500v max constantly.

See the Intel Datasheet for more information of your CPU.

 

Here is the Intel spec sheet for an X9000.

Intel® Core?2 Extreme Processor X9000 (6M Cache, 2.80 GHz, 800 MHz FSB) with SPEC Code(s) SLAQJ, SLAZ3

It lists the maximum safe Tjunction temperature as 105C. You can look in the ThrottleStop.ini configuration file and you should see that value.

If you go into the CPUID Hardware monitor configuration file called hwmonitorw.ini, you will likely see the value 100. If you correct that error then both programs should be reporting the same core temperature. There might be slight differences based on the timing of reading the sensor but a consistent 5C difference is usually a good sign that one program is using the wrong TJMax value. In HWMonitor it should look like this.

CPU_0_TJMAX=105.0

You don't have to worry too much about your core temperature as long as your CPU is stable. Intel rates their CPUs to be stable right up to the thermal throttling point. As long as you are a few degrees away from there and your CPU is stable then no worries.

I figured out why ThrottleStop is not reporting your VID correctly. You have an ES CPU and it is not correctly recognizing that as a mobile CPU. To fix this just go into the ThrottleStop.ini configuration file and add this:

MobileCPU=1

CPU-Z is reporting correctly and ThrottleStop is wrong.

The Quad mobile CPUs like the QX9300 are TJMax=100C.

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?i...or+QX9300+(12M+Cache,+2.53+GHz,+1066+MHz+FSB)

Edit: One thing very few people seem to be doing is using the Alarm function in ThrottleStop. You can set up a very aggressive high speed profile as your primary profile for gaming and then set an alarm at about 80C or 85C and have ThrottleStop shift to a second profile at a lower speed and VID to keep the heat in check without sacrificing too much performance. As soon as the core temperature is back under your maximum limit, the CPU will automatically go back up to your full overclock speed. This is a great hands off feature once set up correctly.

 

Unclewebb. i didn't know about the alarm function of throttlestop.

is awesome i just ran a wprime1024 and saw it in action.

i can play without worries of overheating the cpu.

+REP

now the voltages reported by cpuz and throttlestop are the same

thank you and my sign is edited

 

Running your QX9200 with a 13 multiplier instead of the default 9 multiplier is a 44% increase in performance. Not bad for a days work.

Glad I could help. The QX9200 is an incredible CPU at its current ebay price. Lucky those sellers in China don't know too much about ThrottleStop or else the price would go up and up and up.

I'll try to add a Desktop / Mobile switch to ThrottleStop like RM Clock has so users won't have to edit the INI file anymore to correct the VID when an ES CPU is not correctly identified as a mobile CPU.

Edit: Here's what laptopmonkey on ebay has to say about the Q9200 he is selling.

with Unlocked multiplers, some call it QX9200, could be possibly overclocked to 3.0Ghz !!!
this is the best edition of Q9200 ES, with temp sensor ,so avoid the QAJF without sensor

He's underestimating these beasts. Just search ebay for a Q9200 and you should find this seller.
http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-CORE-QUAD...ion-/140425013319?pt=CPUs&hash=item20b1fba847

At $278 with free shipping, that's a steal.

 

I bought mine recently form that seller, but seems hard to make ir turn further than 2.8Ghz @ 1.18v for 24/7

 

It will take more than 1.18V if you want your CPU to go faster. Not all laptops have adequate cooling. Your overclock can be limited because your CPU is running too hot. Is that why you stopped at 1.18V? What does your core temperature stabilize at when running Prime95 at your present settings? Intel mobile Quad Core CPUs are rated to run 100% reliably up to 100C so don't be afraid to give it some more juice.

 

Thottlestop is absolutely fantastic. Thank you!
What puzzles me is that it is for free. Do you have paypal account for donation?

I have an Asus G73 with a newly installed 940XM Anyway, i stumbled upon some minor problems in Throttlestop.

When using the Alarm function it switches back and forth between the profiles because the GPU temp reaches 127C for a second. The GPU is idling at around 50C.

The colors chosen for CPU and GPU temp is not saved in the .ini file.

Daniel

 

this is weird.. anyways UncleWebb , is there anyways u can make throttlestop a ocing software like SetFSB? It would make it perfect.

 

If you want to buy me a beer, download RealTemp and click on the title bar up at the top and open up the About... box. In there is a Donate button that is linked to my PayPal account.

RealTemp 3.59.5
http://www.mediafire.com/?vc6w5frn1gclpu9

I checked my account the other day and for the last 6 months, donations worked out to average 36 cents per day. That's not a lot of money for the time I put into my projects. That's why I removed the Donate button that used to be in ThrottleStop. It wasn't used enough. For some reason, good quality free software is hard to find so enjoy it.



The Windows design guide says that the X in the top right corner of a window should be equivalent to a user clicking on the Cancel button within a dialog box. That's how the Options box works in ThrottleStop. If you want to save the colors you have chosen then you need to click on the OK button when you exit the Options window. OK means save your choices and exit.

You may not agree with how this works and I don't really agree either but I'm just following the guidelines for writing Windows software. After pushing OK, ThrottleStop saves my color choices in the INI file without any problems.

127 in binary is the number 1111111. That's usually a good sign that the temperature sensor on your GPU is bugged. What type of GPU do you have?

What I could do for you is create an option so anytime the number 127 is returned from your GPU temperature sensor, that reading will be ignored and the previous reading will be displayed instead. If this only happens occasionally and it always bugs out with 127 then that should cure your problem. Just let me know if you want me to add this feature for you.

On my laptop the buggy number is 10 from my GPU. Not always but sometimes just after resuming from stand by mode, for 1 or two seconds as the GPU is initially warming up, the temperature sensor must be outputting a reading of 10 because that number shows up as the Minimum GPU temperature and briefly shows up in the log file. The room temperature is hotter than that so that reading is obviously a bug. Buggy temperature sensors are nothing new.

Adding SetFSB functionality to ThrottleStop would be a big project. Trying to track down information for 101 different clock generator chips is endless work and as mentioned above, there is no financial reward. The programmer of SetFSB recently started charging $5 bucks and some users were complaining that this was a lot of money. People will spend a couple of grand on a laptop but an extra $5 bucks so it runs decently is considered too much. I don't understand that attitude. Freeware programmers need to eat too.

 

At 1.18v the maximum temp running Prime95 is about 89C, and that's using a Zalman NC1000 cooler at its lower speed. I can run some benchmarks at higher clocks/volt but for 24/7 I don't wanna go further than 90C.

 

89C is a very high temperature for 1.18V and I wouldn't want to go higher than that either. I've never seen the heatsink on a MSI laptop. Most of the Dells seem to be able to run a little faster before hitting 90C. If the heatsink isn't snug with the CPU then find a way to tighten it up. I've heard some heatsinks are designed for dual core CPUs and don't work well with quads. If you ever find a way to run that CPU cooler, I'm sure there are still more MHz left in it.

 

Ok, make me jump through hoops....................

Seriously people, if someone came over to your house and unlocked your CPU when no one else could wouldn't you buy them a Pizza? Well this is the only game in town for that and a $10.00 bill to me is the least I can do! So a Hamilton is hitching a ride to your house, too bad PP picked him up and will squeze him along the way.............

 

Thanks TANWare for your contribution to project ThrottleStop. I think TS is good value for the money. If you like the magic that TS can do with your X9100, you'll really be happy to see what it can do if you ever get a new laptop with a 920XM or 940XM Extreme CPU.

 

This is honestly embarrasing folks. Just like me, most of you people gladly shell out $300 to get a 30% increase in speed. Throttlestop added another 30% for me. At $10, Throttlestop is a bargain. DONATE!

Oh man, now this is also embarassing. But in a different way.

I really appreciate that you are willing to do this for me. I have turned on logging, but so far i'm not getting any 127. Yesterday they showed up about every 10 seconds or so. Had a lot of apps running while i tested Throttlestop. I'll get back to you about this.

Well, you clearly stated that you also needed beer.
I have donated money to your account. It's friday, now go and get drunk!!!

Daniel

 

Exactly. You can get an idea of the cooling with this picture.



This laptop usually comes with a dual core cpu, except the UK version, which is the one I have and came with a Q9000.

Anyway, I can run 3DMark06 at 3.2Ghz and reach 11k and 4800 for CPU, which is pretty cool, so for benchmarking is not a problem. I can even remove the back cover of the laptop. This, in combination with the Zalman cooler decreases the temperatures quite a lot. So yeah, I know there're some extra Mhz I can get, but not for 24/7 unless I improve the cooling somehow.

BTW I'm in the Canary Islands right now, is kinda hot here

Edit: That little triangle is where the CPU is

 

Yep, the GT627 doesn't have great cooling, only 1 fan for the GPU and CPU to share.

2.8ghz isn't bad for a 24/7 clock.

 

Thank You! This may breathe new life in to my Sager with Q9200. It is recognized as a Core 2 Extreme CPU. Although I can see I need to be quite careful with all the settings.

A couple questions:

What will "Disable Turbo" do for a Core 2 Quad? Anything? I didn't know there was a turbo, so maybe just leave it deselected.

Also what exactly is BD PROCHOT? It's defaulted to on and have to go to options to turn it off. I'm not sure exactly what it does and whether it should be on or off? I've mainly just been tuning the Multiplier and VID, but don't know if any of the other settings will help/hurt?

 

A lot of your questions are answered in the file called "ThrottleStopDocs.html" that comes with throttlestop.

 

Good suggestion moral hazard. I built the help file into ThrottleStop so when it is running, all you have to do is push the F1 key on the keyboard. That's the standard Windows Help feature button for applications. Not very fancy but it covers the basics.

htwingnut: If your Quad doesn't support Intel Dynamic Acceleration (turbo boost) then clicking on this usually does nothing and it will remain checked.

A Q9100 supports IDA and can go from 2.26GHz to 2.53GHz and the QX9300 also supports IDA and can go from 2.53GHz to 2.80GHz when lightly loaded. Some bios versions have this feature locked so I thought I'd provide the option and then you can see if it works or not. I have no documentation for the QX9200 since it is not a retail CPU. I'm guessing that it supports IDA too but don't quote me on that. Now that these CPUs have an adjustable multiplier with the help of ThrottleStop, IDA mode becomes pointless. You might as well just crank up the multiplier so all cores can run at whatever speed you like. If your Sager has a decent CPU cooler then running 3.4GHz or 3.5GHz is certainly possible with a good chip.

NitroNitrous: If that shiny silver triangle is aluminum and there is no copper touching your CPU core then I can understand why the thing runs so hot when you are trying to overclock it. I guess Intel promised them that no software would ever be released to overclock a mobile CPU so no need to build a high performance cooling system when designing a laptop.

Don't worry Registered, you're not the first person to click on that X button and wonder where the hell all your changes just went. I'm going to add a pop up dialog to this so you will have an option to save your changes or cancel when you click on the misleading X gadget. Thanks for your financial contribution to project ThrottleStop. The odd donation shows me that people are still interested in my projects which encourages me to continue working on them, even if a garment worker in Bangladesh pulls in more cash per day than I do.

At least no one beats me with a stick when I complain about long hours and poor wages.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38481520/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

 

There is copper on the other side of that triangle, very polished copper that is big enough for a quad core.
The MSI has a turbo button to overclock the CPU, so they should have tried a bit harder when they designed the heatsink.

 

Which doesn't work in the Quad version of the laptop
According to the BIOS it overclocks 2% de FSB (wow), but it actually does nothing.

Now that you mentioned it... is there a chance to modify the Turbo button and assign it to ThrottleStop? So you just press it, TS opens (minimzed), and apply your profile. That could be a dream