Idf 2009

This Thread is for news from Intel's Developer Forum 2009 in Taipei, Taiwan.

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Specs below for Arrandale. (wiki image)


First column of cpu speed is stock, second column is with Turbo Boost on.

Core i5 520M/540M processors have an 15W cpu/10W gpu for a TDP of 25W.
Core i7 620M processor have an 15W cpu/10W gpu for a TDP of 25W.
Core i7 620UM/640UM processors have an 8W cpu/10W gpu for a TDP of 18W.
Core i7 620LM/640LM processors have an 15W cpu/10W gpu for a TDP of 25W.


Intel Sandy Bridge (coming Q1 2011):
Fudzilla

 

Well that's a little disappointing, but predictable news...

 

Preview of whats to come.

Ready for Ivy Bridge and Haswell 22nm?

 

Engadget has some photos of Pinetrail and Arrandale systems.

 

They've also demoed a functional (read: can run Windows) Sandy Bridge processor. I suspect if they wanted to, they could release Sandy Bridge by the middle of next year, but they're not going to do it because they'll already be dominant with Westmere.

 

Nice, also demoed was a 22nm chip.

video

Core i3 finally introduced:



I went from 90nm, now am at 45nm, and will jump in again at 22nm.

Also, tomorrow is the big day for Nehalem notebooks.

Anandtech Info:



Kind of but not really Netbook Processor road map

 

This is more like a future phone processor roadmap. They'll probably have different configs like Pinetrail vs. Moorestown.

One reason they won't be bringing Sandy Bridge middle of next year is because they won't be able to recover R&D costs of Nehalem until enough Arrandale/Clarkdale has been sold. Current Bloomfield/Lynnfield isn't really good for profits. Volume is way too low.

 

So, with these new CULV cpu, are going to see devices that back to being priced like the Vaio TT, Asus U2/U6, or the Toshiba R500/600? Or will these be at least half the cost(let say around 1k for 13in comparable to the Acer Timline)?

 

The new low voltage Arrandale's (Core i7 620UM and 640UM) will most likely debut in notebooks over $1k and we likely won't see machines priced like the Asus UL series or Acer Timelines until later in 2010.

 

At least that gives up hope for a newer Sony Vaio TT and G3 with a slight lower price, same with the Toshiba R-series.

 

USB 3.0 has arrived

 

Too bad that isn't and easy upgrade.

 

Oh look, it looks like we have an unexpected competitor in the IGP sector - Intel.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20291&page=6

That review

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Higher IGP clock

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Graphics Turbo(confirmed)

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Win

 

Light Peak
Intel



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I wondering if there is any way I can get this mobo, and cpu combo(or the update to the SL line cpu and mobo combo) into my TT. Hmmmmm

 

I'm going to predict, no.

 

Ssshh I'm just dreaming.

 

I've been waiting for fiberoptic connections inside the computer for ages.

 

Good observation, J. The SU9000 series CPU debuted at this time of year in 2008 and it took about 9 months before lower cost models like Acer Timelines were widely available.

I was thinking about waiting until a Timeline equivalent with an Arrandale 620UM or 640UM became available to make a purchase. I will have to rethink that because I would like a new notebook before the end of the year. I suppose I will choose from the refreshes introduced with Windows 7.

 

I'll believe it when I actually see it playing a game. Once you have decent blu-ray playback, the only reason you get a more powerful GPU is to play games. Intel drivers are horrible.

And your link is broken.

 

I would agree the intel drivers are terrible, however, from what I have seen the 4500HD has pretty good blu-ray playback.

 

That's what I mean. Once you get there, you will be wanting a graphics chip to be able to actually play a game, which Intel's drivers usually prevent you from doing without jumping through hoops. If they can actually run it, you usually have to play it at low res, low settings.

There isn't much reason to get excited over a chipset that can't do anything more than ATI and NVidia have been doing with their IGPs for years. IntelUser seems to think that Intel is actually bringing something worthwhile to the table in GPU terms, and I'm merely pointing out that I'll believe it when I see it - particularly since their drivers have always been horrible with regards to GPU's.

We been hearing about Larabee and how that was going to destroy the competition for *years* and there still is no Larabee part to speak of. I'm beginning to believe that Intel will make a decent 3D GPU about the same time that Duke Nukem Forever comes out.

 

Significantly better performance than what? Using an abacus and a pencil to calculate polygons and vertices?

 

Clarksfield demo:
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Video of Arrandale cpu/gpu thermals:
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Step too late I guess. Google cache still shows remnants of the benchmark:

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach....net+Clarkdale+Hexus&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach....net+Clarkdale+Hexus&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

A dual core equalling/beating quad core with early drivers and hardware, yea?

One thing is driver also improved vastly on the G45. It's not bad as it was once anymore. I guess the performance won't be top graphics wise with even this generation, but the difference won't be like today where it'll be worthwhile switching a platform just because of the IGP(like it does now...).

 

There is if it does so while using far less power. Because most people here are gamers, they don't pay much attention to the fact that the dominant force in laptop graphics chips is not ATI or Nvidia, but Intel. Most people don't play games (not the kind that require a GPU anyway) or do GPU-intensive work so what they really need is a chip that lets them watch movies, but also draws very little power which always gives you the dual benefit of a longer battery life and a cooler laptop.

Don't get me wrong: I'd love it if Intel or AMD put a competent gaming chip on the CPU die, but it is not going to happen for quite some time. High end graphics cards get the kind of performance that they do by consuming insane amounts of power and producing equally insane amounts of heat. The GPU(s) alone on some desktops use 5-10 times more energy than entire laptop systems combined (CPU, GPU, display -- the whole works). That's a pretty large obstacle to overcome.

 

(not disagreeing with you, just adding more points)

Top-end using integrated graphics? Probably Never.

Mainstream Graphics? That will happen in mere few years.

Think IGPs will be just entry level graphics?? Wait till Haswell timeframe when both AMD and Intel integrate DRAM onto the CPU and the integrated GPU will suddenly get massive amounts of memory bandwidth. There goes discrete graphics for mainstream!

 

Call me skeptical, but we've been hearing that same song from Intel for years now, and it hasn't happened yet. The thing with Intel is that by the time they actually catch up with AMD/NVidia in the graphics features, AMD/NVidia have already moved on to the next tech (in many cases by two or three iterations).

While the power efficiency is nice, that's part of the reason that Intel doesn't get it, and in many ways doesn't want to get it - less reason to upgrade, and lower prices. If they allowed any amount of overclocking or power switching so that the customer could decide for themselves how much power they wanted to use, again, less reason to upgrade. Good for the consumer, bad for Intel.

 

Intel multi screen laptop:

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It may not be Intel that does it. It could be AMD. Irony since they sell discrete graphics. But by Haswell timeframe, the big hurdle to better performance with integrated graphics will be solved, by integrating DRAM and giving far more bandwidth than today.

BTW, did you look at the google cache link?

 

Light Peak is due to Appl-e

 

Also said Sony is like a 1st Tier company.

 

More on Arrandale:

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Thanks for posting that.

Perlmutter sure is enthralled with models toting around thin notebooks. sells I suppose. Personally, I value the feature of reduced energy consumption that he finally touched on. I visited a Dell booth at a Windows 7 Technet event recently and looked at a Latitude 4300. "How long does it run on battery?", I asked. "2 to 3 hours" was the response. I am looking forward to the response being "8 to 10 hours" for most notebooks.

 

Interesting PDF's from IDF, full list HERE:

On DDR3 ram
On Intel SSD's
Ultra-thin laptop design
Real life MID and netbook usage

 

Hey Jayayess1190, can't access the PDFs. You have to login...

 

Try clicking the "Session Catalog on the side" link on the page, then re-clicking the links in my post.

 

Thanks, Jayayess1190!