I've Got My Hands on a i7-9750H. Here Are Some Benchmarks... Looking for test requests!

I got my hands on a MSI GT75 with i7-9750H early. I can give you some of the baseline specs here. I also wanted to give you guys some benchmarks that I ran. See below. I am also curious what tests you guys really want to see for a CPU centered test? I tested Cinebench R15 and a few others, but I feel like there are probably some more out there people care about. Let me know!

Another thing to note is that i9-9980HK (and others) is also announced, and it's a 8 core unlocked CPU that should be pretty close to the 9900K in performance, but designed for laptops.

Also, I wanted to shoutout HIDEvolution for sending this out for me to review!

i7-9750H
6 Cores
12 Threads
Max Single Core Clock: 4.5 Ghz
All Core Clock: 4.0
Full Load Power Draw: 55-60 Watts
Maintains 3.99 ghz steady during stress test



Of course, this is with a thick and heavy chassis with ample cooling, so keep that in mind. This laptop also had its cooling upgrades done from HIDEvolution, including bottom chassis upgrade and Thermal Grizzly.

I've done a number of benchmarks. I've included them in this video here:



Here are some quick screen grabs from the video:







Came undervolted by -0.050 stock. Not sure if MSI or HIDEvolution did this. I am assuming MSI did though.
The CPU was unstable if I increased the undervolt to -0.080. So this chip was not undervolt friendly, though it doesn't matter much in this huge chassis. You won't get any performance gains since its not being throttled anyway.

Cheers!

 

Thanks for the results! Seems like we got a hot monster on our hands

 

If you want a good CPU test - get Cinebench R20 and test it against non-throttling 8750h. I think that would be the best comparison between such CPUs.

 

And run the same test over and over like 7 times to make sure the results aren't cheesed

 

You can set R20 to loop forever if you want (just set # of seconds)
So you only need to run it "once". It will just keep re-rendering and doing more scores automatically.

 

Impressive

 

Yes, though its only seemingly small improvement in something like Cinebench, we also have a bigger overall improvement in games, interestingly enough.

I will probably start using R20 in future reviews soon. I still see R15 used more often, so it seems more comparable still.

I always run a minimum of five runs to see if the chip starts throttling at all. If it's not stable, I typically run more tests to see if heat saturation builds up, etc.

That is useful! I manually run the loops myself with only about 1/2 second break in between for R15.

 

That's awesome. I am interested in the MSI GT75 TITAN 4K-247. It has the Intel® Coffee Lake HR i9-9980HK in it. But two things that bummed me out. One no 10 Gbs network port like in my MSI GT75 TITAN-094. And they did not have the upgrade option on the WIFI for Intel WIFI 6 (AX). I know I can get 10 Gbs through the thunderbolt port with a device I saw so maybe that solves one issue. But I definitely want the Intel WIFI 6 card. I think I read somewhere it costs the reseller like ~$17 (not sure if that had Bluetooth might be more with it but still).

 

Really cool they gave it an undervolt stock. Laptop chips have basically required it for the last few years. So many reviews blasted various laptops for having thermal problems, when it was a user problem. First thing I do is undervolt, and magically all the thermal problems go away. Many reviewers don't do this or don't know to do it and want to generate click bait with thermal complaints. This could easily be prevented by having decent thermal paste+pads+undervolt from the manufacturer.

HOWEVER, if this chip comes with a stock undervolt and is unstable with a further tweaking, I could foresee issues... What if the -.050mV undervolt isn't enough in a thin/light chassis? If you can't further undervolt, there may be legitimate thermal issues. This is just a thought, but I'd like to see this verified.

That said, I'm not in the market for a new laptop in this gen so it is all just academic for me

 

still some UV headroom left between -50 and -80 mV.... i usually test in 5 mV steps

i can see that HIDEvolution also tweaked the maximum allowed wattages and amperage in xtu, kudos to that u can bet that ALL tweaks were implemented by HID and not MSI, btw

what do you mean by: best cpu settings throttled the score? pls elaborate on that.

 

Well, there are actually 5 USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gb/s ports plus a USB Type-C that also supports Thunderbolt™ 3 at 40Gb/s.

I haven't seen WiFi 6 coming in any laptops yet...if you have, can you detail them please?

Right, but we are talking about a full size laptop. Undervolting the thin and lights will usually start at around -100mV.

 

As a product reviewer, I disagree that thermal problems are the fault of the user (or reviewer) for not undervolting.
Most buyers will use the product as-is, which is why products are reviewed as-is; otherwise, the review would be stating things (e.g. the laptop has no thermal problems) that would not be true without modification. The reviewer may undervolt the laptop as an experiment, but that wouldn't be factored into the verdict.
Your last statement is easy to agree with: more time should be spent by the manufacturer to prevent thermal problems.

Charles

 

Right, but I was adding to the discussion. If the i7-9750h isn't stable beyond a -0.050mV then the thin and lights won't be able to be undervolted that far. That is what the concern was, but we obviously don't have enough samples and will have to wait and see (which is what I was talking about).

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you. I think the product should be good to go out of the box - I think almost all of us will agree on that. That said, virtually any gaming laptop released in the last 2-3 years (at least) has numerous reviews stating thermal issues. Many do not even mention repad/repaste/undervolting. What I'm getting at is amateur reviews (the majority) create a really strong voice that overtake otherwise good products due to minor failures by the QC team and sales departments. As an engineer, it pains me to see these carefully designed products be lambasted in the public sector due to cheapening out on thermal paste or improper voltage settings. I don't want to point fingers and say "it is this groups fault!" completely. Clearly, there is an amalgamation between legitimately poor thermal design, cheap QC, poor settings, layman reviewers, and consumer error. In the end, I think it is a systemic issue rather than any one thing.

I mean, I love my Alienware 13 R3, but if I didn't have tech knowledge and know what to do with tweaking the thing would be a disaster. I've spent time with many laptops, especially thin and lights, over the last few years and nearly all of them would suffer the same fate.

I'm also not sure about the idea that most buyers will use their product as-is when it comes to these products. Enthusiast level laptops and high barrier of entry laptops seem to bring a different breed of consumer than others. Of course, we don't hear too many of their voices since the as-is consumer is much less likely to do a review or post on a forum such as this.

Of course, it could all be assuaged if they didn't cheap out on paste, pads, and had an undervolt from the factory! I'm just rambling and repeating myself, circular logic and all! Interesting discussion for sure, thank you for engaging me. I apologize if I came off as attacking reviewers as a whole. I know I tried my hand at reviews and certainly don't do as good a job as many of our community members!

 

Here is an article on Intel releasing the card:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14169/intel-launches-wifi-6-ax200-wireless-network-adapter

As far as any laptops having it yet I guess it is up to manufacturers and resellers to start making it available. I personally do not want to invest in a new laptop without it.

Oh and many sites listed this for sale MSI GT75 TITAN 4K-247 but did not have it including your site that marked it PreOrder after I spoke with Ted on it, he mentioned potentially end of May for it. This is what my original post talked about I wanted a 10 Gbs network card like my GT75 has and I wanted Intel Wifi 6 in. Ted mentioned EOY on the Intel Wifi 6 which seems like a very long wait.

I have had my ASUS ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 for a while now and I want to use its Wifi 6 capabilities.

 

Yes, pretty much this. I remember a couple of idiots in Clevo P960 thread rambling about reviewers not undervolting in every review and saying nonsense like "everyone should undervolt", totally disregarding the FACT that Intel gave an extra voltage headroom to CPUs to compensate for manufacturing variances, meaning one 8750h CPU might safely undervolt to -125 mV but another one might fail at -60 mV, and reviewers wasting their time on undervolting would only give false impression to viewers ("hey the reviewer got to -125 mV, that means I will get that too!"), doing a huge disservice to everyone. Not to mention not every user might be willing to waste time on finding a safe undervolt amount or screwing around with Throttlestop in general (personally I don't want to rely on that even though I know how to do it).

The ONLY fault with thermal problems lies solely with manufacturers who do not apply thermal paste correctly, do not properly test for heatsink mounting pressure and do not calculate TDP of heatsink correctly (making heatsink too small with too little surface area for its fins).

 

again: there is still a lot of headroom between -50 and -80 mV. besides, please be aware that the actual voltage is important, not the maximum stable negative offset. so at -50 mV you could actually have a lower actual vcore than another cpu with a -100 mV offset, since every silicon has differing stock vcore...

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As of now I only see Razer having ax200 containing laptops for sale, if you select the 9th gen Core CPU versions of their laptops. But those don’t ship till May, but you can place orders right now. Dell I believe said the A51 would be their first unit to get it. I assume the M15 will get it in June along with the 9th gen CPUs.

Falcon I wouldn’t let the card hold me back on a laptop purchase, it’s only a $20-30 self upgrade. I ordered an AX200, arriving next Wed (unfortunately Killer branded 1650) for my Dell 7577. However don’t expect a night and day improvement on 5Ghz (I’m expecting 20-25% having read about the changes) but on 2.4 GHz it may make a huge difference. Also note that most current AX routers are missing new power saving/spectral efficiency features like Target Wake Time and BSS respectively. AX is still kinda in draft phase. By the time AX is actually common and final draft routers are out better client cards will be out from Intel and others anyway so people shouldn’t really let the card dictate purchase if a really good deal on a laptop is there.

Also from the perspective of advertised features like MU-MIMO and HT-160 working properly I feel Qualcomm based routers like the older R7800, RT2600ac and current gen RAX120 are better than Broadcom based routers like GTAX1000, RAX80, AX88U, and others. Last gen Broadcom chipset routers like the AC88U and R8500 downright actually decreased performance with MU enabled due Broadcom’s terrible implementation though the current iterations seem better.

 

I undervolt in my reviews, but I don't try to maximize the undervolt. Most 8750H CPUs could undervolt to at least -100 mv, so that's where I maxed the undervolt typically. I try to educate my viewers on how to get the most potential from their system, so the difference between stock vs undervolt/overclock so they can get an idea of the difference it makes. Sometimes its as much as 10%, and sometimes its nothing. Depends on the system, but I think undervolting is something that is good to include in my reviews for advanced buyers, and at the same time to educate those who don't know what an undervolt is.

I agree with you though if the reviewer doesn't mention the undervolt or make it clear, and bad expectations can be set, so it's something to be careful about.

 

While I agree most users won't undervolt their laptops, or tweak it in any other meaningful way like disabling MS telemetry or delete factory bloatware, for example, I would speculate members of this forum are not "most users", but rather notebook enthusiasts and most of them will tweak and undervolt their system and personally I would expect on this forum reviewers would undervolt and tweak test systems as a matter of fact. And actually, it could be a very helpful and important information if system A could outperform System B costing hundreds more, by a simple undervolting/repasting/system cleaning tweaks.

 

So based on your graphs it's really not worth getting the 9750h if you already have a 8750h? Mostly curious for gaming purposes.

 

Assuming you can keep it at full clocks, ifs marginally faster than a 8750H.