Intel Core i9-9900k 8c/16t, i7-9700K 8c/8t, i7-9600k 6c/6t 2nd Gen Coffee Lake CPU's + Z390

How many 9900K chips is reviewed vs. how many chips who will be made. And der8auer will continue milk money on his delidde tools and chips. All too soon put final statements on how the new chips perform in temp and clocks. But damn nice they can be delidded easily.

 

He discussed 8 samples, which I believe are the samples Asus used in their OC sessions to get the world records on the 9900K, etc. But, as I said, I generally support the soldering of these chips, especially since you can still delid without having to worry about heating the CPU and harming the transistors in the process. So everyone gets what they want. And at 8C difference, there would be enough temp delta that those enthusiasts, like you and Mr. Fox, among others here at NBR, would be willing to delid and apply LM to the chips. As for sanding down the silicon on the die, I don't recommend that to anyone. He showed an improvement, but I don't recommend it due to risk. But to each their own.

 

I think what were seeing here is day one release issues with BIOS as well. I remember when I got my 8700K on day one and the release BIOS was a mess in terms of voltage controls and this varied by OEM. Out of box my 8700K was trying to kill itself and MCE was enabled by default which was another thing on its own. Once that issue was fixed, MCE disabled and manual overclocking and voltage applied the temps came way down as did power consumption. I would chalk some of the differing findings up to different BIOS and OEMS for the boards being used to test as well as chip quality variation. It's possible he got a great sample that has a much lower VID or maybe he is manually tuning the voltage to appropriate levels.

There is no way in hell I am delidding and lapping my $500+ 9900K when it arrives (if it arrives). If it's crap, I will return it with Amazons excellent return policy and try again. And again if necessary.

 

At OC3D, he does tune voltages better than quite a few reviewers. It is also why his OCs often are higher than others (both him and GN had 5.2GHz on OC, whereas others had 5.1 or 5.0GHz). But, there is also the silicon lottery with reviewers, and after being called out for seeding golden samples on the 8700K reviews, Intel may have had more variance in seeding chips, or it could be solder variance on the chips, or as you mentioned the boards used, etc. We will find out more info in the days to come.

But, initial impression is it runs hot (coming from many reviewers and a top OCer), it is great at performance, the solder implementation is good, but still leaves something to be desired, but delidding is easy, so we have that. With power draw, get a board with decent VRMs.

As to value, up to the consumer, but many reviewers commented on the price being excessive. I tried to give the way I run valuation analyses just as one possible way people can run them, but it is ultimately the purchaser to decide what calculations play a role in their decision making process.

Also, GN will have a live overclocking session of a 9900K tonight at 7PM Eastern Standard Time. So, if interested, that might be a fun watch.

 

The risk with sanding is you screw up the protection barriers on silicon. Liquid metal will react in a bad way with the silicon. Good binned chips, good cooling, delidding and Liquid metal is the way to go. We know more how good the chips is after 3 months production. Jump on 9900K now... Be sure you get an good chips. Otherwise return it and re-buy a new again.

 

I'll say what Mr. Fox said "When you have lot of lemons why not make money by selling lemonade"
Maybe @Papusan @Mr. Fox and others will delve into Silicon sanding in few years to touch 6GHz. LM,delid and mods are already their Go to methods for best performance.

 

I'll buy a 9900K when they stop price gouging.
But I need a delid mate 2 right?

https://www.amazon.com/der8auer-Delid-Die-Mate-Heatsink/dp/B01N6T4LD9

Or I can buy a pre-delidded one from caseking if I'm correct?
I just sent a question to caseking.de asking how i can buy a pre-delidded CPU.

 

I like this guy, but his results seem "off" IMO at least as far as gaming results go.

 

Maybe also ask CaseKing about a ground down die - to der8auer's maximum grind + a custom (Silver?) IHS lid, also ground to fit the shaved down die height.

I wonder if there will become a standard grind height to match a particular custom IHS with standard shaved die clearance height?

I would think this delid and grind would be required for high performance LGA laptop use of the 9900k / 9700k / 9600k

The 8c drop for delidding + LM for the 9900k (4.8ghz) was nice, but I wish der8auer had continued with the modding of the 9900k for grinding instead of switching to the less costly 9600k (5.0ghz), as I think the grinding temperature delta would have been even greater. And, as der8auer mentioned, further grinding to match the 8700k height might bring another 5c drop in temperature - beyond what is shown here for the 9600k (5.0ghz):


IDK if CaseKing will offer ground down dies, or only delidding + LM, but it would be nice if they came up with a standard grind + custom IHS fitment for optimal temperature reduction.

I wonder if Silicon Lottery is going respond to the need for delidding and grinding on the 9900k / 9700k / 9600k and offer those services + a custom IHS?

Bad sTIM? Why is the 9900K so hot?

Spoiler: 9900k vs 8700k delidded die dimensions

 

imma buy one with a grinded down die thanks caseking

 

Did caseking say they would grind the silicon? I thought he just said delid and relid.

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How do you buy from caseking if you are in the USA?
When you make an account there is NO option for a country outside of Europe.

 

https://www.mailboxde.com/

I use these guys when there is some stubborn german seller that won't even sell to europe
They take paypal and have decent charges on small boxes and letters. I've used them several times myself.

 

You have to pay import tariffs. Why not consider silicon lottery. Ship from Texas.

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der8auer seems to drive the "special's" for CaseKing like the delidding + custom IHS, and I would hope he is talking to them about trimming the die as it makes a big reduction in temperature in addition to the LM + delid.

Also, I suggested asking, not that they were for sure doing it already.

"Maybe also ask CaseKing about a ground down die..."

 

I think they would want to reseal the silicon for the migration effects of Galinstan.

But, here is more, this one from PCWorld:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/331...ntel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-review.html?page=2

Spoiler: images from review

GPU encode in Premiere:


Gaming at 1080p Ultra, instead of medium or low








More to come.

These show that if you game at 1080p Ultra, Intel's chips loose a lot of ground compared to the low or medium settings 1080p that almost NO ONE games at. And if you are using a 1080 card, like he used here, or lower, you can see that getting the 9900K, or even the 8700K, it is game dependent on what rates you will get and any benefit.

 

nope, just hoping they would.

well fml u just ruined my hope. now at 0.001% chance getting it done, or i could just diy.

9900k is already a rip off so tariff at this point is meh. either go big or go home

 

Anyone else watching this?

 

Well still nothing to help me decide. I'm tending more and more towards a 6 core, because the thermal constraints of where it'll be going will mean the benefits from the extra two cores will pretty much be limited to where 16 lower clocked threads outperform 12 higher clocked ones, and it's a lot of money just for that... Maybe a 9700k but that shows almost identical performance to 8700k anyway.



https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-i7-9700k-i5-9600k-review/21

210W PL2...

 

prob get an 8 core turn off HT for those extra L3 cache and overclock it. either that or stick to 6c/12t.

unless i have the kits and confidence to not ruin a binned cpu with die lapping, or caseking/SL willing to sell the complete packing including lapping, probably wont upgrade.

 

Been watching for the past hour and a half

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Also, if someone from here asked about the 4C delta on Zen, that was Der8auer. Check his first gen coverage of either Zen or TR. Meanwhile, it may either be in the Desktop OC lounge or the AMD vs Intel thread. I went over it at length in one of those, so as long as it wasn't deleted, the videos should be posted in there somewhere (maybe from July or August).

Edit: JayzTwoCents's review

 

Nice. He got 5.2Ghz on his 9900K sample, but Tech Yes City got 4.9Ghz and I trust his knowledge and skills on overclocking more so than others. I am calling it 5.0Ghz average chips with anything above being above average, and anything below being a poor binned chip. Still impressive, but falls short of my own hopes with the "STIM" package.

 

Still seems like the best option for a high performance consumer CPU. Definitely seems like it's worth paying the Intel tax for this one to me. If I hadn't gone HEDT, this would have been my next upgrade and I haven't seen anything yet that would have been able to change my mind about that. I am looking forward to seeing your benchmarks after yours arrives.

 

this data makes me very hopeful ill at least be able to run the 9900k at stock/undervolted/cherry picked in my machine, would already he a huge performance jump

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The PCWorld review ( I watched the video) wasn't pushing the load on the 9900k for long tests, and so their temps didn't get explored under OC, same for Jayztwocents, there seems to be a lower limit of load that won't stress the test results / temps, but if you OC higher especially with voltage increase, or run the tests longer, the temps are a problem.

I got a strong feeling from watching the whole review video that PCWorld didn't really push the testing, and treated the CPU with " kit gloves" - no MCE and no OC duration load testing, favoring it for a good result. Or, more likely there just wasn't enough time to do it all, and we will get more wider coverage info from them all as time goes by.

There also could be some extreme variance by CPU that is showing up as well, maybe some don't have as good of results with their STIM application... but then again der8auer went through 8 9900k's and found the same results.

It's going to take owners reports on their personal experience with cooling, OC, voltage, and compare them against each other and the 8700k to see what's really going on.

If I were getting a 9900k I would test fully with OC / voltage / longer than benchmark loads - gaming loads - to see how my sample performed, and then decide whether to keep it or return it and pull another sample before delidding - maybe even get a couple / few to test to pick the best sample.

IDK what Silicon Lottery is offering for delidding / die shaving, same for CaseKing really, so maybe wait for those guys to get their acts together and offer full product and see what they offer / charge before buying samples to bin myself. That will also give time to see what's what with the odd variance in temperatures reviewers are reporting - there isn't enough consistency for me to feel comfortable that they are seeing the same quality samples.

Silicon Lottery discussion on delidding / shaving the die:

Coffee Lake Refresh Binning
https://www.overclock.net/forum/18068-silicon-lottery/1705980-coffee-lake-refresh-binning-7.html

deathglass
"Apparently Der8auer has not had issues delidding with tool, but he also found that die thickness was a significant thermal issue compared to previous gens. I don't suppose you'd consider selling sanded dies? (lol prob not, but I'd totally buy if you did ;P)"

Silicon Lottery
"If we did, it would be at a healthy premium. We'll play around with it but I don't think it'll be something we'll offer."

For gaming results it looks like the 8700k is far and away the best gaming CPU from Intel, given the small improvement in gaming results for the 9900k vs the huge price increase for the CPU, Motherboard, Cooling, etc.

Gamers - Don’t Buy The i9 9900K!
Gamer Meld
Published on Oct 19, 2018
Don't buy Intel's new i9 9900k if you're a gamer! Stay tuned...


Mrmhmd1993 54 minutes ago
"THIS IS IT !!! OH MY GOD IT TOOK SO LONG ! I've been waiting for some youtuber / reviewer to address the goddamn elephant in the room since the launch of the first Ryzen! I needed someone to point out that CPU gaming benchmarks are so deceptive and almost no one ever buys a pc and sets up his games the way they do, besides the fact that they never benchmark strategy games."

Joker has a poor overclocking sample, runs hot, so he's reporting stock results.

i9 9900K vs Ryzen 2700X | GAMING PERFORMANCE
Joker Productions
Published on Oct 19, 2018
Review of the 9th generation, Intel i9 9900K vs AMD Ryzen 2700X in gaming benchmarks, cpu-z, Cinebench and video rendering in Vegas 14 Pro. Also, overclocking and thermals.

Spoiler: Click to See Video

BorealSine 5 hours ago (edited)
"Intel sells hyper threading for an additional 100$, mind blowing how disrespectful they are to their customers. 9900k costs 3 times more than what I paid for my i7 4770 ~4.6 years ago. RTX 2080 Ti costs 4 times more than GTX 780, I could build quad sli rig 4 years ago with that much money. RAM is like 2-3 times more expensive than it used to be 4 years ago with ddr3. Looks like i'm going to use my pc till it dies and then upgrade to ryzen 2700. I do understand that Intel, Nvidia got their GREEDY investors that want to see 100% profit every quarter but its time to stop, they cannot increase prices forever, right ? Current Intel's price is just an absurd, same goes for nvidia. Just a single high end gpu such as RTX 2080 Ti costs more than my full build in 2014, mind blowing prices."

the halfecaste 5 hours ago
"Picked up my 2700x for $290 and not disappointed"

Laurentiu Dinca 4 hours ago
"I am not surprised. That thing is a beast. I wish I would have went with the 2700X and not the 8700K. I love the 8700K but the amount of money I paid for the 8700K isn't really justifiable. I could have went with the 2700X and saved money for more ram or SSD or a new PSU and get very good performance out of it in gaming. Plus the 8700K gets.... freaking hawt!! it's almost frighting."

 

well lets hope all those users put their money where their mouth is and apply some pressure on intel with their wallets no other option to force their prices to come down!

 

Is it just me, or does it seem like both Intel and Nvidia are going way far out of their way to discourage people from buying their newest hardware?

Too pricey, poor comparative price performance, skeezy benchmarking and marketing tactics, paper launch of products with no availability, pretty much textbook "stay away from us!!" behavior.

It's like they've both "jumped the shark" at the same time... sad really, both of them couldn't have done it worse if they tried.

i9-9900K 3-4 week delay for retail edition
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9omwrm/i99900k_34_week_delay_for_retail_edition/

Soliex 2 points 3 days ago
"Just had a chat with B&H and they are still expecting the I9-9900k to ship 10/22/18."

9900k Delays confirmed in UK
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9oqdiq/9900k_delays_confirmed_in_uk/

atalurk 28 points 3 days ago
"In Italy day one has been postponed to 20/12 what a joke"

Intel i9-9900K shipments have been delayed by UK retailers
Has Intel's shipments been delayed, or has demand been too high?
17th October 2018
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...shipments_have_been_delayed_by_uk_retailers/1

Why is the 9900k even delayed??
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9ppx8f/why_is_the_9900k_even_delayed/

"The chip is out of stock literally everywhere because the retailers didn't receive their shipments. Who's getting all the stock? Did intel just make a few hundred to send out to reviewers and blow the rest of their resources on chips no one gives a **** about (i.e. everything that isn't the 9900k). If that's the case, I can't fathom what's going through the heads of those in charge ..."

List of 9900k temps from youtubers
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9prm9r/list_of_9900k_temps_from_youtubers/

Fredasa 1 point 15 minutes ago
"Anyone else get the impression that Intel just might have been better off not releasing this refresh at all? Sure, yes, they did it for short-term profit from the faithful, but I think this temperature fiasco is going to wind up compounding everything else people already knew about Intel -- their poor value and well-known anti-competitive practices -- thus increasing the risk that the moment AMD actually produces a CPU that can match Intel's best in single-core, even the faithful will be willing to jump ship."

Inconsistent 9900k temps across reviews
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9pqm7x/inconsistent_9900k_temps_across_reviews/

Gotta love the serendipitous typo's

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9ppgay/bh_expected_delivery/
https://i.imgur.com/S58Ua4J.jpg

If you can't find the 9900k Retail box in stock, search for an OEM tray offering...

Well there’s the non retail packaging for anyone who cares
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9pjat6/well_theres_the_non_retail_packaging_for_anyone/

Amazon raised the 9900k price to $580
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9pl32s/amazon_raised_the_9900k_price_to_580/

Called Newegg and they said so far only Canada's orders have been processed today.
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9ppbk8/called_newegg_and_they_said_so_far_only_canadas/

"Got a Super-Visor and only the Canadian orders have been processed today for the i9 9900K.

No USA orders have changed/processed yet (Even the people who pre-ordered on the 8th and are on the top 50) He did say that a lot of people are voiding their pre-orders, so if you were an early order, more power to you getting yours before everyone else =D
Lastly, he said warehouse is now closed for today, so it's extremely unlikely that any US orders will even get processed at all today.

Also, found out that Newegg processes Pre-orders on a first come, first serve basis. Good to know imo.

Looks like we gotta wait until Monday now to hear anything."

Nithryok 1 point 3 minutes ago
"There just letting Canadians test out there new security software first."

Amitkpatel8 0 points 7 hours ago
"this must have something to do with the 'new' NAFTA "

Coffee Lake Refresh Review Day - Megathread
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9pkw0d/coffee_lake_refresh_review_day_megathread/

declio 62 points 16 hours ago
"Man...after being all-in on upgrading my 4770k/1080ti to 9990k/2080ti, I think i'm actually canceling/returning everything and skipping this whole generation. I decided a few days ago to cancel my 2080ti because of the small gains at 1440p v. my 1080ti, and now the 9900k looks pretty unappealing with little to no room for OC and completely negligible gains over the 8700k at 1440p.

I really wanted to upgrade for other reasons like faster DDR4 and nvme...but $2-3k for a few extra frames. What a disappointing year for both nvidia and intel."

 

I have much greater doubts about that, but good luck in your endeavor.

 

Fortis fortuna adiuvat So I/we wont know until someone has at least tried

 

Why is the Core i9-9900K so HOT? STIM test, Solder vs. Paste
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Oct 20, 2018


Of course the real reason behind the heat is... the power draw...here are a couple of reviews power and conclusion sections.

Intel Core i9-9900K 9th Generation CPU Review
Overclocking and Conclusions
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/10/19/intel_core_i99900k_9th_generation_cpu_review/6

"Looking at the HWiNFO64 screenshot below, you start to understand very quickly where our "issue" is. Our CPU package power is now at ~227 watts. This is 70 watts higher than our package power at fully loaded stock clocks. As you might guess, we are seeing a lot of our cores hitting the mid-90C mark in terms of temperature. Look for all the numbers in red down in the bottom left hand corner. Undoubtedly we are on the ragged edge for our cooling.

After seeing what we were dealing with while overclocking the i9-9900K, this is why I added the Threadripper 2950X into our data. When overclocked the 9900K is giving us much less content creation performance than the 2950X at stock clocks while using ~50 watts more power! This asuredly makes you understand why the ASUS ROG Dominus Extreme X299 motherboard that is built for Intel's upcoming 28 core processor needs two power supplies. 5GHz with a $2000 chiller all makes perfect sense now."

Intel Core i9-9900K and Core i7-9700K Review
Page 3 : Power Consumption and Overclocking
https://www.techspot.com/review/1730-intel-core-i9-9900k-core-i7-9700k/page3.html

"As expected the new 8-core models are serious power pigs. The 9700K matched the 7820X with a system draw of 235 watts when running our HandBrake workload. The 9900K pushed consumption 9% higher hitting 255 watts which is 13% more power than the 16-core Threadripper 2950X system consumed."

 

Finally got around to watching some of the videos and that 9700K is a dog. Very disappointing. Makes me wonder if Intel will prolong the life of socket 1151 should the 9th generation products not sell as they hope.


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And, you know Clevo will try using the same inadequate CPU heat sink as what they used for 8700K.

 

If Clevo was smart, they would make AM4 motherboiards for the P870. Ryzen 2700X so much more efficient and performancewise extremely close to the 9900K in terms of prodictivity. Cooling would be easier as well.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-i7-9700k-i5-9600k-review/21

Anandtech has rerun their 9900K benchmarks to check power consumption and they went down with the MSI ACE compared to the Asrock board while maintaining same performance. Looks like some early BIOS issues like I suspected and reported with my 8700K on release day. It was applying stupid amounts of voltage, and that is exactly what they were seeing here. I would expect with BIOS updates we will see tuning of the performance. The MSI ACE saw 168w package power consumption under full synthetic loads which seems fair considering it clocks to 4.7Ghz on all cores under load. This should have also greatly affected temperatures so I hope they look at those again as well. This explains some of the variations we've been seeing among reviewers with their power consumption and temps.

 

So much more efficient? Of course it will be more efficient with lower clocks Progress means higher performance, Not less!

 

Well, if they did I would not touch it with a 10 foot pole, and neither would a fair number of other people that buy their top end DTRs.

Clevo needs to focus on achieving thermal management success with what they already have, not compensate for it by downgrading the CPU as a half-assed attempt to mask their incompetence with thermal engineering.

AMD products are best for people that don't care about overclocking. Until that changes, it is not an option as far as I am concerned. I don't care about efficient unless it gives me headroom for more overclocking. Otherwise it is just another lame excuse for sucking at overclocking. To some extent, this applies to gaming as well, but not as much.

 

There are way more people interested in actual performance than overclock. Not only that but Zen2 promises better IPC (better OC), which is still AM4. So yeah, you'll probably like the zen2s which are going to be released around early 2019, which will basicially force intel to inovate and stop reusing same architacture over and over again.

Let's be real, overclock on a notebook is a waste of time to begin with. It will never be the same as on a desktop, due to extremely inferior power delivery and cooling. While a notebook can get 5ghz for couple of seconds before thermnal throttle and power instability kicks in, a desktop can run 5.4ghz effortless over long periods of time.

 

highly interesting. both techpowerup (power consumption data, specifically) and the revised anandtech review (overclocking/UV/power consumption data, specifically) point towards 4.6/4.7 ghz all core clocks being doable with UV tuning in my machine maybe even a tad more with an SL binned sample

in theory, yes. but in the end itll always depend not only on the equipment/hardware itself, but also the user handling it. how come so many desktop users with superior cooling arent able to squeeze out more performance out of the same chips as lots of clevo DTR users in this forum?

 

Most don't care really, that's why.
Most people purchase a 8700K with stock intel cooling.

Also the 9900K has been tested by PC Gamer, the CPU runs at its absolute limit, the adaptive voltage actually uses the lowest voltages possible, they tried to undervolt it but it failed. at 5ghz on Corsair H100I on an open testbench reached 93c after just 1 run, rendering, gaming and such would thermal throttle it.

AVX load on that CPU even at 4.7ghz the CPU reached 100c thermal throttle in a matter of seconds.

Even custom watercooling is extremely problematic.

Compare that to ryzen and we got the joke that is intel.

 

One more for you. Much more effecient. Maybe in your dreams?

https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/87...review-met-8-cores-amd-voorbij-stroomverbruik


https://www.ixbt.com/platform/intel-coffee-lake-refresh-core-i7-9700k-i9-9900k-test.html#n4


https://www.nag.co.za/2018/10/19/intel-core-i9-9900k-review/

 

That is not entirely accurate, but it often wotks out that way in practical application. If you are trying to do something amazing with the wrong laptop (which is almost all of them, since there is essentially only one with any real potential for greatness) a defective unit, or the wrong cooling, nothing great is possible. You can have a desktop with exactly the same problems as notebooks. Look no further than the crippled Alienware garbage desktops and the pre-built mass production trash desktops from Asus, MSI, etc. They're built for ignorant people and noobs just like trashbooks. Bottom line is, if you want something to be done right, you need to do it yourself.

The fact that consumers and gamer-boys don't know how to overclock and/or do not care does not mean those of us that do should compromise and drink the Kool-Aid. Mediocrity is always represented by the status quo. If a person is content with that, AMD offers cheaper alternatives.

 

I'd like a notebook with a not ****ty power delivery, watercooling and a good overall package, guess what? It doesn't exist, and building one myself would basicially mean building my own mainboard etc. At least I can have mainboards and cooling solutions that allow me to overclcok properly. You won't find a single notebook that will run stable 5.4ghz, no matter what you do to it.

 

Nor will you find many desktops built well enough to do that, or users with the knowledge to do it. It is all relative. You're generally not going to run a desktop very well that way with normal water cooling either. It will get too hot and either thermal throttle, need more voltage, or both. If you have to resort to tethering a notebook to a desk in an effort to try to run it that way, with a bunch of external add-on crap that is stationary or difficult to transport, then it becomes more of a joke or a novelty (or a geek project, which can be fun sometimes) compared to a desktop with extreme capabilities that are not hindered by form factor and poor engineering.

 

When on AC mains, I really don't care about wattage because when I want power it should deliver. I also don't want FW limiters to TDP throttle the good CPUs,
Papusan: Is it 5.1GHz on all 8 cores with non AVX2 P95?

 

I just paid a $40 gouge for the 9900K on a drop shipment company that has them "in stock and shipping monday". I got 2 day shipment since I won't be home till Wednesday but hoping it actually ships now.

 

And the vast majority of chips sold can't do 5.4 either (without voltage getting crazy anyway). Silicon Lottery have not binned a 5.4 cpu, ever, and their 5.3's and 5.2's use AVX offsets.
https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

The other things you state don't exist because of market realities. These DTR things are already a small enough niche.

Plus if the watercooling thing teased by Prema in April was going to happen in the P870, IMO it'll either happen very soon with a 9900K capable refresh, or it won't happen at all because engineers couldn't get it reliable enough and/or the thermals don't work (water is pointless without moarrad to keep the loop cool over the long term)

Being able to overclock a 4.0ghz cpu to 4.6 daily is good enough for me. From there this chip is the constraint - the power and voltage - and noise - is not worth it to go higher

One of these days I'll get around to doing a video of my project showing near silent operation, the quick disconnect setup in action, as well as unimpeded stock aircooled P870 performance. My study is disgusting resembling a cross between a long to do list and an obstacle course

But I agree with your point, the added cooling is a 360x45mm rad bolted to the side of the desk and is not portable. I've had ideas for something portable with repurposing one of the AIOs with the pump on the rad (there are a couple of ones that have been designed that way to get around the asetek integrated block/pump patent). /offtopic...

 

I strongly agree with this... nothing better than doing something perfect by your own

 

(5GHZ) I9 9900K vs (5GHZ) I7 8700K | Tested 15 Games
For Gamers
Published on Oct 20, 2018


Hardly any difference in gaming FPS between the 8700k @ 5ghz vs the 9900k @ 5ghz, except the 8700k is marginally faster in more games and runs much cooler. Notice that the 5ghz 9900k is reaching 91c gaming on a 360mm AIO cooler!

 

@Mr. Fox






Plenty 5.4ghz chips. This cannot happen on crappy notebooks, crap power delivery causing unstable voltage. And that's when we ignore the thermal issues, even if you would use your crappy P870 mainboard in a desktop rig with proper cooling, the power delivery would cause instabilities and make it impossible.There is a good reason as to why overclockers purchase OC boards and not the cheapest crap they can find.

Exacly my point. It doesn't exist, if you want to live out your overclocking dreams, then desktop is the only way, it's that simple.

Clevo with 9900K won't happen, even if modded with watercooling. If a Corshair H100 can't make it happen, a notebook with watercooling won't make it happen either.

Also looking forward to your watercooling video, I'm aware how bad the stock cooling is on the P870 series and how hard it is to make a clevo notebook cool properly.