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    Idle Temp 63C - Toshiba XG3 1TB - is this safe?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Reprobate, Jul 30, 2017.

  1. Reprobate

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    Hi

    Got a Toshiba THNSN51T02DU7 XG3 SSD 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe, next to new only 7 hours use in Crytsal Info
    Drive is OEM of a OCZ RD400

    Installed with Asus Hyper M.2 X4 PCI-E Mini Adapter Card

    Its idling at 63C - NOTHING in my whole water cooled build is anywhere near this temperature, all low healthy temps sp nothing that could be heating it up like that

    I have an industrial fan which I am blowing in my case, temps instantly drop 20C, so it can be cooled but doesn't do it where it is, even though there is nothing around to heat it up either

    Any advice on this, is this safe? I can't always run this industrial fan in there haha. As a comparison my 950 PRO runs at 45C in the same case - with the fan can get them equally down to 39C

    Thanks
     
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    Newer NVMe SSDs run much hotter than last gen. The 950 Pro runs pretty cool whereas the 960 EVO is a hot mess.
     
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    Oh really, wow I didn't realise. Should I be concerned, this is normal then?

    Any cooling solutions for desktop known?

    Thanks for the reply!
     
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    Aside from pointing a fan over it, no, nothing else you can do.
     
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    So 63c idle is that gonna cause me any damage to the drive as it's not an OS drive it's running games for VR?

    Thanks
     
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    check with the OEM's specifications. Though generally, it's good to keep drives under 70*C
     
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    You need to use a thermal pad or other arrangement to dissipate the heat. That extra speed comes with the side-effect of extra heat. If it's that hot on idle then you won't get much benefit from the extra speed as thermal throttling is likely to happen (typically at around 70C). You can check for this by running HWiNFO, enable Sensors and make sure this includes the drive temperature and read/write speeds, dump the readings to a log file and then run something which gives the SSD some exercise (eg CrystalDiskMark) and see what the temperature and speed does.

    John
     
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    Looks like it runs up to 80c but I'm still going to look for a really good heatsink
     
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    I have seen throttling happen well below 70C (do a google search for similar testing) - those temps are ridiculous.

    It is safe as far as the SSD is concerned; but it is hazardous to the sustained performance you expect(ed) of the drive.

    When I bought my first SSD (can't recall the exact model right now) with a thermal sensor and saw 40C, idle - it was returned for a full refund.

    If an SSD can't be and keep the system as cool or cooler than mechanical HDD's once did: it is not fit for a current platform, imo. Regardless of the promised (potential) performance they offer, but which they could easily (if not cooled properly) not deliver.
     
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    Is that normal for Toshiba XG3. It's only had 7 hours use on crystal disk info taken straight out a new Dell laptop from stuff on the nvme. Wondering if it was cause of temps.....
     
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    It is problem with the drive, it gets hot very soon say, after full OS bootup. You could return it ASAP. It is the same drive that has been plaguing newer Alienware's causing SSD overheat.
    @Papusan can give you more facts about failing drive due to increased temps.
     
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    So its a fault on the drive? I've not had any issues with it yet. Might make sense why it was almost new in a second hand hardware shop when its an OEM product
     
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    It's hitting 81C on CrystalMark with low airflow and 72C with max airflow

    57C with industrial 18inch fan blowing on it
     
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    Go for samsung 850 evo m.2 SATA. It is cooler and faster.
     
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    A heatsink on the controller only is all you need.

    The flash chips last longer if they're moderately warm. Full board SSD cooling is bunk
     
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    Wow really the new EVO SSDs produce a ton of heat? Glad i found this thread as i might need to change my options on the laptop im piecing together.
     
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    Funny that everyone is complaining about these drives. I had two in my zbook g3 amd ran while developing games and VFX programs. They did not get anywhere near that amount of heat.
     
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    Thats insane. My Micron M600 1TB SATA 3 non-NVME SSD runs 37 deg C at idle.... nearly half the temperature! I would not want any storage media running near that temperature.
     
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    Wpuld i be crazy to say that their machines might not be configured right for the drives. I know HP issued a new driver for them recently.
     
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    Is this heat issues for all this model, I'm negotiating with NBR member to buy 2 X 1TB Toshiba XG3, Please advise.
     
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    Forget this model. +3/4 months and drive remaining life will jump down to 95% and further down the hill. Cheapo NVMe ssd's Dell prefer to put in many of their notebooks. Save your money, bruh. Buy whatever you want, but not this cheap piece of trash.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Thank you, really appreciate, I will do your advice immediately.
     
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    XG5 is better. Look at Samsung evo's or sk hynix or wd pcie ssd.
     
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    Thanks,
    Please let me know, if anyone know someone wants to sell any 1TB SSD.
     
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    Tisk tisk tisk
     
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    thnsn5512gpuk is the xg4 drive, which the cheaper with TLC memory
     
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