Intel Atom N series or Z Series???

I noticed that the Acer EEE netbooks have Intel Atom N280 1.66GHZ but the new Acer Aspire has the Intel Atom Processor Z520 1.33GHZ. Which is better? The Z520 looks like .3Ghz less but is it like faster in the architect like is Z series dual core or something??? which is better?

 

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=024322&cid=896.862.670

or

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=024283&cid=896.862.656

or

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=024282&cid=896.862.656

 

They both are awful. Intels "Pineview" chips are coming out in October which will be a MASSIVE step up from current netbook setups. CPU, graphics, memory controller, ect all on one 45nm chip. Its a waste of money to buy anything now as the new Pineview setup will be a netbook revolution.

 

So these pineview come with ION for gaming/HDMI??? Without ION will it work with HDMI / x264 videos or games? is it comming out with windows 7!?!?!?

 

Nobody plays stupid video games on netbooks. You REALLY going to watch 1080p on a TINY netbook screen??? The ION platform uses DOUBLE the power (or more) of Pineview.

Pineview will blow away everything out there once its out due to its ultra low power usage and faster CPU performance.

 

Atom N and Z perform equally.

Meaning Z530 is as fast as N270. Z520 is slower than N270.

Z and N use different chipset. Z uses GMA500 that can play 1080p H264 videos, while N uses GMA950 which has slightly better gaming performance (still very low though).

 

Why are you always sure about what people want?

 

I play Sim City 4 on my EEE. Yes Pinevie will be compatible with Ion, but alone it won't be a massive performance increase over current Atom. The main goal of Pineview is power efficiency, thatis why the N450 cpu is basically a N280. Also the platform will use the current GMA 500 graphics, just faster clocked.

 

Atom Z is for MIDs (More battery life) Atom N is for netbooks (More power)

 

n450 is pineview? So pineview and Z is for HD 1080P with more battery life etc but N series is for gaming/ normal but less battery life?

 

Yes the N450 is Pineview. The Z series was originally not even supposed to be in netbooks, it was for MIDs only. The new N450 will still struggle with HD content, but it will be able to play HD with add on chips such as the Broadcom bcm70015.

 

do you thnk ION will be THAT good? like play CS/COD on a netbook? but with/without ion, pineview can play HD stuff right like 720P to a HDMI port to ma 60" TV?

 

Acer Revo (Atom N270/ION) gets 1.417,00 3dmark06. Link

 

I doubt the new pineview will have much more gaming performance,but it should play videos better,and be more efficient.

Never bet on Intel gaming better than Nvidia

 

i do have to agree with Igrim that it lame to play games on a netbook with a small screen with low details but it wrong for him to assume nobody does. Also seeing HD videos without stuttering on netbook is impossible so it's lame for the person to see HD videos on a netbook but it wrong again for him to assume that nobody sees videos on netbooks.

 

Try this http://lifehacker.com/5342636/how-to-fix-annoying-youtube-jumpiness-in-firefox

 

I didn't really see the link but the bottomline is this. If u wanna play games at acceptable details and u wanna play HD videos with no stuttering, you need a notebook. A netbook is quite useless and does this things substandardly and not mention you spoil your eyes looking at the small text in the 10 inch screen. I don't know which dumb ppl would buy netbooks to see videos. At most you can use it for office apps , checking mail etc... but as long as there is the old N and Z series atom , it will be a bottleneck. Maybe with the Pinetrail platform netbooks will perform better, but my bet is on notebooks and i would nver waste money buying a small netbook. I wouldn't mind buying a CULV notebook which would weigh more but would be able to play vidoes and games better with integrated NVDIA or ATI graphics unlike the netbook with the CRAP Atom Processor and CRAP GMA950 and GMA 500 =useless

 

it sounds like your bashing a rather large population of netbook users. These netbooks arent made to play games, but neither are the CULV chips (which most if not all of them are running the 4500HD). If you arent interested in netbooks,fine, but you dont have to reply to threads bashing them and suggesting notebooks.

I do agree that these cant game much, which is why im selling mine. But it can do everything else I throw at it. Ive done work using Dreamweaver and Illustrator on it for class.

That link I posted is supposed to be able to fix Firefox so you can watch HD flash videos.

If you want something to boost gaming performance

www.gmabooster.com

 

GMAbooster doesn't actually do anything in terms of real life performance.

 

well at least the gma4500 in hd form has HD and blu-ray codec support, and with the C2D flash hd support. So those device got something going for it right now over netbooks which may be only a little smaller.

 

Yea but Pineview will replace current N270/N280 "Diamondville". In terms of battery life, Pineview will be similar to Z series Atom platform but Pineview will perform better.

 

Uh, I beg to differ. Warcraft 3, AoE 2, AvP 2, Raven Shield, CS 1.6, all run great on a netbook and are quite popular.

Although I do agree with your comment on Pineview. I'm curious to see what comes of it. Is the graphics capability supposed to be on par with the GMA 950?

 

It should be better than the GMA 950, in terms of video decoding. The current GMA500 is already superior, given the proper software.

 

500 > 950. I'll never understand the naming conventions these companies use.

 

In terms of video and the like yes GMA500 is better but for gaming the 950 is a little better but that not saying much.

 

Well, considering Warcraft 3, AvP 2, Raven Shield, BF1942, NoLF 1&2, and Comanche 4 ran reasonably well, I'd say it's a decent GPU considering. Hopefully the GMA500 will at least manage those.

 

You kidding? I own a GMA 500 MID with a 1.33GHz Atom. While my friend's Acer Aspire One can achieve enough performance for solo play on WoW, the GMA 500 based one got 0-1 fps and was showing all green textures. New drivers are supposed to run it at 5-8 fps, but whatever, that's still half the GMA 950.

Quake Live:
GMA 500: 1-2 fps
GMA 950: 30-40 fps

Warcraft III:
GMA 500: slightly laggy with little amount of chars at everything low
GMA 950: similar to GMA 500 but with mid-high settings

If you run any relatively new games like say HL2 or UT2004, the GMA 500 might be close to the GMA 950. Run any games that ACTUALLY has tolerable fps, and GMA 950 will perform 2x faster. It's shown in 3DMark too.

3DMark2001:
GMA 500: 1150
GMA 950: 2886

3DMark2005:
GMA 500: 150
GMA 950: 250

According to reports Pinetrail offers a 200MHz GPU, which they say its clocked 50% higher. That's true compared to the 945GSE on the GMA 950 based Netbooks, but if that's a GMA 500 which is clocked at 200MHz already, it'll likely turn up as slower.

Update for Pineview GPU: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Intel-Atom-Processor-Roadmap-Springs-a-Leak/

It says the GPU for Pineview will be based off Intel's own technology while Moorestown will be updated version in the Menlow. Just as I expected. Which must be why Pineview needs a seperate Broadcom HD Decoder.

 

Yeah GMA950 is much better for gaming and 3D performance. But GMA500 supports hardware H264 acceleration, unlike GMA950.

 

Basically even if the pineview series chips are powerful, there would be a need for a new GMA. GMA500 can play HD videos and not games but GMA950 can play games but not video's properly. Also Ion, from the looks of it, looks very bulky so it might make ur small netbook weigh as much as a MacBook Air or a CULV notebook. So basically whethter you care or not , netbooks are still pretty quite useless for doing this stuff and other than doing office work.

 

There's nothing bulky about ION, just look at Samsung N510.

The reason some other ION netbooks are thicker is they're using N230 which was meant as an nettop CPU.

 

I like how people are judging the first ION netbook as "bulky" because the first one is rather large.

So was the first cell phone.

 

Wrong and Wrong.

With your logic it's safe to assume it's retarded to play NES games right now... For the REAL gamers - gameplay is what's most important. Not the pretty graphics (not that it doesn't matter at all). And when you're on the Go, netbook does gaming perfectly. Dang it, NFSMW on my N10 runs like a breeze.

I can play 1080p HD vids on my N10 smooth as baby's bottom (not that I watch 'em on the netbook - read -> HDMI). Don't ask me to prove it, 'cause I will.

 

Haha, and you need Ion to play NES games? Any typical netbook can handle anything from Tetris up to WoW while "on the Go" - it just won't handle COD 4, which shouldn't be a problem because you wouldn't be playing COD 4 on a bus anyway.

You don't need Ion for that.

And REAL gamers would have a second more powerful laptop or desktop to supplement their netbook, and would also not complain and whine for the Ion when their netbook cannot game.

Congrats? Your N10 basically is the Ion, it uses like the same graphics chip.

Though, any Z-series Atom with the GMA500 graphics would ALSO play 1080p HD vids. Oh, and have longer battery life than your N10 to boot.

 

Well let me enter this thread again with all my knowledge....I dont think people understand the REAL diff between Z series and N series.

Z-series processors support Intel's VT virtualization technology.
N series does not.

If you plan on doing ANY VMware dont even think about N series Atom CPU. Its CRIPPLED.

Thats the main difference.

 

I wouldnt think anyone would want to run VMware on any atom, but I guess its a valid point for what its worth...

 

The main differences, in my opinion, between Z and N are the TDP and the GPU.

 

and why not? You can run linux easily...

 

I think there'll be more people watching HD clips or playing games on netbooks than people installing linux to run VMware

But hey, each to his own.

 

Z series was never intended for kids or people with mush for brains but for professional IT personnel.

 

can you reference that thought for us?

 

It may be interesting to know they gave Z series GMA500 with hardware HD acceleration.

I would think it has something to do with movie watching

 

OoooK! And IT personnel don't like to have a little fun then?