IC Diamond 24 Giveaway/ Reliability Survey

Introducing Myself, Andrew L. President of Innovation Cooling

I have a requirement to generate some long term reliability data from end users and so would like to conduct a field survey here as notebooks are one of the more challenging thermal proving grounds and as a group you are less likely to replace a compound once installed unless a TIM failure occurs which is a great basis for this survey.

In this giveaway we are looking for changes in operating temps over an extended period of time, after an initial test/post we would hope that you will revisit and update every few months so we can document any long term changes .

Instructions and Qualifiers

So to begin, anybody that has participated in the initial giveaway 2 years ago and posted a complete IC Diamond benchmark including ambient temps and still has the original installation in place is eligible for a free tube of IC Diamond 24 by doing a current IC Diamond bench mark on their laptop posting their results and linking back to the original test.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gateway-emachines/372333-official-icd7-thread.html

After having done so EMAIL [email protected]o complete registration with your complete mailing address

MAKE SURE YOUR OWN ADDRESS IS CORRECT - WE JUST CUT AND PASTE - IF IT IS NOT DELIVERED DUE TO REGISTRANT'S ERRORS WE DO NOT RE-MAIL SAMPLES

EMAIL ADDRESS FOR REGISTRATION -- [email protected]



Secondly, anybody that has re-pasted on their own and posted a complete IC Diamond benchmark with ambients of their results is eligible with an updated bench mark along with a link to the original test.

After having done so EMAIL [email protected] to complete registration with your complete mailing address to get a free tube of IC Diamond 24 (1 sample per registration)




MAKE SURE YOUR OWN ADDRESS IS CORRECT - WE JUST CUT AND PASTE - IF IT IS NOT DELIVERED DUE TO REGISTRANT'S ERRORS WE DO NOT RE-MAIL SAMPLES


EMAIL ADDRESS FOR REGISTRATION -- [email protected]



Third we will take new participants who have six months membership & 50 posts, the new participating members are to post your test results on this forum within the first 30 days after receiving the sample. Gentleman's agreement .(THOSE WHO DO NOT HONOR THE AGREEMENT WILL BE FOREVER IMMORTALIZED ON THE WALL OF SHAME WHICH WILL BE POSTED PREDOMINATELY AT THE HEAD OF THE SURVEY)

For the new applicants to register to register for your survey sample post IN THIS THREAD "ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS"


After you have posted your registration EMAIL="[email protected]"]Email[/EMAIL] to complete registration.


MAKE SURE YOUR OWN ADDRESS IS CORRECT - WE JUST CUT AND PASTE - IF IT IS NOT DELIVERED DUE TO REGISTRANT'S ERRORS WE DO NOT RE-MAIL SAMPLES


EMAIL ADDRESS FOR REGISTRATION -- [email protected]

[email protected]

Limit of 50 samples are available for new participants to get a free tube (1 IC Diamond 24 sample per registration)


Results will be posted and updated periodically and as a gentleman's agreement I would like all to update periodically to get a full spectrum of data and would be much appreciated by us.


.All the best

Andrew
President
Innovation Cooling

Preliminary - Any errors or corrections let me know.

When given a group of tests I select the higher stress numbers as it provides more resolution for the test.

Multiple numbers or a range of numbers are averaged to reduce it to one number.

Please note the ambient room temperature - If your room temp is 5 C higher or lower your CPU temp will be 5 C higher or lower. Take your room temp at the time you take your other temp readings.

Dust will build up in the systems overtime and impact temps so blow it out or clean before taking long term check point readings.

 

FAQ Thermal Reliability

EM's Spec material bulk loadings above a 90+ % for reliability. IC Diamond has a 94% bulk loading which includes 92% diamond + miscellaneous material.


There are different kinds of thermal resistance. One is contact resistance which the retail compounds mostly rely on by being of higher liquid content so they flow well into the voids and air gaps and with great or low contact resistance which enhances thermal performance so that end users are satisfied with the performance and enjoy instant gratification.

The Problem with Thin, Liquid, Low Viscosity Thermal Compounds

Low viscosity, highly liquid thermal pastes enjoy an initial success with low contact resistance but this also make them susceptible to Pump Out. Pump Out occurs when the system heats up, the joint compresses, and a little of the liquid is pushed out. After a sufficient number of cycles, the paste has shrunken in size leaving voids and causing a contact resistance failure. A variant of compound failure, Bake Out , occurs when consistently high thermal stress causes thermal degradation of the liquid. Pump Out and Bake Out reflect the research of many in the thermal community and hundreds of technical papers exist on this well-documented issue.



Illustration 1: Innovation Cooling has an ongoing program of reliability testing. Pictured below are some initial accelerated tests with some 3X10 glass slides,. Attached picture of test result was run for 20 hours at 150C, the center picture ICD is IC Diamond. The others are commonly used retail performance pastes, this highlights the stability of ICD7. The competition compounds feature the formation of voids, and span the range of initial failure to complete failure. IC diamond was observed to have no visible points of failure under these conditions. The picture is back lighted so the void formation is clearly visible


Liquid is a necessary component where thermal pastes are concerned otherwise you would be applying a powder. IC Diamond uses much less liquid so consequently is much less prone to failures as the liquid is wicked or baked away The shrinkage of the compound is almost non existent due to the low liquid volume content to begin with and so maintains contact/ thermal performance for extended periods and by design to set up into a crayon like consistency over time, still pliable and relying on the high bulk Diamond conductivity for performance as you are left with basically diamond held coherently together with the polymeric binders and is easily removed when re-liquefied with a solvent

So in short the reason it is thick is that it is harder to pump a solid than a liquid and provides a basis for long term extended reliability.

High viscosity or thickness of compound is a positive feature to seek out and necessary for for long term reliability

It's easy to design a compound for performance and it is also easy to design for reliability

It is very hard to do both in one package

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS"

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS


I did an ICD repaste as noted here.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag.../553003-initial-impressions-sager-np8170.html

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

I can test this ICD24C vs. MX-2, MX-3 and AS5.

 

Ah no I just bought a new tube for 25 pounds 2 days ago!

Great stuff though. I have only used it since I got a free tube 2 years ago and it is only starting to run out.

Either way will be re-pasting an Acer travelmate 5520 at the end of the month with ICD 24 and will post results anyhow. Currently the CPU hits 100C easily.

To start off the survey here are my temps on my 3.16ghz desktop quad X3380 in my Asus C90P laptop. Installed only recently with ICD24

IDLE:
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I have circled in blue the two temps that are not true due to stuck temp sensors so the temps are actually lower than displayed.

LOAD @ max stable OC (3.5ghz @1.225V)
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ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

I can test against AS5 & ASC result on my M11x R1.

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

I will repaste as soon as i get the paste!!! i'm so exited and can't wait to take my G73 apart

@IC Diamond: is it possible to post the software you wish us to use for the benchmark and also what benchmarks, idle, under medium load, under heavy load?? I'm new at these benchmark stuff and wouls like to be on the same level as everybody. Thanks

 

I'll just order a tube of IC Diamond 7. 3 Months update is too much work, 6 months update I'm in.

Cool offer though.

 

Do you ship to brazil? if Im in! Its completely impossible to find any IC products in here

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

 

I got a free tube during the last giveaway/survey. Just wanted to say thanks again and IC Diamond rocks.

 

Not looking for paste comparisons this is a time study

 

Not looking for paste comparisons this is a time study

 

we will ship world wide

 

That's okay, I can just post before after results as required.

 

"ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS"


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ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

 

can you update/benchmark temps from your original installation? free tube for doing so

 

Gotcha, ill be sure to follow what ever you need for the results.

I too love data points!

 

I can tell you after 1 year of ICD my prior P9600 in my 7805 had gained nothing in temps and when I pulled it appart the TIM was in perfect shape. not cracked or dried out and/or shrivled. This even on the gapped NB.

After having used ICD with its resuilts and reliability there is no other TIM that I would depend on. So long as applied properly it does the job and keeps on doing it for quite some time...................

 

Arg, not sure where I fit in.

I was part of the original test group and have been recommending ICD to everybody ever since.

However I do not still have that laptop I sold it, and I just bought some ICD7 3 weeks ago to upgrade my desktop with.

I would love to have a spare tube for my next project but currently other than my desktop I really do not have a machine to test with.

My G73 is a total pain to take apart for TIM change and it voids the warranty so not willing to do that right now.

 

"ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS"

I'm in for this, do I just send my address to [email protected] and update the results when I get the tube?

 

Sorry. You have only been a member since Feb 2011 (4 months). Come back in August.

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ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

Thanks for this great opportunity! Could really use some good thermal paste for my x7900. I'll make an extended review once i get it.

 

Hey guys, I found that my heatsink became discoloured (the copper making contact with the core), is this normal?

 

I would be more than happy to help out with the testing.

Im using the factory thermal paste and quite happy with the temps but since IC Diamond is hard to come by here in Norway so im quite limited in my choices of thermal paste.
Should i keep temps on both CPU and GPU?

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

Here's a link to my original repaste in the Asus gaming forums: http://forum.notebookreview.com/7419158-post214.html
I will post updated results shortly after completing the registration as well as my results while testing for overclocks.

Here are my results with stock and overclocks shortly after repasting taken at 21C ambient temperature:



09/06/2011 quick testing at 23.5C ambient, camera ran out of battery so i can't add a picture of the thermometer for ambient, sorry:



I will add results for a full 30 minutes furmark run in july to go with the three month period. My CPU is also on ICD, but unfortunately, i didn't take a real benchmark after the repaste. I will do so in July along with the update for the GPU and will keep updating both every three months from then.

 

IC Diamond 7 here in Canada costs $13 shipped, good for 3-5 laptop.

I'll post my results anyway even though I'll be supporting Innovation Cooling by buying retail once I get my AMD Llano laptop.

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

Have a new to me Asus G73jh that I'm wanting to try this on.

 

Thanks for the info. The one year mark seems good so far but of course needs much more validation. The 1-2 year data may be tough as I think there is significant turnover in general in this group.

 

got my tube!

applying today. thanks again!

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

just bin trying to get this in Poland and its frikng in possible im just now trying to redo the cooling in my x7200 with lapping and shims so this would be great since its 2 to 4c cooler then AS

 

Whoa, you got yours already? Not mine yet, and I was one of the first to apply.

 

Just got mine as well.

 

Got mine too. Will post the results tomorrow.

Thanks ICD.

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Well damn the Detroit area postal service.

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS.

Will try this on my new m17x-r3. Tried ICD7 on my g73jh before.

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

About this, I won't be getting my M17xr3 until the end of june. Can I still please take part in this?

Until then though, I will be testing on my MSI GX720 and my QX9100. Are we allowed to overclock and test as well, or should we remain at stock speeds? Undervolting as well or remain at original voltage?

And when applying, do we use the heatsink compress method or the card spread method?

 

We use the heatsink compress method.

 

Ehh... so I ordered a Sager NP8130 and I picked the IC Diamond thermal compound instead of the stock... Soooo do I go with that? Or do I still need to re-apply? (although re-applying it may void my warranty.. O.O;;

Thanks,

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

I actually monitor temps on my laptop continuously though, I could do weekly if you wanted
Been meaning to repaste my laptop, its been since November of 2009 with some AS5 and it seems like its starting to... dry out it seems.

IC Diamond isn't "capacitive" is it?

 

from what i read ic diamond has no electric conductivity, which is a plus if you get some on the board vs AS may cause some pretty sparks.

 

Then I won't have to be as careful when applying it to my GPU then

I kid, I kid.

Although it was a pain getting AS5 on my GPU due to a few things being on top of the die and being worried about it spilling over. I also need to look at my northbridge because recent stress tests apparently make it go up to 90c after a few minutes, and overall my load temps seem to have gone up 4~5c (CPU&GPU)

Maybe I'll take decent pictures this time.

 

ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS and to AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

now...gimmie meh paste!!

btw will the tube we get be enough for 3-4 applications? I got a few laptops I could test on besides my own granted i don't apply it wrong

 

You will get a 4.8g tube. Will be enough for 20 applications.

Here are the numbers for the machine in my sig w/ ICD:
(room temp: 25C)

IDLE:


LOAD:
(wPrime 1024M with 2 threads - CPU temp stable for the last 25 secs.)




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ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS AND TO UPDATE THOSE RESULTS EVERY 3 MONTHS

Need some thermal paste really bad, the problem with the stock Acer compound is that the temps are way too high - 104 degs for my processor while playing games, which is weird because my GPU only maxes out at 90 degs. Definitely willing to do this survey

What is the testing method btw, like running Prime95 for CPU and 3DMark for the GPU, or just playing a game and recording the temperatures?

 

Here are my temps for after the application.

Ambient: 24°C

CPU Idle (Browsing the internet):
44°C/45°C/48°C/51°C

CPU Load (IntelBurnTest):
86°C/82°C/83°C/85°C

GPU Idle:
50°C

GPU Load (Furmark):
83°C

 

Found a retailer for IC Diamond.
Its easier for me to just order the tube than getting it shipped from the other half of the globe. lol

Any advice how to properly apply the paste?
I read that if you heat up the paste with warm water its easier to apply correctly.

 

We are advised to use the heatsink compress method:
1. Clean out die and heatsink from any previous thermal residue (i use isopropyl alcohol)
2. Put grain of rice amount of IC Diamond on the GPU or CPU die
3. re install heatsink and apply some pressure to disperse the thermal compound
4. screw everything in and you're good to go.