Intel 750 NVMe SSDs launched

No, I won't disagree (at the state both components are in today/now).

And, I agree that the best would be to have all components socketed and easily user replaceable (if we didn't have to give up all the other benefits that soldered components offer).

But feeling sad for archaic standards is not only a waste of time, it can bring progress to a virtual standstill if this is encompassed by the people/companies in control of moving the world forward, technologically.

I do not miss 30 lbs 'portables' from the late '80's early '90's (complete with orange screens). I know I am not getting stronger as time goes on and therefore appreciate lighter systems that are just as powerful and offer longer battery run times than systems of even from eighteen months to two years ago.

But to get to that next plateau requires changes. One being non-socketed cpu's/gpu's. At least for today.

I do not know what the manufacturers will try to force down our throats in the next few gen's, but I am positive that what will be offered will match the needs of almost everyone. Even if in different form factors.

All we have to do is take what is offered and bend it to make it work for our wants (if possible). If this takes getting used to buying a new platform when we want to upgrade our performance vs. simply upgrading the cpu or gpu, so be it. I've already made that transition a long time ago.

If this will be the way forward; I'm betting new systems to get exponentially more powerful and much cheaper as time goes on too. Win some, lose some.

1. Time.
2. Change.
3. Adapt.
4. Progress.

Go back to 1.

The never ending cycle of the 'life/tech' surfers for the last few billion millennium.

 

This is only relevant to those who put a premium on portability. In my case, soldered components allowed for a thinner, lighter notebook that is a hell of a lot easier to carry to work everyday. So for me, sacrificing upgradeability was worth it.

But if you don't need to carry your notebook with you everyday, and are content with a desktop replacement form factor, what do you gain from soldered components? Nothing. This is exemplified by all the desktop replacements from, well, everyone but Clevo. The Alienware 17, MSI GT72 and GT80, Asus G750, etc. all make use of soldered CPUs, and still weigh just as much as their predecessors that used socketed components.

Even if a notebook using soldered components is thinner and lighter than a comparable notebook using socketed components, that does not mean it is better. It is only better if the user values portability more than upgradeability and ease of repair. Many people do not, so for them, the move to soldered components is a step backwards, not progress. Soldered and socketed each offer their advantages and disadvantages, and the value of each is entirely subjective, so labeling one "archaic" is disingenuous at best. They should exist side by side, with each being used in systems that leverage their respective advantages. If you want a system that is as light as possible, you should be able to get one that uses soldered components. But if you want an upgradeable system and weight is not a primary concern, you should be able to find a system that uses socketed components.

Socketed components, especially CPUs, are not disappearing because they are obsolete, and Intel's decision to move to exclusively soldered components has nothing to do with them being better for the consumer. Rather, Intel has decided that they are more profitable (likely in part due to the fact that, whenever *anthing* on the mother board fails, you end up buying a new CPU) and can get away with things that are not necessarily good for the customer because AMD is a non-factor in the high performance realm. If AMD were actually competitive, I highly doubt Intel would have made this move.

 

We are really saying a lot of the same things viewed from different perspectives.

What we disagree on is that moving forward, socketed components will go the way of the dinosaur for portable devices.

With desktops, things will not change.

While the benefits to the manufacturer (Intel) may be greater with soldered components, I do not believe for a second that that is what is pushing them there. Smaller, thinner, lighter does not happen by accident. That is what people have shown manufacturers to seem they want (thanks fruity company, not...) and they are giving them what they wish.

Note that just because a chassis uses soldered components, that doesn't mean it will weigh less. Just means if it doesn't, the manufacturer and/or designers of the chassis are simply lazy.

And I agree that not all soldered systems are better in every respect. But we've both already covered that.


Going forward, I'm sure that nobody will willing take a thicker, heavier, higher power hungry system vs. an identical (performance-wise) platform that is thinner, lighter and more power efficient.

Presently, that seems to be highly based on BGA platforms. In the future, we'll most likely be debating on other archaic processes that seem so necessary too, right now.

 

The reviewers from Hardwarecanucks may think it got to do with X99 chipset being better with Intel 750 SSDs which HC used.
And that techreport used i5 processor while Hardwarecanucks used a much beefier i7 processor, so CPU may play a role with SSDs this fast too.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/791149-post31.html

 

Yeah, the platform (cpu+ram+o/s) affects every component attached to it (gpu, ssd, etc.).

You can't test Pirelli's advantage on a Dodge Caravan. Porsche GT3 (the 'platform') or higher need only apply.

 

Yeah, this an absolute top-of-the-line SSD. Why would you test it in anything but a top-of-the-line system? Especially considering the cost of this thing, it would only make sense from a cost/benefit standpoint to upgrade your motherboard, CPU, RAM, and GPU (if applicable) before worrying about dropping a grand on an SSD.

 

Well, NVME tying up four PCIe 3.0 lanes means you're limited to a single GPU on Z97 (unless you want to run CrossFire in x8/x4 config), so perhaps NVMe was never really intended for Z97. Also makes sense now that Z170/Skylake is supposed to come with 20 PCIe 3.0 lanes instead of the standard 16.

Cost aside, can't NVMe my X79 setup, plus I refuse to be a beta tester early adopter for something as important as storage, so I'll be sitting on the sideline until Skylake-E at the earliest. Hopefully DDR4 prices will drop even more with lower latency offerings out in 2016.

 

I'm interested to see what Clevo do with Skylake + NVME SSD's in their new machine in H2 2015... Probably going to buy that!

 

First consumer board to support NVMe: http://www.maximumpc.com/asus_tuf_s...nsumer_board_support_nvm_express_storage_2015

 

Samsung will very soon come out with SM951 with NVMe. M2 SSDs that notebooks will be able to use (if you have PCIe M2 slots)

http://techreport.com/r.x/2015_4_15_Samsungs_fourlane_PCIe_SSD_gets_an_NVMe_twin/samsung-nvmessd.jpg

 

Cool, but the question is will it be over or under $1/GB

 

Probably slightly under
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SM951...?ie=UTF8&qid=1429135493&sr=8-6&keywords=sm951

This one is over though
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SM951...?ie=UTF8&qid=1429135493&sr=8-1&keywords=sm951

So say around $1/GB.

 

Pretty crazy. It's like 2011 and SATA III all over again.

 

I don't care about the price if it is nvme with say double the 1k-4k iops and ultra low latency thanks to the much shorter nvme stack. The only thing missing is the bios support.... for making the drive bootable... People, please stop saying you need to wait for new motherboard to implement nvme!! Maybe no support for legacy, but present systems: absolutely!
If the ahci-version price is where it's at, that's a steal
I would give an arm and a leg + nearly all my sequential speeds for snappy-ness and bandwidth during heavy io multitasking...

 

Yep. Im getting NVMe SSD when Skylake launch regardless price.

 

I have a new HP 720 g2 notebook (i5-5200CPU + corresponding chipset). The manual says,

does that mean for sure, that the m.2 drive will support NVMe? I couldn't get detailed info on
the M.2 specs though, it appears to acept both SATA and PCIe-type drives.

 

The BIOS support for a feature doesn't mean that the M.2 slot and circuitry is fully compliant.

I would be very surprised if the HP 720 G2 even offers PCIe x2 lane M.2 NVMe support on an i5-5200U based platform.

 

NVMe is too new. You're not going to have support in your notebook.

 

Then it remains to be answered once the nvme drives are out if they bring any benefit at all...