Idiot with y410p + water spill

hi guys, I ed up big time :S . I got the lenovo y410p ...acccidentally spilled water over it . the machine was functioning when it happened. though I turned it off now. most of the water spill was between keyboard and the screen. and to the speaker on the right hand side. I have removed the battery and let the device to dry (since the laptop was on table, some of it went and touched the surface below (though I don't know if it went in, but it did defo went into the right speaker. )
Apart from praying, what should I do?

 

1. full disassemble and inspection, look at all the ICs and components look for dried water/liquid and corrosion.
1a, if it looks like new and powers on your good

2. two gallons DISTILLED WATER, alcohol and non additive dawn soap or the something close to (NO ADDITIVES)

3. catering pan (thoroughly cleaned) and griddle, 1 gallon distilled water, cover pan heat til HOT.

3. place fully stripped mobo in hot distilled water

4. use tooth brush but, preferably electronics soft wire brush (for electronics), go town use some soap, clean dry parts that won't clean use alcohol (then back in with water and soap)

5. remove mobo do not dry it, dump pan rinse and another gallon distilled, water heat as before go to town with another clean brush that doesn't have soap on it

6 move mobo around let the water flow over it

7. pull out mobo, let it drip and naturally dry fora for 5-10 minutes, used compressed air to blow out the BGAs and ICs

8. let Finnish naturally drying for SEVERAL days.

9. assembly with bare necessitaties, NO touch pad, speakers KB HD, cross finger and power on

10, assemble for real if no power trouble shoot.

 

Get a big bag that you can seal and put the notebook inside. Fill the bag with as much rice as you can fit.

Seal it for as long as you can stand to wait for it.

Good luck.

 

Fack , I don't have access to rice until shops open in like 12 hours or something - live in a hostel and mess is closed . anything else?? I am literally in tears now.

 

drying is the WORST thing you can do for it. the water leaves deposits that shorts out circuits. best you can do is dissemble and remove batter and soak mobo in water untill the above can be done.

 

Mill circuits? Never heard of that...

 

m is next to k on the keyboard. it's not a typo so spell check didn't flag it.

 

really, you are suggesting me to add more water to get rid of the water that's already there?

 

if it works now then i don't see the reason of the thread but, if it doesn't work and has already drive you have a CHANCE with my method. I do spill repairs quite a bit the worst spills are water vs coffee and soda which are thicker and easier to spot. water gets invisible containment that can't be spotted WHEN IT DRIES. if it can't dry then it can't leave deposits.

my mom didn't believe when she dropped her pedometer in the water i put in a jar of distilled water (i keep distilled water on hand) and cleaned it out with out all the fancy steps since it didn't dry out let dry till the after noon (happened in the morning) and works fine and is still working fine.

I got this idea form criminal investigators and evidence specialty form those crime investigators documentaries on discovery channel. they were talking about how they tell people to leave certain things left in water so it doesn't get corroded or damaged when the oxygen gets to it or when it dries.

obviously you don't want to put the dang laptop in the water just mother board. you specially don't want the hdd, battery and screen to get wet or be submerged in water.

 

The spots that you mention are salt deposits in "regular" water. Pure (de-ionized) water is actually completely non-conductive, and one of the indicators used to assay water purity is actually electrical resistance. (google "18 megohm water')

 

Definitely! i'm not sure if de-ionized is the same as distilled but, but, my friend in and stuck a multimeter in regular water and distilled water, the regular water actually put a reading on the multi meter the distilled doesn't. distilled isn't the most pure water but, miles cleaner than drinking water. I know water from cities in the US has other stuff like fluoride in it, my own water at home comes from a well and it has bleach and stuff in it (can't drink with out boiling).

i've heard of guys cleaning retro and old electronics with regular water which makes since butt modern electronics have such tiny leads and gaps between those leads. modern electronics also have lot more built in safety and protection than older electronics so i think that is part of the success rate i have of cleaning spill jobs.

 

I disagree. If there is no water for the ions to flow through, there is no short circuit possible. It doesn't matter if there are deposits of anything on the motherboard, as long as it is dry.

 

I disagree because water is not conductive, you can run electronics submerged in water or rather H20. H20 is not conductive it's the minerals in the water that are. that is why when the minerals are deposited on them other board it shorts it out, and THAT is why when i clean it like i mention earlier they tend to come back to life.

these minerals in the water are why the multimeter gets readings in regular water and not distilled or de-ionized water.

also you glazed over a bit of this thread including another post that further supports this.


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100424223425AAGKBnr

https://suite101.com/a/does-distilled-water-conduct-electricity-a147257

i'm not trying to be mean but, i think the question you missed is WHY do the ions flow through the water.

 

De-ionized is about as pure as it gets. Distiled water will get rid of most organic contanminants, but not ions.

 

What gave you the impression that I think that water is conductive? Without water, the ions can't flow. They can't move anywhere and are incapable of transporting electrons. It really is that simple. I can wash my motherboard with water from the Dead Sea, and it won't change anything.

 

I don't think you need to go that crazy. But disassemble and inspect for water spots, definitely. Then use high % isopropyl alcohol (like 99% or higher) and a new, clean, soft toothbrush to clean off the spots. Then rinse with some more alcohol. Dousing it in distilled water won't do anything for it, removing the water spots is what you want to do, to prevent a short. The only time I've used distilled water is when I spilled wine on my laptop and it needed a good soaking to get it clean. But key is not to rush things. Make sure it's completely dry before starting it up again. I think if you shut it down immediately and it's just water there should be a fairly good chance it will be OK.

Now time to look at SquareTrade for an accidental protection warranty. Not looking so expensive now is it?

 

Water spots can't harm anything though. They aren't going to short anything out. They aren't electrically conductive. Have you ever heard of them causing hardware to fail, or is it just something you feel like is true?

 

Well, water carries minerals. What's left when the liquid evaporates? What do you think is left? The mineral deposits are what make the spot. It's Calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, all of which have some level of electrical conductivity, resistivity, or capacitance. With the small electrical traces and so close together, there is definite risk of failure. So go ahead, pour drinking water on your machine, let it dry without cleaning it and turn it on if you don't think it's an issue... let us know how it fares.

 

then why when i remove the water spots does the hardware start working again?

http://www.lenntech.com/Data-sheets/Ion-Exchange-for-Dummies-RH.pdf

this document describes/says that the ions that flow through the water are the minerals (possibly carrying a charge?). if those minerals carry a charge or conduct in the water i'm fairly sure they can carry or conduct a charge out side of the water.

maybe your right and it's something else that causes maybe in my cases it was accompanied by corrosion but, that still prooves my point that letting it dry on it's own with out invention is still not a good idea.

either way when i've dealt with water spills, it's not good more so than soda and coffee.

EDIT: another things to consider is that laptops aren't usually clean inside, so it's not just what the water leaves behind but, what is stirs up and gets wet too.

 

I've done that a million times. I wash computer parts in the sink and let them air dry or put them in a toaster oven. We have a well and our water is very "hard." Also done with plenty of phones that fell in a pool, creek, or toilet.

Everything has some level of electrical conductivity and capacitance. Next time you see a water spot, test out the best multimeter you can get your hands on and see how it can't register any conductivity.

If the water spot was really conductive, it would trash your hardware when you turn it on, and removing the water spot would not bring it back to life.

Ions can transport electrons through water because they can move freely. If they are dry, they cannot move, and cannot transport anything from one place to another.

If you have electrically conductive dust, such as metal filings inside your laptop, I guess you should clean it out really well. If the inside of your laptop is packed with anhydrous salt and you get it wet, you just need to let it dry and all will be well.

 

I always advise against Square trade. Their 'warranty' actually contains a clause which allows them to refund your purchase price that you paid instead of repairing the device. This happens when the damage to your device has a greater cost to fix then what you paid originally.

 

Doesn't that work out in your favor? You could either buy the same device if it is new, or buy a newer one if the one that broke was old.

 

Isn't that a (very) good thing?

 

I don't think you need to go full on washing the whole thing. Take it apart carefully, inspect it, I normally just give them a rinse, especially since its just tea.

While dry remains from water might not kill it instantly, but if it gets a drop of water or its really moist air, it might just short it out.

Besides, don't know how well lenovo build quality is, but I've grown to appreciate design of my alienware greatly once I spilled some water on it, none made onto vitals, daughter board and most other important parts had a thin plastic cover over them, so I just carefully wiped and dried it.

Best to use is as pure alcohol as you can get, but distilled water does the job. Doubt you'll need to boil it down and all that, as it is quite extreme, especially since it didn't cut out before you turned it off, it has good odds of living. Just needs a nice guy cleaning

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